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On September 20 2011 07:20 gogogadgetflow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:13 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:38 keioh wrote:On September 20 2011 06:33 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you forgot now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind" do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from? do you somehow genuinely think that people should just sign a _legal contract_ and be allowed to just say "fuck it I don't need to do it lolololol" what century are you from? stephano did not sign a legal contract. he signed something a jumped-up american idiot thought would bind him under Texas law. doesn't work that way, and no french court would extradite him for it. So a legally binding contract is not a legal contract ? Shit, world doesn't make sense anymore. Hate will prevail as usual. it wasn't a legally binding contract. there's more to making a contract legally binding than a piece of paper, some words, and a signature. those words must have valid form, and legitimate function. You realize the guy he signed the contract with is a practicing lawyer, yes?
apparently, he's not a very good one.
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On September 20 2011 07:18 EvOr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:14 dafunk wrote:On September 20 2011 06:51 justinpal wrote:On September 20 2011 06:49 EvOr wrote:
Wanna guess what's the next move of Stephano : Going back to his studies, he switch to a full time pro-gamer, right before entering med school, he will switch back to being a student...
Stephano is 18? He is going to med school soon? Really? Actually the funny thing is that he lied about this too. He isnt going to med school at all and didnt even finished college when he said it... The guy is a liar and a kid, thats all :/ What do you mean by college, since you're french I give you the benefice of the doubt, but right now i think you're just a troll. At 17/18 he's at most out of highschool.
A levels / Sixth form / College it can be called a number of things. What does this even matter? He lied about his education.
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On September 20 2011 07:15 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:14 Himali wrote:On September 20 2011 07:13 Ym!r wrote:
They chose to tell him the contract is garbage, pretending it's in Stephano's favor to stay with Millenium, when it's not, they don't have half the opportunities coL could provide him
Finally, as said by Millenium : " LET S FOCUS ON THE FRENCH LANS"
Some people says that the american aren't aware of the world outside of USA, but
what about France ? That's seriously selfish from Millenium, they are killing Stephano's carreer, one year in SC2 is a LOT That is just unfair, you obviously do know nothing about both team audience reach and fan base development. Neither do you.
Actually I do but just to dismiss your first statement with minimum effort: Complexity 22k FB likes, Millenium 18k. Millenium having a real content production and distribution strategy with avg. 3k viewer on THEIR own webtv (growing at >20% per monthlast 12 month). Col. content distribution strategy? See here: http://www.complexitygaming.com/streams/
Obviously killing stephanos carrer... right
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On September 20 2011 07:19 theBizness wrote:
Every day we march closer and closer to KESPA II, which is game over for the foreign scene. Also, think about how potential sponsors for various tournaments/teams will react when something like this happens every other week.
It won't happen every week if there is a governing body like kespa. Your statements don't make sense.
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On September 20 2011 07:15 Koorb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:08 Kaedeleus wrote:
" Lewellys stated that he doesn't plan on sending Stephano to lots of international event, and that he will focus on French events." is a fake.
Lewellys never say that I was on the stream. He said that stephano go to the french evant if he have the time He clearly stated that the whole purpose of Millenium is not to become a global team, that competes all over the world, but to improve the esport in France. He also said that he didn't plan on sending Stephano to more international events that he already had (i.e. only in European events).
Je sais pas si tu a écouté le stream mais Llewl a parlé d'un projet global pour faire avancer l'esport francais ca ne concerne pas Stephano. Il a dit qu'il ferait event us (ipl, mlg) event euro et un séjour en corée. C'est tout
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On September 20 2011 07:05 Kairos~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:57 DW-Unrec wrote:
why do they want that guy so much? he's not that good He just 2-1'd MMA in the IPL today...
That doesn't count, It was late at night for MMA and he might not have been thinking clearly 
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I like arguing and you all dont know that France and USA have very different legal system which cant be compared.Bottom line is, coL can pick beetwen taking him in team or gaining huge fee from Mill. Simple.
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I just realized that there are about 5-10 people on here that repeatedly keep trolling the same information that has already been either refuted or are outright wrong. No wonder this thread is hot like fire.
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On September 20 2011 07:20 gulbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:13 ZestyPickle wrote:On September 20 2011 07:11 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 07:09 Myles wrote:On September 20 2011 07:07 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 07:02 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 07:02 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:36 havox_ wrote:On September 20 2011 06:33 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:
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do you somehow genuinely think that people should just sign a _legal contract_ and be allowed to just say "fuck it I don't need to do it lolololol"
what century are you from? stephano did not sign a legal contract. he signed something a jumped-up american idiot thought would bind him under Texas law. doesn't work that way, and no french court would extradite him for it. And the Australians would say that it's perfectly fine to not hold on to an agreement, cuz you found a loophole in it? That's amazing =) that's how the law works, yes. should courts go by the "spirit of an agreement"? it's unworkable. in this case, we're not talking about minor loopholes either, but massive, fundamental problems. so by "massive fundamental problems" you mean "not in french"? K. - the contract wasn't in french - it attempted to subject the employee to a different country's labour laws - it had the form of a contract for fixed service provision, but the function of employment - it made no provision for specification or limitation of a probationary period, yet purported to apply from the date of witness we have been told all these things by compLexity representatives. any of them, alone, would be sufficient to void the document. You don't even understand basic contract law(as proven when calling work length agreements 'barbaric') so stop talking about this like you know anything at all. The fact is that an ACTUAL LAWYER is not exactly sure how this will unfold, so quit acting like you are. workers' rights supersede contract law - at least, everywhere other than the USA. contracts exist only as allowed BY law, and a nation's rules for employment, as democratically enacted, limit what is possible in a contract. i'm entirely in my right to call it barbaric to allow people to sign away years of their lives with no recourse. i don't believe that even america really allows that - you're just ignorant enough to think it does. Youre so ignorant you think contracts arent valid. Where the hell do you work? Some socialist propaganda office? He is subject to US law, the origin of his employement and contract, and thats all that matters. Dont make this political keep it legal. But seeing as you fail to understand legal laws that seems impossible. that's garbage. employment law, by long standing practice and precedent in all wealthy nations, is applied according to the laws of the host nation, not the originating nation of the employer. you're stating what you hope or guess to be true as fact.
Too bad its a contracting contract, Try again my friend.
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On September 20 2011 06:40 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:32 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:28 Chargelot wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
..... I don't understand why people like this get involved in the conversation, if they are so willfully ignorant that they don't understand the purpose or intents of a -- any -- business. You can't sign a contract, and then in less than a day after it's made public decline to follow through with your LEGAL obligations. It is illegal.. this contract was not valid and did not confer any legal obligations. it wasn't even in french, let alone in the valid form of a contract of employment. So contracts have to be in French? Stop posting. You're shilling for Millenium pretty obviously and you have no clue what you're talking about. If Stephano signed a lawful contract with the U.S. a French court could presume that he submitted to the contract laws of that employer's nation. A U.S. contract does not have to uphold to French contract law. under french law, contracts employing french citizens do in fact have to be in french. i don't know why you think this is strange.
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On September 20 2011 07:22 ZestyPickle wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:20 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 07:13 ZestyPickle wrote:On September 20 2011 07:11 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 07:09 Myles wrote:On September 20 2011 07:07 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 07:02 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 07:02 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:36 havox_ wrote:On September 20 2011 06:33 gulbanana wrote:
[quote]stephano did not sign a legal contract. he signed something a jumped-up american idiot thought would bind him under Texas law. doesn't work that way, and no french court would extradite him for it. And the Australians would say that it's perfectly fine to not hold on to an agreement, cuz you found a loophole in it? That's amazing =) that's how the law works, yes. should courts go by the "spirit of an agreement"? it's unworkable. in this case, we're not talking about minor loopholes either, but massive, fundamental problems. so by "massive fundamental problems" you mean "not in french"? K. - the contract wasn't in french - it attempted to subject the employee to a different country's labour laws - it had the form of a contract for fixed service provision, but the function of employment - it made no provision for specification or limitation of a probationary period, yet purported to apply from the date of witness we have been told all these things by compLexity representatives. any of them, alone, would be sufficient to void the document. You don't even understand basic contract law(as proven when calling work length agreements 'barbaric') so stop talking about this like you know anything at all. The fact is that an ACTUAL LAWYER is not exactly sure how this will unfold, so quit acting like you are. workers' rights supersede contract law - at least, everywhere other than the USA. contracts exist only as allowed BY law, and a nation's rules for employment, as democratically enacted, limit what is possible in a contract. i'm entirely in my right to call it barbaric to allow people to sign away years of their lives with no recourse. i don't believe that even america really allows that - you're just ignorant enough to think it does. Youre so ignorant you think contracts arent valid. Where the hell do you work? Some socialist propaganda office? He is subject to US law, the origin of his employement and contract, and thats all that matters. Dont make this political keep it legal. But seeing as you fail to understand legal laws that seems impossible. that's garbage. employment law, by long standing practice and precedent in all wealthy nations, is applied according to the laws of the host nation, not the originating nation of the employer. you're stating what you hope or guess to be true as fact. Too bad its a contracting contract, Try again my friend.
"contracting" as a form of employment with limited rights does not exist in france, fortunately.
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On September 20 2011 07:21 Himali wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:15 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 07:14 Himali wrote:On September 20 2011 07:13 Ym!r wrote:
They chose to tell him the contract is garbage, pretending it's in Stephano's favor to stay with Millenium, when it's not, they don't have half the opportunities coL could provide him
Finally, as said by Millenium : " LET S FOCUS ON THE FRENCH LANS"
Some people says that the american aren't aware of the world outside of USA, but
what about France ? That's seriously selfish from Millenium, they are killing Stephano's carreer, one year in SC2 is a LOT That is just unfair, you obviously do know nothing about both team audience reach and fan base development. Neither do you. Actually I do but just to dismiss your first statement with minimum effort: Complexity 22k FB likes, Millenium 18k. Millenium having a real content production and distribution strategy with avg. 3k viewer on THEIR own webtv (growing at >20% per monthlast 12 month). Col. content distribution strategy? See here: http://www.complexitygaming.com/streams/Obviously killing stephanos carrer... right
Just because they have a webtv doesn't mean it's targetting people outside of france.
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I really hope Stephano gets booed at IPL . . .
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On September 20 2011 07:21 gulbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:20 gogogadgetflow wrote:On September 20 2011 07:13 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:38 keioh wrote:On September 20 2011 06:33 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you forgot now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind" do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from? do you somehow genuinely think that people should just sign a _legal contract_ and be allowed to just say "fuck it I don't need to do it lolololol" what century are you from? stephano did not sign a legal contract. he signed something a jumped-up american idiot thought would bind him under Texas law. doesn't work that way, and no french court would extradite him for it. So a legally binding contract is not a legal contract ? Shit, world doesn't make sense anymore. Hate will prevail as usual. it wasn't a legally binding contract. there's more to making a contract legally binding than a piece of paper, some words, and a signature. those words must have valid form, and legitimate function. You realize the guy he signed the contract with is a practicing lawyer, yes? apparently, he's not a very good one.
Yeah only made enough money to create one of the biggest esports organizations ever. Go against him in court bud.
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On September 20 2011 07:22 ZeRoX5 wrote:
I like arguing and you all dont know that France and USA have very different legal system which cant be compared.Bottom line is, coL can pick beetwen taking him in team or gaining huge fee from Mill. Simple.
actually, coL won't get to do either of those things.
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Millennium is really tarnishing the name of their organization and even indirectly affecting their players, which is very unfortunate because they haven't done anything. Regardless of who has the legal advantage, coL has has spoken with the community, expressed their point of view in a organized manner, and attempted to contact Stephano and Mill. Now Millennium on the other hand is refusing to talk with coL, telling Stephano to simply ignore the agreement, and just generally acting shady. This is a business manner involving real money, yet in my opinion they are handling it like some playground agreement. Hopefully this situation will resolve itself, but my opinion of Millennium is pretty low right now. Hopefully their actions will not simply be forgotten.
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On September 20 2011 07:22 ZestyPickle wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:20 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 07:13 ZestyPickle wrote:On September 20 2011 07:11 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 07:09 Myles wrote:On September 20 2011 07:07 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 07:02 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 07:02 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:36 havox_ wrote:On September 20 2011 06:33 gulbanana wrote:
[quote]stephano did not sign a legal contract. he signed something a jumped-up american idiot thought would bind him under Texas law. doesn't work that way, and no french court would extradite him for it. And the Australians would say that it's perfectly fine to not hold on to an agreement, cuz you found a loophole in it? That's amazing =) that's how the law works, yes. should courts go by the "spirit of an agreement"? it's unworkable. in this case, we're not talking about minor loopholes either, but massive, fundamental problems. so by "massive fundamental problems" you mean "not in french"? K. - the contract wasn't in french - it attempted to subject the employee to a different country's labour laws - it had the form of a contract for fixed service provision, but the function of employment - it made no provision for specification or limitation of a probationary period, yet purported to apply from the date of witness we have been told all these things by compLexity representatives. any of them, alone, would be sufficient to void the document. You don't even understand basic contract law(as proven when calling work length agreements 'barbaric') so stop talking about this like you know anything at all. The fact is that an ACTUAL LAWYER is not exactly sure how this will unfold, so quit acting like you are. workers' rights supersede contract law - at least, everywhere other than the USA. contracts exist only as allowed BY law, and a nation's rules for employment, as democratically enacted, limit what is possible in a contract. i'm entirely in my right to call it barbaric to allow people to sign away years of their lives with no recourse. i don't believe that even america really allows that - you're just ignorant enough to think it does. Youre so ignorant you think contracts arent valid. Where the hell do you work? Some socialist propaganda office? He is subject to US law, the origin of his employement and contract, and thats all that matters. Dont make this political keep it legal. But seeing as you fail to understand legal laws that seems impossible. that's garbage. employment law, by long standing practice and precedent in all wealthy nations, is applied according to the laws of the host nation, not the originating nation of the employer. you're stating what you hope or guess to be true as fact. Too bad its a contracting contract, Try again my friend.
gulbanana is this biggest troll in this thread. Please stop feeding him.
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On September 20 2011 07:21 gogogadgetflow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 07:19 theBizness wrote:
Every day we march closer and closer to KESPA II, which is game over for the foreign scene. Also, think about how potential sponsors for various tournaments/teams will react when something like this happens every other week. It won't happen every week if there is a governing body like kespa. Your statements don't make sense.
Not to mention the next governing body would be formed as a global initiative or it would be meaningless.
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Did anyone read this part of the Millennium letter?
Stephano will sign, as agreed a CDI(Contrat a duree indeterminee, ie: a contract of work with no expiration date) as a "Professional player," identical to those signed by professional sportsmen. He will travel across the world to attempt to win many tournaments, from Asia to the USA. We put our hopes and dreams of a French victory on him, but we also expect a lot from our other Starcraft players and our soon to be League of Legends team...
what's up with this no expiration contract?
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