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On September 20 2011 08:36 PopcornColonel wrote:

Spore crawlers are 75 minerals, and 0 gas.

On September 20 2011 13:18 Arisen wrote:


What I have to offer is proof that the ghost is extremely cost efficient versus any lategame zerg army to the point where Terrans don't really lose after they get them out in a decent number as well as zerg not having anything that can actually touch them due to cloaking mechanics and sniping overseers as well as the ghost outranging every zerg unit. What is the composition that can go kill them, really? TLO has been using this since GSL 1 (or 2, his first season either way), it's been quite a while...nope, still no answer.

On September 20 2011 10:16 Eps wrote:
Can you Kill with Mass EMPs? No. Can you Kill with Mass Fungals/Storms? Yes.
Players don't Mass up Ghosts and win the game outright with them. They're a support unit and their role is a fine one at that. However people could Chain-Fungal units down and Carpet Storms are a Pain.

There's a big difference between the Casters and people aren't content until they're all the same.

On September 20 2011 10:57 Arisen wrote:


Watch the July vs MVP game on metalopolis (or Thorzain versus Catz or any demuslim game versus zerg). That's why people are saying there's a problem with TvZ. The July MVP game isn't the best example as july made some questionable decisions, but once terran has a sufficient amount of tank/ghost you can't touch them.

On September 20 2011 11:29 Ftrunkz wrote:


My point was your post (and this new one) are both INCREDIBLY biased towards your race in literally every way possible and any argument you make about literally anything can be thrown back at you with similar biased logic from any one of the other races point of views. I honestly fail to see any part of my post that spoke less truth than any of your opinions... Hell i'll do it again just for kicks...



Well, all my stuff was true, all yours wasn't? Name me a game where the Zerg played well, didn't make any major mistakes and punished a protoss player accordingly if he took 3 bases with equal econ and still lost to a zerg? For every 1 game you give me, I can give you 100 games of zerg rolling a protoss because he had an econ advantage going into lategame and rolled over him with infestor broodlord. That's just the way the matchup works,zerg cripples protoss going into late-game so the protoss cant do anything, so you have to win in the midgame with timing pushes or pray the zerg's a retard. And while I think that reflects poor game design, it's the way things are. So it is perfectly justifiable to nerf the major component to making midgame zerg armies strong versus protoss when protoss have proven to be able to deal with infesotrs fine?

As to comparing the ghost to the infestor; I don't know what to say about that. You're wrong, I suppose is the long and short of it. Yeah, if you could fungal growth and NP unhindered, I guess the infestor is on par with the ghost, but you can with broodlord support. broodlords and infestors outrange templar and stalker by a ton, and infestors fungalling negating out Our ability to blink and get under or away from broodlords and Neural is equal range to Collosi, so they can be delt with safely and neural is fantastic versus HT to feedbacking other HT as well. infestors can Hide behind broodslords, meaning you have to suicide a large amount of units just to have a chance at killing, combined with fungalling and running away or just burrowing make them practically untargatable. Sure, you can try to use your mobility to get around the slow zerg army, the only problem is that our most mobile units are all countered by lings which are even more mobile, and since broodlord infestor is a gas heavy combo, ling complement the combo perfectly allowing the zerg to shutdown any sort of harassment easily if he isnt a retard

The difference is I can give you a fuckton of examples of people dealing with greedy protosses trying to take a third and getting punished ridiculously hard, whilst you cant give me a lot of examples of people dealing with lategame broodlord infestor (atleast pvz)





But seriously, my point isn't that my edit of your posts holds true to what my opinion is, which I think is the part that you're missing, it's that my arguments, that seem so ridiculously stupid and obviously wrong to you, are actually on the same level of biased bullshit as yours are, all I've done is edited a few words to make it reflect the opposite side of the stories view, hence why EVERYONE but other butthurt zerg players will laugh at your post, my edits of your post, and the idea that people can actually be that 1-sided in their approach to sc2.

On September 20 2011 11:30 Shiori wrote:

immortals are not good units. they lose to stimmed marines, are marginally effective against marauders, but represent such a tech diversion that it's not worth it. the warp prism is utterly worthless because we have nothing economical to drop. the only good change is the neural parasite. fungal growth's damage is irrelevant to protoss. the root is the issue.

On September 20 2011 11:19 Shiori wrote:
so basically blizzard did nothing to address the ghost, nothing to address pvz in general, and nothing to give protoss harassment options (in fact they nerfed blink, lol). bravo.

On September 20 2011 13:31 Bagi wrote:

Similar arguments could be made for many units if we assume perfect control. On paper, infestors can chain fungal protoss deathballs and kill them without taking a single hit,

On September 20 2011 13:42 WinteRR wrote:


I did watch that game, and that is what EVERYONE says and it's a completely wrong context. It's basically the same as "Oh you should harass zerg or you lose" - you can't let Terrans have more than 2 bases than you like MVP did. He was in the most comfortable position and he could afford to get a ridiculous amount of ghosts without dying.

On September 20 2011 13:56 Arisen wrote:


You know, unless he has those one things....colossus, I think they're called.

Look, even a lot of terrans admit this is too strong. Yeah, if you're stupid with your ghosts you can lose, but that's a bad argument. If your justification is "I could make a mistake and lose them", that's piss poor. You believe that it's a good thing to have a win condition of if the terran doesn't fuck up he wins and if he does the zerg wins? Infestors actually have pretty short range (and are still getting nerfed to shit even when players have demonstrated clear ways to beat them) compared to the insane range of the ghost and a spell that does massive damage to biological units for a low energy cost. Every zerg unit is biological. It's not like I can spread out my stuff to mitigate the damge like you can with fungal, all your stuff just dies as it approaches. Yeah, ghosts need their spells, but they need to be toned down.

On September 20 2011 08:39 rpgalon wrote:


terran avoided a ghost nerf, serious, they got it easy.