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VoiceOfDecember
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia206 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 01:50:22
October 12 2011 01:49 GMT
#1621
Maybe the shell on the back looks like a creep tumor (highly doubt it)? Those bumps on the back of it kinda look like it, I mashed up a picture to show you what I mean:

[image loading]
lol kinda funny aye, but you get the drift. Maybe them lumps are eggs? I'd laugh if you could inject larva onto this unit like a proxy hatch or it walked around with larva on its back to reinforce pushes XD
If I keep making drones and expanding while fending off their attacks, I'm sure to win...right?
Ridiculisk
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia191 Posts
October 12 2011 02:57 GMT
#1622
Im begining to get really excited about this unit. At first I thought it would just be a Lurker, but now with all the talk of additional mutations for the roach/Hydra and an effective Zerg Siege weapon, I'm begining to hope its something new altogether, simular to the Lurker in effect/cost, but a completely new Zerg strain.

Give Zerg the ability to siege a terrans natural and see how they like it...

lol
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Fir3fly
Profile Joined May 2009
Australia251 Posts
October 12 2011 02:59 GMT
#1623
I was reading about siege units and i was thinking "well Zerg COULD have some sort of siege unit, something that burrows and maybe shoots spikes or something"

then i realized that i pretty much came up with the Lurker.


As for the Portrait, im at work so i cant draw or make annotaions ( plus im busy) but it looks like it could be a "siege tank" for zerg. im going to cry and lose hope if it is basically a reskinned siege tank.
KaRnaGe[cF]
Profile Joined September 2007
United States355 Posts
October 12 2011 03:01 GMT
#1624
I just get the feeling that this thing tucks up into a ball and rolls.
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Boisterous
Profile Joined September 2011
17 Posts
October 12 2011 03:07 GMT
#1625
I get the feeling that it is going to be some sort of early (probably t1.5) mainly anti air unit.
Nyne
Profile Joined April 2010
United States21 Posts
October 12 2011 03:19 GMT
#1626
Zerg Goliath. Heard it here first.
Play like you've got a pair.
CHOMPMannER
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada175 Posts
October 12 2011 03:29 GMT
#1627
On October 12 2011 11:57 Ridiculisk wrote:
Im begining to get really excited about this unit. At first I thought it would just be a Lurker, but now with all the talk of additional mutations for the roach/Hydra and an effective Zerg Siege weapon, I'm begining to hope its something new altogether, simular to the Lurker in effect/cost, but a completely new Zerg strain.

Give Zerg the ability to siege a terrans natural and see how they like it...

lol


There is TvT matchups you know lol
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nerak
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Brazil256 Posts
October 12 2011 03:32 GMT
#1628
Maybe this one?
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Has in common:
-Front claws
-Back claws
-Zergy mandible

Of course, Im theorizing that Blizzard changed this guy a lot since Blizzcon 2010 when HotS artwork was first revealed. He lost his agile acid-spiting tail and now has got a acid-boomer ass.
"I am smiling" - Marauder Dynamite
dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1438 Posts
October 12 2011 03:59 GMT
#1629
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153275

Thats the new unit I want.
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grappasc
Profile Joined September 2011
Belgium86 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 04:41:48
October 12 2011 04:41 GMT
#1630
On October 12 2011 05:16 sopporku wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On October 12 2011 03:18 Arisen wrote:
I'm still saying if this thing is a long range seige unit, that isn't zerg at all, and that's what this looks like. I would love a lurker, because that fits with zerg. You close in with the lurkers and trap them in with lings. It makes sense. If you can just sit back on top of these things and prevent them from killing it while it kills everything...that's terran; not zerg.


I agree.


brood war.

Terran = middle of the road for supply/units 1:2 ratio to zerg. pretty low mobility, but lots of long range to make up for that
Protoss = most supply/units 1:3-4 ratio to zergs. even with those ratios its an even fight. slightly more mobile than terran, high damage for each individual unit but less units overall.
zerg = least supply/units. builds at a 2;1 ratio to terran and 3-4:1 to protoss. most mobile race. REQUIRES lots of units to spread out the damage. zerg units all have a very slowly rising level of survivability.

SC2.

Terran. most mobile harass race. countless harass options. has Transformer units because dustin browder watches too much movies and tries to bogart SC2 to being transformers or power rangers or whatever. Viking and now the new terran unit. tanks with "smart"fire and such made tanks do LOL damage when they had as much damage as back in brood war. their damage actually had to get NERFED to below brood war standards, even though DPS has risen overall in sc2.

Protoss. kept up with their mobility, given insane map unit production calls with proxy pylons for warpgates. chrono zealots = 10 second build time compared to 2 zerglings requiring 24.

Zerg. like terran, given a "tank" unit, roach compared to marauder. Zerg roach is too strong. so roach is cut in half by 2 supply instead of being 1 supply it originally was in beta. Now zerg has half the forces. So much DPS on the field from smart fire tanks and colossus means that for a ground army, unlike brood war, there is no option for ling/hydra. its either ling festor and hope to catch his army as smaller, or corruptor roach, because only mass roach can take the damage of colossus centric armies with ground based support. and you cant buy roaches and hydra and still have supply left over for other units like you could when roaches were 1 supply. also, don't say that you need mass brood lords or ultra with corruptor roach. that shit is too expensive to get even if you're 6 base to protoss 3 base. the only way to get that is if protoss sits on his ass and lets you.

oh yeah, and then hydras move slow as shit. and then hydras cost 2 supply when air units have received huge DPS buffs over brood war air units. compare banshee to wraith. lol. 8 damage on ground with moderately slow fire rate vs 24 damage with high fire rate. VRs with charge kiting spores is another matter altogether (you kite spores by forcing uproots, attacking it some as it roots, then moving to kill other building, so shut it).

so zerg = less swarmy, slower, and less AA viability (as opposed to 1 supply hydras from brood war).



its like Dustin Browder is to Starcraft 2 what George Lucas is to the new Star Wars and the Star Wars series.

only die hard fan boys are not vomiting in rage at this travesty of a "competitve game".

look at the formula.

They gave a 'tank" unit to each race, immortal, roach, marauder. Just like WoW. Its becoming formulaic. blizzard hasn't had a single original idea since the end of brood war.

I think you're making a lot of good points, but you're being too harsh towards blizzard. the roach is a perfect example of this: it was 1 food as you said, a swarming unit. I personally think a swarming army or zerglings and roaches is cooler than a swarming army of zerglings and hydralisks, so I don't mind the original attempt they made, but when they tried to balance it out they failed with it. they couldn't make it what they wanted it to be and it ended up like the zerg stalker or the zerg marauder. the same happened to immortal. remember the demos they made about these units? immortal was this super cool tanking unit that leads the way and kills tanks. the cool thing about it was the shield, but the game didn't end up something where that matters as much as they would've liked. I don't think people look at it and see shields and how to abuse shields - they look at it and think DPS. I don't think they're really lacking ideas, it's just that most of them failed in practice.

a list of stuff that to me don't seem like they became what they wanted at all:
marauder, reaper, thor, roach, hydra, corruptor, immortal
and the list could continue, but these are lacking the original flavor or the concept messes with the game or the unit is messed with by the game in a big way. ( examples in order: roach, marauder, thor)

they need to balance it while people are playing it competitively and it's such a mess the only solution seems to be to just abandon a lot of the cool concepts, balance the numbers and rework a huge chunk of it in the next expansion, hots.

a lot of people would wonder why would blizz remove units, and the answer is not only that they don't like having too many units, but also because some of their creations straight up failed.

I think blizzard & dustin browder got this. hots is going to be great. they said the units are revealed in campaign order, which I interpret tier 1 first, because usually tier 1 is what you learn first in campaigns. so I'm expecting there to be more than just 1 unit per race, and I'm hopeful that either the roach is fixed in hots or this unit will replace it - even though when I look at it I can't fully understand how the silhouette is formed and I can't make up my mind whether it has a huge ass because it's a caster unit or because it's highly armored. whatever it is, browder & the bunch have a lot more knowledge about making a game like this now, and I think in order to hype their next product they're saving stuff for hots. what I'm looking forward to the most is a better bnet.

PS. I know. when I say "what they would've liked" I'm making some assumptions. I just think in most cases it's quite evident looking at the initial concepts in their demos and comparing them to the finished product. despite all of this, I think the game works perfectly fine as a competitive game, which is their priority, and they didn't fail that.

PPS. yeah, if I'm wrong there's possibly going to be a lot to be disappointed with, but I'm hopeful.
SojuTerran
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada16 Posts
October 12 2011 04:46 GMT
#1631
It's a LURKER no doubt
Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
October 12 2011 05:40 GMT
#1632
Hey guys its already been released and it look like its some kind of burrowed siege unit.
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SiffStarcraft
Profile Joined May 2011
United States45 Posts
October 12 2011 05:45 GMT
#1633
Zerg siege unit... not unlike the Starship troopers ass-cannon -infestor-like things.
demonik187
Profile Joined August 2010
United States575 Posts
October 12 2011 05:47 GMT
#1634
On October 12 2011 14:40 Deekin[ wrote:
Hey guys its already been released and it look like its some kind of burrowed siege unit.


Source?
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Ganseng
Profile Joined July 2011
Russian Federation473 Posts
October 12 2011 06:36 GMT
#1635
people it's never going to be a siege unit. it doesn't conform to the zerg style and it overlaps with BL/infestor.
Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
October 12 2011 06:43 GMT
#1636
burrowing siege unit
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
October 12 2011 06:47 GMT
#1637
On October 12 2011 15:36 Ganseng wrote:
people it's never going to be a siege unit. it doesn't conform to the zerg style and it overlaps with BL/infestor.


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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 12 2011 06:49 GMT
#1638
On October 12 2011 09:56 CeriseCherries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 08:27 dan1mal wrote:
is it just me or does it look exactly like this:

Oh please, what I wouldn't have to have a bunker unit. Now we can have 2 bunker changes every patch to be extra happy

This seems pretty likely.
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LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
October 12 2011 06:55 GMT
#1639
On October 12 2011 15:49 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 09:56 CeriseCherries wrote:
On October 12 2011 08:27 dan1mal wrote:
is it just me or does it look exactly like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHdRgkUdQCc&feature=related

Oh please, what I wouldn't have to have a bunker unit. Now we can have 2 bunker changes every patch to be extra happy

This seems pretty likely.


hah wow ill actually give it to blizzard on that one if its true, thats pretty sexy :D
JD, need I say more? :D
Ganseng
Profile Joined July 2011
Russian Federation473 Posts
October 12 2011 07:05 GMT
#1640
On October 12 2011 15:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 15:36 Ganseng wrote:
people it's never going to be a siege unit. it doesn't conform to the zerg style and it overlaps with BL/infestor.


guardians and lurkers existed in BW

infestors and BLs exist in WoL.
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