New Terran Unit in Heart of the Swarm - Page 104

On October 07 2011 12:58 PrideNeverDie wrote:
it says a lot when the first unit preview for the zerg-based expansion is a terran unit. it really shows the difference of time and effort that blizzard puts into terran compared to zerg and protoss.

On October 07 2011 13:00 GinDo wrote:


As a terran, its not so much that I want marauders to be removed, but nerfed. Its pretty redicoulus that mass marauder can just 1a into 10 tanks and come out ahead. Also I think Conc is a EZ mode ability. Terran doesn't really need conc. It just makes TvP a hell of alot easier. But its lacking can be overcomed with micro.

Its pretty stupid how fast 4 stim marauders take out a base.

On October 07 2011 05:40 grappasc wrote:
The key question in my opinion is: what units are going to be removed? I recall Browder making it clear they don't like increasing the amount of units. terrans have the biggest number of combat units, so if all races get something new and even zerg is possibly getting overseer or corruptor removed, as people from blizz have hinted, I'm pretty sure terran will lose something.

I would never expect it to be marines, ghosts, tanks, because they're to some extent iconic units. there's a little bit of a mess in the starport department, but I think if they were to force themselves to find something to change about terran, they would look at barracks and factory:

thors didn't become exactly what they wanted, but I think they're okay, even though 250mm will no doubt be changed, if the unit won't be replaced. however, I see reapers, marauders and hellions as the most likely candidates. marauders lack flavor and the MM ball would look much more entertaining if marauders didn't look like just bigger marines. hellions overlap with reapers and reapers never worked out. hellions have been complained about ever since people realized they can blow up all your workers in a matter of seconds, and I recall browder saying they don't think that makes an exciting e-sport to watch either. I don't really have any problems with these units, but I think they're gonna cut something and this is where I think the only possible problems are.

my interpretation of the silhouette, the revamped firebat with 2 mines, would in my opinion make cuts among those units possible. maybe even 2 units from terran could be removed and 2 added. that would be something. and I think especially the nature of firebat would suit this sort of a scenario perfectly, because its role would be a combination of old units' roles. it wouldn't be 1 unit replacing another one, but 2 units replacing 2 units, and I think that's a little easier to balance out than it is to find a perfect, effective 1 for 1 replacement.

also, because the units are introduced in the order they appear in the campaign, we could be seeing a low tier zerg unit next, then more low tier units of any of the 3 races, and later higher tier units of different races. I believe this is what the blue post hinted, and it would also suggest that this is an infantry unit, low tier, which supports my interpretation, that it is indeed a firebat.

revamped firebat with 2 mines on page 91.

edit1: "the more interesting question" -> "the key question"
edit2: "than finding" -> "than it is to find"

On October 06 2011 14:39 grappasc wrote:
since my post on page 71 attracted zero attention, I decided to post a more accurate picture than before and include more key text pieces to the picture, so people won't have to bother read what looks like a message on a forum.

On October 07 2011 14:30 pzea469 wrote:


It's not the viking's fault though. Blame goes to the collossus.

On October 07 2011 16:54 Ganseng wrote:
@grappasc
to be honest this conjectured plate with flamethrower on top looks weird. is it sotuated behind the fuel tanks in your opinion?
what could be the purpose of such a huge plate behind man's back?

On October 07 2011 17:36 aebriol wrote:
I like this image:


Saw it somewhere else, not my work, not sure if it's been mentioned.

On October 07 2011 17:45 Tppz! wrote:
I still think its a Hellion transformer. Hopefully to tank a lot of Damage to cure a bit of TvP. Please be a light Unit. Immortals are stupid enough in TvP Mech

On October 07 2011 17:48 grappasc wrote:
just thought I should make it clearer

On October 07 2011 16:26 CatNzHat wrote:


concussive shells are the only thing that prevents protoss from being able to over-extend without getting punished before stim finishes, and are the only means of terran pressuring against mass zealot stalker. Marauders killing a base fast, sure whatever, doesn't really make any difference to me, but the fact is, if they don't defend the drop, they're gonna lose shit, nerfing rauders would just allow protoss players to get even further out of position. I mean seriously, you have warp gates, just warp in some units, and bring some stalkers over and you can thwart it away easily... seriously dude, ur just wrong.

On October 07 2011 17:52 GrungyMunchy wrote:

Jeez, let it go already. You've made your point.

On October 07 2011 17:58 grappasc wrote:

your comment was unjustified, uncalled for and counterproductive

On October 07 2011 17:53 ToastieNL wrote:


What the fuck..!?
I'm not really sure, but don't 8 Marauders kill a nexus faster than a warp- in cycle (5 secs), at least, I know that if I get 8 Marauders in without the main army near, I'll kill a nexus and maybe a few pylons, no micro required...!?

On October 07 2011 18:02 Rannasha wrote:


8 stimmed Marauders do 160 damage every (SC2) second. A Nexus has a total of 2000 HP+shields. That's ~13 seconds of shooting. Upgrades change this number, but not that much.

On October 07 2011 17:58 grappasc wrote:

your comment was unjustified, uncalled for and counterproductive

On October 07 2011 18:10 Roblin wrote:


are these numbers correct? do stimmed maruaders shoot once per sc2second? I almost feel like they fire faster

we know for sure the damage is 20*8 damage per volley, so the real dps is 160 * (volleys per second).