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On October 12 2011 15:38 Wroshe wrote:
Although it is indeed generalized in essence most of the Stephano hate seems to come from posters that have a USA tag next to their name. Which quite honestly is not that surprising considering the following.
* His results up to this weekend were entirely in the Euoprean Scene which does not seem to be followed by a lot of Americans. Can't really blame them for that as it is quite hard to keep track of all the small tournaments and then the biggers ones like Assembly/DreamHack/CopenHagen Games/whatever. Compared to just MLG's every once in a while it is a lot more work to keep up.
Clearly most of the haters had a USA tag.
But I don't think the reason comes from the lack of coverage of european events. European and North americans most likely watch the same events.
It's really a matter of mentality. European will judge a player by looking at his games, whereas american needs result in a big tournament to see if a player is good.
Not knowing a player doesn't justify a bad opinion. If you don't know a player, you should try and find some of his games, and not just deem him as bad because he has few tournaments results.
Obviously, game knowlege plays an important role too. For instance, Idra has been saying from the beginning that Stephano is really good.
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On October 12 2011 16:52 LeviathanDK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 11:52 Serejai wrote:
Seems like a much bigger list than IPL3. Should be a lot of good matches coming from the open rounds. Of course, MLG is the biggest you find outside of Korea besides Blizzcon and dreamhack summer.
I'm pretty sure DH Winter is bigger than sumnmer. Just FYI.
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On October 12 2011 16:59 Wroshe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 16:48 MrSexington wrote:
I'm glad Tyler made it back into pool play.
I remember listening to one of the SC2 podcasts (not ITG or SotG, one of the smaller ones) after the last MLG. And one of the hosts said something like, "...and another one of the disappointing finishes came from Liquid Tyler."
I should have pm'd the hosts but... lazy.
Maybe I'm the only one who's been paying attention, but in the two MLGs that Tyler wasn't in pool play, he made deep runs in the Open Bracket.
The first time he made it all the way to championship Sunday, then losing in the first match.
The second time he made it one match away from championship Sunday.
You need to have long strings of victories to pull this off and he did it back-to-back MLGs so I think he definitely earned his spot back in. He's one of the players I'm rooting for to have a break out performance. While I am happy for Tyler as well that he's got his spot back I wouldn't want to say that he deserved his spot. Tyler didn't get his spot back because he did amazingly well but because there are a lot of players sitting this one out: SeleCT, NaniWa, SjoW, Socke, mOoNan and DongRaeGu have all chosen not to come and would have taken a spot over Tyler. (Listing DongRaeGu here because he's been sent by him team as well besides the invite, that is also the reason I'm not listing all the other Koreans) The fact that he made it very far in the Open twice doesn't really say much and Tyler has stated the same on SOTG after MLG Anaheim: while you have a lot of games to play they are against bad players in comparison so you should slide right through. If you can't win against the second tier of NA players then you have no right to even think about a Pool Play spot. (Note: I conveniently forget the chance here that you get bent over with the brackets and face a first time top Korean/European where you shouldn't) Now that he got lucky with the lower turnout from high seeded players he has his pool play spot back but I am afraid that it will end with a sixth place in his poule.
I know what you're saying. And I'm not saying he didn't have help "Artosising his way back into pool play."
I'm just saying as you did, "If you can't win against the second tier of NA players then you have no right to even think about a Pool Play spot." And he did win. So throw him back into pools and let's see what he can do.
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"It's really a matter of mentality. European will judge a player by looking at his games, whereas american needs result in a big tournament to see if a player is good. "
Not many people have said he isn´t good but they have said that he needs to prove that he is as good offline as online before people assume he is, which makes complete sense.
Hope White Ra makes it out of the open bracket.
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iNcontroL still has enough points for pool play?
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On October 12 2011 16:59 Velr wrote:
But well.. Some seeds are just so undeserved... It's actually hard to argue for anyone not to get a seed...
Fully agree with you that the Pool Play seeds are messed up. People that had a very good result back in Dallas (especially iNcontroL comes to mind) are still living off that result.
Now that is not MLG's fault because they didn't design the system with this in mind. In fact the system worked perfectly well until they started the GSL Exchange. Ever since that the top spots have been claimed and the most amount of ranking points you can get for ending 7th (which has pretty much ended up as the spot for the best foreigner) is 600. Good luck with 'taking a spot' as a mid tier player then when you're about 600 points behind (assuming a 200 point earner in Dallas, that is an 18th place finish) when the other guy is still earning points and the maximum you can get for an event realistically is 600.
I have a few ideas on how they could have fixed this without screwing everyone over mid-season and I think I should buy Elly the ESPORTS Elephant a calculator.  I'll make a topic after Orlando as then I can also work the results from that tournament in which gives more data to work with. Conveniently it also gives me the time I need to make a good topic as I'm kind of short on that right now, got a hard exam on Friday. 
On October 12 2011 17:10 Wockets wrote:
iNcontroL still has enough points for pool play?
Yes, he has 1190 points and 800 of those come from MLG Dallas.
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On October 12 2011 17:10 Wockets wrote:
iNcontroL still has enough points for pool play?
Do we really need to discuss about this every single time? Go and dig up the last threads and you can figure that out.
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So the koreans in the open bracket are all terrans, and good ones at that... Seems like we're in for a TvT treat on sunday :/
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Rofl @ Pool play players they seem to never change T_T
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Hmm, wasn't destiny supposed to be in the open bracket?
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its so hard to make it out the openbracket
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It hurts my soul, for obvious reasons, to see the open bracket and pool play list next to each other.
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On October 12 2011 17:08 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 16:52 LeviathanDK wrote:On October 12 2011 11:52 Serejai wrote:
Seems like a much bigger list than IPL3. Should be a lot of good matches coming from the open rounds. Of course, MLG is the biggest you find outside of Korea besides Blizzcon and dreamhack summer. I'm pretty sure DH Winter is bigger than sumnmer. Just FYI.
The only thing special about the MLG playerpool is the amount of Koreans. All else is in NO way better than any other (rather) big tournament out there...
If not for Sase/White-Ra/Stephano the open bracket wouldn't look like anything that special foreigner wise (ok, probably Demuslim). Actually.. Whiteout these 3/4 it would look really weak?
White-Ra/Stephano seem to be mainly there because IPL/Red-Bull payed their trip to the US?
There is still MASSIVE room for improvement (which should/will come next year if the hype is true) .
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PuMa, MarineKingPrime, Polt, Bomber... jesus korean terrans are looking so scary this time around, as if they weren't scary enough in previous events.
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Good grief, 9 out of the 13 Koreans are Terran, only 3 Protoss and 1 Zerg. That isn't going to be fun. Let's hope that "we" can put up enough of a fight to kick them out early to make for more interesting finals.
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Please ffs, Destiny drive to Miniguns house, put him in the boot (Trunk for you US folks).... MAKE HIM GO TO MLG!
Edit - WHITERAAAAAAAAAAA
yeaaaaahh!
Edit 2 - As enzym above me says also, lets hope we don't see too many TvT in the latter stages this time! At least one Z and P in the last 4 please please please!?
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hoped Grubby would attend aswell :<
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Open bracket is absurd as fuck lol
Unreal how stacked that is
So stacked that we might be at risk of a couple not making it to the championship bracket because they knock each other out before hand lol.
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On October 12 2011 17:30 enzym wrote:
Good grief, 9 out of the 13 Koreans are Terran, only 3 Protoss and 1 Zerg. That isn't going to be fun. Let's hope that "we" can put up enough of a fight to kick them out early to make for more interesting finals.
Well either that or hope they draw eachother early on in the open bracket. While it weaken tournament a bit from a matchup point of view it would be amazing if Polt, MarineKing and aLive would all be in the same quadrant of the bracket: that way only one of them would make pool play and only one would make it through the Lower Bracket.
I don't think we can really look at Foreigners to beat a lot of those Terrans: who do we really have that can beat Korean Terrans of that level? I think the list ends after Ret, IdrA and Stephano as PvT is currently pretty messed up and I don't think that highly of foreigner TvT.
Edit.
Also we foreigners can also be fucked the other way around. Hope we don't get Sase, Stephano and WhiteRa or DeMusliM in the same Quadrant.
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EPT
