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Hello TeamLiquid.
Recently, there was an application posted here by a person named Xanbatou. He created an application for Zerg users to help get the timings down for larva injects. (Original thread: Here)
I offered him some input on a method that would make the program more efficient for the user, but he declined it. So I decided to make my own application that uses this more efficient method. I've also extended the functionality to Terran and Protoss aswell.
The purpose of this application is to help people become more comfortable with the timings of the various macro mechanics of each race (spawn larva, chrono boost and the MULE.) This is NOT meant to be a permanent replacement for knowing the timings. It is merely a method to make the beginner user more aware of the correct timings.
Please note, all this application does is enhance the default notification system that Blizzard uses in the game to make it more apparent, as well as giving an auditory notification.
Screenshot explaining what it does, and how it differs from the default system:
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If you have any comments/suggestions, feel free to post them in this thread or send me a PM. Please try to keep the "zomg this is cheating and should be banned" discussion out of this thread. There is nothing in this program that is against the terms of service. It does not interact with the SC2 client in any way. If you feel that this is cheating, then you should take it up with Blizzard and demand that they remove their in-game notifications aswell, because it is essentially the same thing.
Changelog:
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* Added a configuration GUI, accessed by either double-clicking the icon in the system tray, or right clicking it and going to "Options"
Current Version: v001 (Last updated: 05/10/2011 6:45PM GMT-5)
Download link: Here
![[image loading]](http://24.109.37.163/files/getfilestats.php?filename=SC2Helper_v001.exe)
Old Versions:
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Virus scan results: Here
Hashes:
MD5: bb2a1df6088fffdd00d193a014c3e184
SHA1: 96c101f203f03e6196f016e9987d0433f347253e
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I understand that these sound good in theory but from my own experiences, this would train me to react to the app and I would be better of learning it naturally.
It may be different for other people but I think this would do players more harm in the long run than help them. Also, it does feel like it is cheating to an extent.
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i dont think you need that for mules or chronoboost
also it gets really difficult with the larva thing once it gets to more and more bases
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On October 06 2011 04:13 ODKStevez wrote:
Edit: Also the link doesn't work. It also triggured my virus scan. -.-
If the link doesn't work how'd it trigger your virus scan? o_O
What about it triggered a virus scan?
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On October 06 2011 04:19 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 04:13 ODKStevez wrote:
Edit: Also the link doesn't work. It also triggured my virus scan. -.- If the link doesn't work how'd it trigger your virus scan? o_O What about it triggered a virus scan?
I edited my post above.
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On October 06 2011 04:13 ODKStevez wrote:
Edit: Also the link doesn't work. It also triggured my virus scan. -.-
After downloading this file, my avg virus scan picked up a direct keylogger (I cannot confirm if it is related to this file). I strong advise caution when downloading this file.
When I downloaded it and selected "Run" my ie closed and sc2 opened. After that nothing else happened and my avg then triggured.
I'm scanning the file with jotti right now to make sure this isn't the case, so far no scan has found anything. I assure you this is no key logger, so I'm not sure what would make AVG thing that. Also about your starcraft opening, that is a side effect of the method I used to ensure that if you accidentally clicked the app while playing it wouldn't interfere. It shouldn't "open" your starcraft, it should bring it to the foreground though. (Also it shouldn't close IE, I have a feeling that was your virus scanner that did that)
Edit: Jotti says nothing found at all, I've added the link to the scan in the main post. Make sure the MD5/SHA1 hash of the file is the same as what I edited into the OP, or what jotti says.
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Yes it just tabbed my current window back to the Starcraft window, avg seems to be screwing with me, sorry about this, i'll re edit my frst post so I don't scare off any potential downloaders for your app.
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--------- LINK SCAN SUMMARY ---------
URL scanned: http://24.109.37.163/files/getfile.php?file=SC2Helper.exe
PhisTank say's: Service not available.
AVG say's: Service not available.
SiteTruth say's: This site is safe.
Google Safe Browsing say's: This site is safe.
Threat Name: No Threat FOUND
Threat Definitions: 1048830
Engine Version: 0.97.2
Host IP: 24.109.37.163
Link Status: Clean
File Size: 75 Bytes
Time Finished: 5 secs
Overall result: This site is secure.
Well the file is certainly clean I believe.
I don't understand, what does it do it actually do? Would be useful if you could make a youtube video or just explain what it does rather than saying it's there to help.
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On October 06 2011 04:27 ODKStevez wrote:
Yes it just tabbed my current window back to the Starcraft window, avg seems to be screwing with me, sorry about this, i'll re edit my frst post so I don't scare off any potential downloaders for your app.
It's fine, you did scare me for a second there, though  It's always better to err on the side of caution, though 
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I'm aganist this. Acording to blizzard using this kind of aplications is cheating. I do not care if they ban people using this or not, but in a strategy game, when propper responses and reactions are suposed to be rewarded, this is cheating. Just my opinion.
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On October 06 2011 04:28 eYeball wrote:--------- LINK SCAN SUMMARY --------- URL scanned: http://24.109.37.163/files/getfile.php?file=SC2Helper.exePhisTank say's: Service not available. AVG say's: Service not available. SiteTruth say's: This site is safe. Google Safe Browsing say's: This site is safe. Threat Name: No Threat FOUND Threat Definitions: 1048830 Engine Version: 0.97.2 Host IP: 24.109.37.163 Link Status: Clean File Size: 75 Bytes Time Finished: 5 secs Overall result: This site is secure. Well the file is certainly clean I believe. I don't understand, what does it do it actually do? Would be useful if you could make a youtube video or just explain what it does rather than saying it's there to help.
I'll edit the OP to try and explain what it does, and try my best to provide a screenshot capturing what it does.
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On October 06 2011 04:29 Belha wrote:
I'm aganist this. Acording to blizzard using this kind of aplications is cheating. I do not care if they ban people using this or not, but in a strategy game, when propper responses and reactions are suposed to be rewarded, this is cheating. Just my opinion.
Did you read the OP? He said to keep posts like this out of the thread.
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On October 06 2011 04:29 Belha wrote:
I'm aganist this. Acording to blizzard using this kind of aplications is cheating. I do not care if they ban people using this or not, but in a strategy game, when propper responses and reactions are suposed to be rewarded, this is cheating. Just my opinion.
Like I've already said, this doesn't do anything that isn't already in the game. If you don't like it, talk to Blizzard.
Edit: The OP is edited with a screenshot explaining what it does
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Hey I downloaded this just to see exactly how it worked but how do you turn it off or uninstall? It doesn't come up anywhere.
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On October 06 2011 04:57 ODKStevez wrote:
Hey I downloaded this just to see exactly how it worked but how do you turn it off or uninstall? It doesn't come up anywhere.
Just close starcraft and it'll close. To uninstall just delete the exe you downloaded
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Technically cheating. Won't get caught, but its definitely against the terms of use agreement. Just sayin.
I'm all for people contributing to the community, but I feel this is borderline shouldnt-be-allowed on TL stuff.
It is of questionable-at-best 'training' value (I would personally say zero training value-- if you want to get better as a player, learn your timings, don't rely on an artificial crutch), but it potentially gives you an artificial, non-skill-based advantage over an opponent who doesn't use it, while at the same time violating terms of use. I don't know why these threads are tolerated.
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On October 06 2011 05:00 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 04:57 ODKStevez wrote:
Hey I downloaded this just to see exactly how it worked but how do you turn it off or uninstall? It doesn't come up anywhere. Just close starcraft and it'll close. To uninstall just delete the exe you downloaded
I have no idea where it went to and I closed sc2 and rebooted my computer but it won't go away =[
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On October 06 2011 05:05 ODKStevez wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:00 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 04:57 ODKStevez wrote:
Hey I downloaded this just to see exactly how it worked but how do you turn it off or uninstall? It doesn't come up anywhere. Just close starcraft and it'll close. To uninstall just delete the exe you downloaded I have no idea where it went to and I closed sc2 and rebooted my computer but it won't go away =[
It's still showing up in-game? o_O
On October 06 2011 05:01 caradoc wrote:
Technically cheating. Won't get caught, but its definitely against the terms of use agreement. Just sayin.
Link to the section in the terms of use that this violates. Hint: There is none. Just sayin'.
Also as an FYI: Blizzard provides these notifications to developers without having to hook any kind of API. Do a little research before you try and accuse it of being against the terms of service.
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On October 06 2011 05:09 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:05 ODKStevez wrote:On October 06 2011 05:00 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 04:57 ODKStevez wrote:
Hey I downloaded this just to see exactly how it worked but how do you turn it off or uninstall? It doesn't come up anywhere. Just close starcraft and it'll close. To uninstall just delete the exe you downloaded I have no idea where it went to and I closed sc2 and rebooted my computer but it won't go away =[ It's still showing up in-game? o_O Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:01 caradoc wrote:
Technically cheating. Won't get caught, but its definitely against the terms of use agreement. Just sayin. Link to the section in the terms of use that this violates. Hint: There is none. Just sayin'.
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.html
Section 2.b.:
Additional License Limitations.
The license granted to you in Section 1 above is subject to the limitations set forth in Sections 1 and 2 (collectively, the “License Limitations”). Any use of the Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard’s copyrights in and to the Game. You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
B. Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game experience, including without limitation, mods that violate the terms of this License Agreement or the Terms of Use;
OP writes that:
On October 06 2011 04:10 Okiesmokie wrote:
It does not interact with the SC2 client in any way.
This is correct-- interacting with the SC2 client would be a violation of 2.D which states that you will not, under any circumstances:
Use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information; provided, however, that Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces;
But this is in general not important as it is still in violation of 2.B.
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On October 06 2011 05:10 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:09 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:05 ODKStevez wrote:On October 06 2011 05:00 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 04:57 ODKStevez wrote:
Hey I downloaded this just to see exactly how it worked but how do you turn it off or uninstall? It doesn't come up anywhere. Just close starcraft and it'll close. To uninstall just delete the exe you downloaded I have no idea where it went to and I closed sc2 and rebooted my computer but it won't go away =[ It's still showing up in-game? o_O On October 06 2011 05:01 caradoc wrote:
Technically cheating. Won't get caught, but its definitely against the terms of use agreement. Just sayin. Link to the section in the terms of use that this violates. Hint: There is none. Just sayin'. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.htmlSection 2.b.: Show nested quote +
Additional License Limitations.
The license granted to you in Section 1 above is subject to the limitations set forth in Sections 1 and 2 (collectively, the “License Limitations”). Any use of the Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard’s copyrights in and to the Game. You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
B. Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game experience, including without limitation, mods that violate the terms of this License Agreement or the Terms of Use;
Keyword is unauthorized. Read my post.
Edit: It also doesn't modify anything, so what you quoted is wrong on two fronts.
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On October 06 2011 05:13 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:10 caradoc wrote:On October 06 2011 05:09 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:05 ODKStevez wrote:On October 06 2011 05:00 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 04:57 ODKStevez wrote:
Hey I downloaded this just to see exactly how it worked but how do you turn it off or uninstall? It doesn't come up anywhere. Just close starcraft and it'll close. To uninstall just delete the exe you downloaded I have no idea where it went to and I closed sc2 and rebooted my computer but it won't go away =[ It's still showing up in-game? o_O On October 06 2011 05:01 caradoc wrote:
Technically cheating. Won't get caught, but its definitely against the terms of use agreement. Just sayin. Link to the section in the terms of use that this violates. Hint: There is none. Just sayin'. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.htmlSection 2.b.:
Additional License Limitations.
The license granted to you in Section 1 above is subject to the limitations set forth in Sections 1 and 2 (collectively, the “License Limitations”). Any use of the Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard’s copyrights in and to the Game. You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
B. Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game experience, including without limitation, mods that violate the terms of this License Agreement or the Terms of Use;
Keyword is unauthorized. Read my post.
authorized is generally understood to mean 'with authorization', meaning consent from Blizzard, which has not been given, or referenced in your post.
You are correct that this does not violate 2.D, but it is clearly violating 2.B.
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On October 06 2011 05:14 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:13 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:10 caradoc wrote:On October 06 2011 05:09 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:05 ODKStevez wrote:On October 06 2011 05:00 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 04:57 ODKStevez wrote:
Hey I downloaded this just to see exactly how it worked but how do you turn it off or uninstall? It doesn't come up anywhere. Just close starcraft and it'll close. To uninstall just delete the exe you downloaded I have no idea where it went to and I closed sc2 and rebooted my computer but it won't go away =[ It's still showing up in-game? o_O On October 06 2011 05:01 caradoc wrote:
Technically cheating. Won't get caught, but its definitely against the terms of use agreement. Just sayin. Link to the section in the terms of use that this violates. Hint: There is none. Just sayin'. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.htmlSection 2.b.:
Additional License Limitations.
The license granted to you in Section 1 above is subject to the limitations set forth in Sections 1 and 2 (collectively, the “License Limitations”). Any use of the Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard’s copyrights in and to the Game. You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
B. Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game experience, including without limitation, mods that violate the terms of this License Agreement or the Terms of Use;
Keyword is unauthorized. Read my post. authorized is generally understood to mean 'with authorization', meaning consent from Blizzard, which has not been given, or referenced in your post. You are correct that this does not violate 2.D, but it is clearly violating 2.B.
You are incorrect. If Blizzard provides methods for developers to use in applications, they are giving authorization for those applications to use those methods. There is nothing in that clause that requires written conscent. Why do you keep replying without reading?
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Yes it is still showing up, I can't get rid of it.
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On October 06 2011 05:18 ODKStevez wrote:
Yes it is still showing up, I can't get rid of it.
Did you save it into your startup folder or something? There's no reason why it should be running, especially after restarting your computer.
Open your task manager, go to processes, right click on "SC2Helper.exe" and click "Open File Location." End the process, and then delete it from the window that opens.
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On October 06 2011 05:18 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:14 caradoc wrote:On October 06 2011 05:13 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:10 caradoc wrote:On October 06 2011 05:09 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:05 ODKStevez wrote:On October 06 2011 05:00 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 04:57 ODKStevez wrote:
Hey I downloaded this just to see exactly how it worked but how do you turn it off or uninstall? It doesn't come up anywhere. Just close starcraft and it'll close. To uninstall just delete the exe you downloaded I have no idea where it went to and I closed sc2 and rebooted my computer but it won't go away =[ It's still showing up in-game? o_O On October 06 2011 05:01 caradoc wrote:
Technically cheating. Won't get caught, but its definitely against the terms of use agreement. Just sayin. Link to the section in the terms of use that this violates. Hint: There is none. Just sayin'. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.htmlSection 2.b.:
Additional License Limitations.
The license granted to you in Section 1 above is subject to the limitations set forth in Sections 1 and 2 (collectively, the “License Limitations”). Any use of the Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard’s copyrights in and to the Game. You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
B. Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game experience, including without limitation, mods that violate the terms of this License Agreement or the Terms of Use;
Keyword is unauthorized. Read my post. authorized is generally understood to mean 'with authorization', meaning consent from Blizzard, which has not been given, or referenced in your post. You are correct that this does not violate 2.D, but it is clearly violating 2.B. You are incorrect. If Blizzard provides methods for developers to use in applications, they are giving authorization for those applications to use those methods. There is nothing in that clause that requires written conscent. Why do you keep replying without reading?
Implied consent does not equate to explicit consent, i.e. it is by definition unauthorized if it is not explicitly authorized. A prior-authorization clause in a license agreement such as this specifically allows a company to take action against things done without written consent.
This is similar to mouse/keyboard macros, which are illegal, but do not interact with the game client either.
You also say nothing in your OP about 'methods for developers to use'. I see you edited one of your responses on the previous page to say that blizzard provides notifications to developers, but similar apps have been declared unauthorized before, even ones with less impact on game experience.
I'm also nervous about how the OP goes to such lengths to state that its clean and virus free, but people are having trouble removing it, and it's triggering keylogger alerts on antivirus scanners.
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On October 06 2011 05:20 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:18 ODKStevez wrote:
Yes it is still showing up, I can't get rid of it.
Did you save it into your startup folder or something? There's no reason why it should be running, especially after restarting your computer. Open your task manager, go to processes, right click on "SC2Helper.exe" and click "Open File Location." End the process, and then delete it from the window that opens.
I selected "Run" on the download option. Nothing is saved to my drive. I restarted again and i'll check if it works ^^
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On October 06 2011 05:22 caradoc wrote:
Implied consent does not equate to explicit consent, i.e. it is not authorized. A prior-authorization clause in a license agreement such as this specifically allows a company to take action against things done without written consent.
It would allow them, yes, but will they? No, because of the implied consent. Just because there is a catch-all clause that would allow them to prosecute programs that are technically legal, but obviously malicious, doesn't mean that they will prosecute programs that are not.
There are a lot of programs that people use on a daily basis that are also riding on the implied consent, but are not malicious in any way. Stream programs modify your game experience by having people able to chat with you about a game you are playing. Overlay programs that hide replay bars are also modifying your game experience. SC2Gears actually datamines and provides APM Alerts while in game, why hasn't that been scrutinized? The list goes on.
On October 06 2011 05:22 caradoc wrote:This is similar to mouse macros, which are illegal, but do not interact with the game client either.
Mouse macros fall under automation, which is why they specifically say that in that clause. That has nothing to do with the "authorized programs" portion.
On October 06 2011 05:22 caradoc wrote:You also say nothing in your OP about 'methods for developers to use'.
Actually I do, and if you did any research at all you would be able to find the post in the thread I linked that provided the code to the author of the original program.
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On October 06 2011 05:22 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:18 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:14 caradoc wrote:On October 06 2011 05:13 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:10 caradoc wrote:On October 06 2011 05:09 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:05 ODKStevez wrote:On October 06 2011 05:00 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 04:57 ODKStevez wrote:
Hey I downloaded this just to see exactly how it worked but how do you turn it off or uninstall? It doesn't come up anywhere. Just close starcraft and it'll close. To uninstall just delete the exe you downloaded I have no idea where it went to and I closed sc2 and rebooted my computer but it won't go away =[ It's still showing up in-game? o_O On October 06 2011 05:01 caradoc wrote:
Technically cheating. Won't get caught, but its definitely against the terms of use agreement. Just sayin. Link to the section in the terms of use that this violates. Hint: There is none. Just sayin'. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.htmlSection 2.b.:
Additional License Limitations.
The license granted to you in Section 1 above is subject to the limitations set forth in Sections 1 and 2 (collectively, the “License Limitations”). Any use of the Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard’s copyrights in and to the Game. You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
B. Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game experience, including without limitation, mods that violate the terms of this License Agreement or the Terms of Use;
Keyword is unauthorized. Read my post. authorized is generally understood to mean 'with authorization', meaning consent from Blizzard, which has not been given, or referenced in your post. You are correct that this does not violate 2.D, but it is clearly violating 2.B. You are incorrect. If Blizzard provides methods for developers to use in applications, they are giving authorization for those applications to use those methods. There is nothing in that clause that requires written conscent. Why do you keep replying without reading? Implied consent does not equate to explicit consent, i.e. it is by definition unauthorized if it is not explicitly authorized. A prior-authorization clause in a license agreement such as this specifically allows a company to take action against things done without written consent. This is similar to mouse/keyboard macros, which are illegal, but do not interact with the game client either. You also say nothing in your OP about 'methods for developers to use'. I'm also nervous about how the OP goes to such lengths to state that its clean and virus free, but people are having trouble removing it.
TBH, you're summing up every single reason that i won't be getting it. I'm a little concerned that everyone's having such a difficult time getting rid of it / making sure it's clean, and i, like you, don't believe that it doesn't violate TOS.
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On October 06 2011 05:30 ODKStevez wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:20 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:18 ODKStevez wrote:
Yes it is still showing up, I can't get rid of it.
Did you save it into your startup folder or something? There's no reason why it should be running, especially after restarting your computer. Open your task manager, go to processes, right click on "SC2Helper.exe" and click "Open File Location." End the process, and then delete it from the window that opens. I selected "Run" on the download option. Nothing is saved to my drive. I restarted again and i'll check if it works ^^
Contrary to popular belief, selecting "Run" still saves it to your hard drive. The only difference is that it is saved into your temp file as opposed to a location you provide.
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On October 06 2011 05:30 reneg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:22 caradoc wrote:On October 06 2011 05:18 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:14 caradoc wrote:On October 06 2011 05:13 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:10 caradoc wrote:On October 06 2011 05:09 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:05 ODKStevez wrote:On October 06 2011 05:00 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 04:57 ODKStevez wrote:
Hey I downloaded this just to see exactly how it worked but how do you turn it off or uninstall? It doesn't come up anywhere. Just close starcraft and it'll close. To uninstall just delete the exe you downloaded I have no idea where it went to and I closed sc2 and rebooted my computer but it won't go away =[ It's still showing up in-game? o_O On October 06 2011 05:01 caradoc wrote:
Technically cheating. Won't get caught, but its definitely against the terms of use agreement. Just sayin. Link to the section in the terms of use that this violates. Hint: There is none. Just sayin'. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.htmlSection 2.b.:
Additional License Limitations.
The license granted to you in Section 1 above is subject to the limitations set forth in Sections 1 and 2 (collectively, the “License Limitations”). Any use of the Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard’s copyrights in and to the Game. You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
B. Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game experience, including without limitation, mods that violate the terms of this License Agreement or the Terms of Use;
Keyword is unauthorized. Read my post. authorized is generally understood to mean 'with authorization', meaning consent from Blizzard, which has not been given, or referenced in your post. You are correct that this does not violate 2.D, but it is clearly violating 2.B. You are incorrect. If Blizzard provides methods for developers to use in applications, they are giving authorization for those applications to use those methods. There is nothing in that clause that requires written conscent. Why do you keep replying without reading? Implied consent does not equate to explicit consent, i.e. it is by definition unauthorized if it is not explicitly authorized. A prior-authorization clause in a license agreement such as this specifically allows a company to take action against things done without written consent. This is similar to mouse/keyboard macros, which are illegal, but do not interact with the game client either. You also say nothing in your OP about 'methods for developers to use'. I'm also nervous about how the OP goes to such lengths to state that its clean and virus free, but people are having trouble removing it. TBH, you're summing up every single reason that i won't be getting it. I'm a little concerned that everyone's having such a difficult time getting rid of it / making sure it's clean, and i, like you, don't believe that it doesn't violate TOS.
One person is everyone?
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This is quite a joke, a zerg who starts injecting properly will go up like 2 leagues, while he's still the same bad player he was without using these cheats. I hope someone complains about this to blizz and they explicitly forbid it or start banning people.
Meanwhile, hf cheating.
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On October 06 2011 05:30 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:22 caradoc wrote:
Implied consent does not equate to explicit consent, i.e. it is not authorized. A prior-authorization clause in a license agreement such as this specifically allows a company to take action against things done without written consent. It would allow them, yes, but will they? No
You're probably right, my concern is not whether you make and use this program and whether or not Blizzard will take action. Rather it is with the existence of this thread on TL.
Essentially its promoting cheating, and again, though a separate issue, I'm nervous about whether this program has a keylogger on it.
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On October 06 2011 05:44 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:30 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:22 caradoc wrote:
Implied consent does not equate to explicit consent, i.e. it is not authorized. A prior-authorization clause in a license agreement such as this specifically allows a company to take action against things done without written consent. It would allow them, yes, but will they? No You're probably right, my concern is not whether you make and use this program and whether or not Blizzard will take action. Rather it is with the existence of this thread on TL. Essentially its promoting cheating, and again, though a separate issue, I'm nervous about whether this program has a keylogger on it.
Like I've said a hundred times, this program doesn't add anything that isn't already in the game. If you think it's morally cheating, don't use it. There is no reason that you need to come around preaching your cause. If a moderator doesn't like it, they can remove it. You are not a moderator.
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I'm not sure if you've tested it, OP, But the flashing and the sound last for a ridiculously long time, by the time it stops flashing and buzzing its nearly time to inject again.
Thanks for a great app!
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Would love to see the option to customise the length of the the sounds play for... its rather long as it is.
Or even just upload a couple of versions with pre defined alert lengths?
5-10 seconds is waay too much for me, 0.5-2 is more than enough.
Thanks
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On October 06 2011 05:48 Astevio wrote:
I'm not sure if you've tested it, OP, But the flashing and the sound last for a ridiculously long time, by the time it stops flashing and buzzing its nearly time to inject again.
Thanks for a great app!
Hmm, it should only last as long as the standard notification. I could shorten it if you'd like, though. How long do you think it should last?
On October 06 2011 05:52 Zergleaf wrote:
Would love to see the option to customise the length of the the sounds play for... its rather long as it is.
Or even just upload a couple of versions with pre defined alert lengths?
5-10 seconds is waay too much for me, 0.5-2 is more than enough.
Thanks
This is a good idea, I'll work on adding a configuration interface to it.
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As a zerg player, this feels retarded. How can you really even think this is something Blizzard would be okay with? I don't understand. It clearly makes it FAR easier to hit an EXTREMELY important timing for zergs and that will make you win against players you would never have beaten without this program.
Like Caradoc said, you're promoting cheating on an extremely blatant level and that's not cool. Whether or not Blizzard will actually take action against it is completely not the point - the point is that they COULD, legally, and that part of the TOS was put there for a reason. If you're violating the TOS you probably shouldn't have a TL thread about it, whether or not you actually get in trouble for it.
Nothing about this mod is beneficial to the game. Learn to play the game like it was made like everyone else.
EDIT: Also:
Like I've said a hundred times, this program doesn't add anything that isn't already in the game.
Yes it does. The notifications that are already there are clumped with all the other notifications the game sends you. Finish zergling speed? Larva popped? You just made fifty zerglings? All those come up in the same place. Setting the most important one of them apart and giving it its own separate notification system is totally adding something to the game. I don't see how you can possibly say otherwise.
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On October 06 2011 05:52 Zergleaf wrote:
Would love to see the option to customise the length of the the sounds play for... its rather long as it is.
Or even just upload a couple of versions with pre defined alert lengths?
5-10 seconds is waay too much for me, 0.5-2 is more than enough.
Thanks
Zergleaf: profile created 5 minutes ago
On October 06 2011 05:48 Astevio wrote:
I'm not sure if you've tested it, OP, But the flashing and the sound last for a ridiculously long time, by the time it stops flashing and buzzing its nearly time to inject again.
Thanks for a great app!
Astevio: 3 posts, the other two in the thread that the OP referenced.
Both posting consecutively after OP replies?
On October 06 2011 05:53 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:48 Astevio wrote:
I'm not sure if you've tested it, OP, But the flashing and the sound last for a ridiculously long time, by the time it stops flashing and buzzing its nearly time to inject again.
Thanks for a great app! Hmm, it should only last as long as the standard notification. I could shorten it if you'd like, though. How long do you think it should last? Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:52 Zergleaf wrote:
Would love to see the option to customise the length of the the sounds play for... its rather long as it is.
Or even just upload a couple of versions with pre defined alert lengths?
5-10 seconds is waay too much for me, 0.5-2 is more than enough.
Thanks This is a good idea, I'll work on adding a configuration interface to it.
and then both getting quoted by OP immediately?
fishy.
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On October 06 2011 05:55 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:52 Zergleaf wrote:
Would love to see the option to customise the length of the the sounds play for... its rather long as it is.
Or even just upload a couple of versions with pre defined alert lengths?
5-10 seconds is waay too much for me, 0.5-2 is more than enough.
Thanks profile created 5 minutes ago Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:48 Astevio wrote:
I'm not sure if you've tested it, OP, But the flashing and the sound last for a ridiculously long time, by the time it stops flashing and buzzing its nearly time to inject again.
Thanks for a great app! 3 posts, all in related threads Both posting consecutively after OP replies? fishy.
I created an account because there was something that i deemed useful on TL, and i wanted to give my (negative) feedback.
If you think that's fishy then i'd not be surprised to find out that you already wear tinfoil hats.
I'm sure the mods on this site can check the IP's of me and OP..
derp.
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On October 06 2011 05:54 Cyx. wrote:
As a zerg player, this feels retarded. How can you really even think this is something Blizzard would be okay with? I don't understand. It clearly makes it FAR easier to hit an EXTREMELY important timing for zergs and that will make you win against players you would never have beaten without this program.
Like Caradoc said, you're promoting cheating on an extremely blatant level and that's not cool. Whether or not Blizzard will actually take action against it is completely not the point - the point is that they COULD, legally, and that part of the TOS was put there for a reason. If you're violating the TOS you probably shouldn't have a TL thread about it, whether or not you actually get in trouble for it.
Nothing about this mod is beneficial to the game. Learn to play the game like it was made like everyone else.
EDIT: Also:
[quote="Okiesmokie"]Like I've said a hundred times, this program doesn't add anything that isn't already in the game.
Yes it does. The notifications that are already there are clumped with all the other notifications the game sends you. Finish zergling speed? Larva popped? You just made fifty zerglings? All those come up in the same place. Setting the most important one of them apart and giving it its own separate notification system is totally adding something to the game. I don't see how you can possibly say otherwise.[/QUOTE]
3rd party/independent = different things.
He can say otherwise because it's simply not true.
it adds nothing to the game, it is separate from it on every level. You are wasting your energy on hating a concept rather than learning to understand it's uses.
Better go down to the music store and harass the manager for selling metronomes too.
I used a much more primitive version of a timer when i first started sc2 back in the beta, after around 2-3 hours you get a very very tight inner clock for it.
And for players already good? (im in masters so im still shit) It will come as a complete shock to you when you are busy multitasking and you hear the beep and think "oh shit, i would have totally missed that"
And you know what that is? It's realisation of weakness and live feedback... the easiest and most efficient ways to learn.
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On October 06 2011 05:56 Zergleaf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:55 caradoc wrote:On October 06 2011 05:52 Zergleaf wrote:
Would love to see the option to customise the length of the the sounds play for... its rather long as it is.
Or even just upload a couple of versions with pre defined alert lengths?
5-10 seconds is waay too much for me, 0.5-2 is more than enough.
Thanks profile created 5 minutes ago On October 06 2011 05:48 Astevio wrote:
I'm not sure if you've tested it, OP, But the flashing and the sound last for a ridiculously long time, by the time it stops flashing and buzzing its nearly time to inject again.
Thanks for a great app! 3 posts, all in related threads Both posting consecutively after OP replies? fishy. I created an account because there was something that i deemed useful on TL, and i wanted to give my (negative) feedback. If you think that's fishy then i'd not be surprised to find out that you already wear tinfoil hats. I'm sure the mods on this site can check the IP's of me and OP.. derp.
yeah, fair enough, you don't capitalize your 'i' and the OP does
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On October 06 2011 06:00 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:56 Zergleaf wrote:On October 06 2011 05:55 caradoc wrote:On October 06 2011 05:52 Zergleaf wrote:
Would love to see the option to customise the length of the the sounds play for... its rather long as it is.
Or even just upload a couple of versions with pre defined alert lengths?
5-10 seconds is waay too much for me, 0.5-2 is more than enough.
Thanks profile created 5 minutes ago On October 06 2011 05:48 Astevio wrote:
I'm not sure if you've tested it, OP, But the flashing and the sound last for a ridiculously long time, by the time it stops flashing and buzzing its nearly time to inject again.
Thanks for a great app! 3 posts, all in related threads Both posting consecutively after OP replies? fishy. I created an account because there was something that i deemed useful on TL, and i wanted to give my (negative) feedback. If you think that's fishy then i'd not be surprised to find out that you already wear tinfoil hats. I'm sure the mods on this site can check the IP's of me and OP.. derp. yeah, fair enough, you don't capitalize your 'i' and the OP does
double bluff.
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On October 06 2011 05:55 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:52 Zergleaf wrote:
Would love to see the option to customise the length of the the sounds play for... its rather long as it is.
Or even just upload a couple of versions with pre defined alert lengths?
5-10 seconds is waay too much for me, 0.5-2 is more than enough.
Thanks Zergleaf: profile created 5 minutes ago Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:48 Astevio wrote:
I'm not sure if you've tested it, OP, But the flashing and the sound last for a ridiculously long time, by the time it stops flashing and buzzing its nearly time to inject again.
Thanks for a great app! Astevio: 3 posts, the other two in the thread that the OP referenced. Both posting consecutively after OP replies? Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:53 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:48 Astevio wrote:
I'm not sure if you've tested it, OP, But the flashing and the sound last for a ridiculously long time, by the time it stops flashing and buzzing its nearly time to inject again.
Thanks for a great app! Hmm, it should only last as long as the standard notification. I could shorten it if you'd like, though. How long do you think it should last? On October 06 2011 05:52 Zergleaf wrote:
Would love to see the option to customise the length of the the sounds play for... its rather long as it is.
Or even just upload a couple of versions with pre defined alert lengths?
5-10 seconds is waay too much for me, 0.5-2 is more than enough.
Thanks This is a good idea, I'll work on adding a configuration interface to it. and then both getting quoted by OP immediately? fishy.
... Would you like a tinfoil hat?
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On October 06 2011 06:00 Zergleaf wrote:
3rd party/independent = different things.
He can say otherwise because it's simply not true.
it adds nothing to the game, it is separate from it on every level. You are wasting your energy on hating a concept rather than learning to understand it's uses.
So is it just a 45-second timer that flashes every 45 seconds, or is it actually related to when your injects pop? If it's just flashing every 45 seconds regardless of whether or not you hit your injects then I don't really have a problem with it, that's just like having an egg timer next to your desk that goes off every 45 seconds. And at the same time, that's not that helpful. If it's actually tying itself to the notifications that come up ingame (which is the idea I'm getting - I don't really want to download it) then it's definitely adding something to the game - it's adding emphasis to an important notification and that seriously improves your game.
On October 06 2011 06:00 Zergleaf wrote:
Better go down to the music store and harass the manager for selling metronomes too.
I used a much more primitive version of a timer when i first started sc2 back in the beta, after around 2-3 hours you get a very very tight inner clock for it.
And for players already good? (im in masters so im still shit) It will come as a complete shock to you when you are busy multitasking and you hear the beep and think "oh shit, i would have totally missed that"
And you know what that is? It's realisation of weakness and live feedback... the easiest and most efficient ways to learn.
Yes, it's a good way to learn. That's cool. I understand how this could be used as a learning tool, you could play customs with it on, do whatever you feel like hitting injects every time, and that would be awesome. But if you're using it on ladder, like it seems like it's intended for? You're breaking the game by using something that gives you an advantage over players that are equally skilled and that's bullshit and should never be allowed on either TL or bnet.
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On October 06 2011 06:12 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 05:55 caradoc wrote:On October 06 2011 05:52 Zergleaf wrote:
Would love to see the option to customise the length of the the sounds play for... its rather long as it is.
Or even just upload a couple of versions with pre defined alert lengths?
5-10 seconds is waay too much for me, 0.5-2 is more than enough.
Thanks Zergleaf: profile created 5 minutes ago On October 06 2011 05:48 Astevio wrote:
I'm not sure if you've tested it, OP, But the flashing and the sound last for a ridiculously long time, by the time it stops flashing and buzzing its nearly time to inject again.
Thanks for a great app! Astevio: 3 posts, the other two in the thread that the OP referenced. Both posting consecutively after OP replies? On October 06 2011 05:53 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 06 2011 05:48 Astevio wrote:
I'm not sure if you've tested it, OP, But the flashing and the sound last for a ridiculously long time, by the time it stops flashing and buzzing its nearly time to inject again.
Thanks for a great app! Hmm, it should only last as long as the standard notification. I could shorten it if you'd like, though. How long do you think it should last? On October 06 2011 05:52 Zergleaf wrote:
Would love to see the option to customise the length of the the sounds play for... its rather long as it is.
Or even just upload a couple of versions with pre defined alert lengths?
5-10 seconds is waay too much for me, 0.5-2 is more than enough.
Thanks This is a good idea, I'll work on adding a configuration interface to it. and then both getting quoted by OP immediately? fishy. ... Would you like a tinfoil hat?
A hypothesis is different than a held truth. Paranoia, which I think you're alluding to with the hat reference does not generally include the entertainment of hypotheses, but rather being convinced that things with no evidence must be truth.
I pointed out what you would probably agree is a statistical anomaly coupled with a fairly homogenous perspective on an issue of contention in the thread. One possible hypothesis is that its a single person posting under multiple accounts. An alternative hypothesis is that its a few people acting in collaboration. A more mundane hypothesis is that it is simply a statistical anomaly. With the absence of further evidence either way, its simply an amusing anecdote.
But if you have extra hats, I'll grab one. =)
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On October 06 2011 06:12 Cyx. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 06:00 Zergleaf wrote:
3rd party/independent = different things.
He can say otherwise because it's simply not true.
it adds nothing to the game, it is separate from it on every level. You are wasting your energy on hating a concept rather than learning to understand it's uses.
So is it just a 45-second timer that flashes every 45 seconds, or is it actually related to when your injects pop? If it's just flashing every 45 seconds regardless of whether or not you hit your injects then I don't really have a problem with it, that's just like having an egg timer next to your desk that goes off every 45 seconds. And at the same time, that's not that helpful. If it's actually tying itself to the notifications that come up ingame (which is the idea I'm getting - I don't really want to download it) then it's definitely adding something to the game - it's adding emphasis to an important notification and that seriously improves your game. Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 06:00 Zergleaf wrote:
Better go down to the music store and harass the manager for selling metronomes too.
I used a much more primitive version of a timer when i first started sc2 back in the beta, after around 2-3 hours you get a very very tight inner clock for it.
And for players already good? (im in masters so im still shit) It will come as a complete shock to you when you are busy multitasking and you hear the beep and think "oh shit, i would have totally missed that"
And you know what that is? It's realisation of weakness and live feedback... the easiest and most efficient ways to learn.
Yes, it's a good way to learn. That's cool. I understand how this could be used as a learning tool, you could play customs with it on, do whatever you feel like hitting injects every time, and that would be awesome. But if you're using it on ladder, like it seems like it's intended for? You're breaking the game by using something that gives you an advantage over players that are equally skilled and that's bullshit and should never be allowed on either TL or bnet.
Guns aren't evil.
It's pretty much that situation. Should we stop researching into medicine because some people abuse the fuck out of certain drugs? In my opinion we should celebrate any attempts to increase the pace of development within the community.
The sooner we have a large amount players able to macro to an extremely solid level, the sooner we have a large variety of high level practice partners, good for everybody.
(random metaphorical anecdote incoming)
If a new player comes along and uses this for 1 hour, he might learn more about his injection habits than he could have in 10 hours of play without it.
Unlike some people think, you don't form dependencies on external stimulus to be able to remember something, it can only help, not detract from a persons learning. Taking the aid away doesn't have a negative impact. at the very worse you just go back to normal but with a more conscious focus on the Injection/Intended action.
Just hope we see a little less fear and hate on these forums..
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I like it. When used appropriately in non-competition it has great potential as a learning aid to remember queen injects. Thank you for your hard work and I look forward to a version with an interface.
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I've added a configuration GUI to allow you to change the length of time that the notification flashes, aswell as choose which events you want to be notified of. The OP has been updated with a new link/virus scan/hash
If you have any suggestions on other things to add/change, feel free to let me know
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On October 06 2011 07:52 Okiesmokie wrote:I've added a configuration GUI to allow you to change the length of time that the notification flashes, aswell as choose which events you want to be notified of. The OP has been updated with a new link/virus scan/hash If you have any suggestions on other things to add/change, feel free to let me know
Nice response time hah.
Thanks for your efforts
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This seems all right to me. It helps players play, and it doesn't lend a gigantic benefit to play.
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Don't really need this for Mules. Maybe chronoboost. It helps the most for injects.
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On October 06 2011 08:05 KimJongChill wrote:
Don't really need this for Mules. Maybe chronoboost. It helps the most for injects.
Even if the energy does save up as terran, it's still better to get the benefit right when the mule expires (a little after the energy becomes available to call a new one.) As opposed to having a period of time where you are getting lower income, and then all of a sudden spiking to huge income when you drop 4 mules at a time. It can help refine build orders by taking out the variance of mineral gain by calling down 2-4 mules simultaneously from one orbital.
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On October 06 2011 08:09 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 08:05 KimJongChill wrote:
Don't really need this for Mules. Maybe chronoboost. It helps the most for injects. Even if the energy does save up as terran, it's still better to get the benefit right when the mule expires (a little after the energy becomes available to call a new one.) As opposed to having a period of time where you are getting lower income, and then all of a sudden spiking to huge income when you drop 4 mules at a time. It can help refine build orders by taking out the variance of mineral gain by calling down 2-4 mules simultaneously from one orbital.
Although it's probably not the right place to post this, it's also worth remembering that vs protoss especially, around the 7 minute mark tis a good idea to ignore this alert until you are sure its not DT's
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I can't get this to work, first it had me update net framework 4.xx now when i try to run the program it says, " Unhandled exception has occurred in your application. If you click continue. the application will ignore this error and attempt to continue. etc Then is says " Object reference set to an instance of an object" it doesn't work if i ignore the error, it just closes down, i would love to try it out but dunno what is wrong, if ya got any idea let me know thx
does sc2 have to be running or something?
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On October 06 2011 08:27 HatchetWound wrote:
I can't get this to work, first it had me update net framework 4.xx now when i try to run the program it says, " Unhandled exception has occurred in your application. If you click continue. the application will ignore this error and attempt to continue. etc Then is says " Object reference set to an instance of an object" it doesn't work if i ignore the error, it just closes down, i would love to try it out but dunno what is wrong, if ya got any idea let me know thx
does sc2 have to be running or something?
Yeah, SC2 has to be running. Is there any kind of debug log it gives you that you could copy and paste here?
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if by better of you mean "will also make absolutely no difference" then sure ;D.
btw thanks OP, got a couple of hours use out of it today, noticed quite a few scenario where my injects just seem to fall out of my head. Can now work on fixing this problem now it's been highlighted.
Useful tool.
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Admins should just delete this Topic since its just promoting a third party program
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As a terran player, I would find this extremely useful, but then I'd end up forgetting to save energy for two minutes before I drop 12 mules on a gold base.
So thanks but no thanks :D.
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On October 06 2011 09:53 HaRxTears wrote:
Admins should just delete this Topic since its just promoting a third party program
Except one of the admins is R1CH, who got his notoriety developing third party programs. This is also far from the first/only program to be posted on TL. It is not against the rules.
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Looks nice, will try it for sure.
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Thanks for this but really the best way to learn CB and mule and larvae timings is to just play the game. My CB is kept low because I just know when I need to use it, and I know what to use it on, just from experience.
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Not that im against mods like these, but with your point regarding blizzard removing ingame notifications, isn't the point about them the fact that everyone has them, whereas people have to look for things such as these?
But whatever, im not against people using programs like these.
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Thanks. My arm is hurt atm so i havent been able to play a lot for a while and this may help me get back into the game(only in customs of course)
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I don't know how one wouldn't feel guilty about using this kind of stuff.
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On October 06 2011 11:19 Alpino wrote:
I don't know how one wouldn't feel guilty about using this kind of stuff.
Do you feel guilty reading the Teamliquid Strategy Section, or the Liquipedia to learn new strategies? Those are both third-party sources that help you improve your game. This is nothing different.
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Tried it, but the sounds lasts for a few seconds too long so it gets a bit annoying.
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Defiantly sounds useful but its obviously violating the Terms of service. Adding text or sounds is modifying the game experience like it says in section 2.B
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On October 06 2011 14:29 TheBrofessor wrote:
Tried it, but the sounds lasts for a few seconds too long so it gets a bit annoying.
You can modify how long the sound lasts in the options.
On October 06 2011 14:48 rumblenin wrote:
Defiantly sounds useful but its obviously violating the Terms of service. Adding text or sounds is modifying the game experience like it says in section 2.B
Reading the thread before posting is hard I hear.
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so much bad feed back for you helping out, I on the other hand love the addition. Thanks for the post!
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People really need to figure out this whole "violating TOS" thing. As I have said in multiple threads, I could have a timer on my desk and have it set to go off in 29 seconds after i hit it. So I can inject, hit the timer and it will go off in 29 seconds. OH SNAP HE'S CHEATING. (wut?) What is the difference between that and this. If anything, the timer might just be more effective at reminding you to inject.
I can mute the in game sounds and play iTunes in the background. That's a 3rd party program and I'm modifying the "in game experience". Is that a violation of the TOS? Use judgment.
Nice program OP ^.^
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Holy friggin crap guys why do we have to have this argument EVERY TIME SOMEONE MAKES A LARVA INJECT/OTHER STUFF BASED ON TIMING APP?? its just basically a repeating egg timer for certain special ingame times. If you don't like it, stop saying its cheating, cus you could do it without a program and just a simple watch.
To the dev, thanks! This is more integrated than 99% of this type of solution I've seen so kudos!
EDIT: YES COMMON SENSE!!!
On October 06 2011 15:04 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:
People really need to figure out this whole "violating TOS" thing. As I have said in multiple threads, I could have a timer on my desk and have it set to go off in 29 seconds after i hit it. So I can inject, hit the timer and it will go off in 29 seconds. OH SNAP HE'S CHEATING. (wut?) What is the difference between that and this. If anything, the timer might just be more effective at reminding you to inject.
I can mute the in game sounds and play iTunes in the background. That's a 3rd party program and I'm modifying the "in game experience". Is that a violation of the TOS? Use judgment.
Nice program OP ^.^
Good point on the itunes... you could just have a looping itunes mp3.... Its no different, calm yourselves please.
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