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Lack of content, flaming (of the French or anyone) and useless posts will be punished. Please keep it from being too inflammatory and keep discussion on-topic. -semioldguy (p.103) Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there. | ||
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lee365
United States448 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:24 WArped wrote: There is no doubt he is a very strong player. Lets not kid ourselves here. Just because he is acting like this doesn't mean his skill level decreases with it.  I'm making a joke about one of Mill's reasons, Not trying to really trying to discredit the player. | ||
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LeFroMaGe
United States628 Posts
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ZestyPickle
United States104 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:25 gulbanana wrote: that's false. contracts are legal documents in which two or more parties agree to exchange goods or perform services; that's all. they can only promise certain things, and can only operate in certain ways. if you just write some words on a piece of paper and sign it, that's no guarantee it will have any legal meaning. Yes a lawyer wrote a random series of words. Are you like fucking mill in disguise? | ||
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:21 gogogadgetflow wrote: It won't happen every week if there is a governing body like kespa. Your statements don't make sense. A governing body will prevent these types of disputes, but it's not going to be good for the development foreign scene. Look at how Broodwar turned out? Also, I doubt the foreign scene will agree to the type of controls KESPA has put into place. | ||
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Elinda
France4 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:13 Ym!r wrote: Ok guys, so basically : If Millenium lose Stephano, they will no longer have a top SC2 player They chose to tell him the contract is garbage, pretending it's in Stephano's favor to stay with Millenium, when it's not, they don't have half the opportunities coL could provide him Finally, as said by Millenium : " LET S FOCUS ON THE FRENCH LANS" Some people says that the american aren't aware of the world outside of USA, but what about France ? That's seriously selfish from Millenium, they are killing Stephano's carreer, one year in SC2 is a LOT I am french and was on Millenium stream all night: Millenium's manager NEVER SAID THAT Stephano will go to many international events, even in korea. | ||
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anGe
Belgium23 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:18 zhurai wrote: well it does say his country is Australia ... Well that's my point, this guys keeps speaking for France when he's obviously not French. Because if he is, he better be trolling... @EvOr, and if you don't do your "pré-avis"'s time they will sue you. The only thing that could "save" Stephano is the retract time of the contract (if there was one to begin with). | ||
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gulbanana
Australia56 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:41 Chargelot wrote: I'll be watching the ban thread closely to see if they're all the same person. i'm not the same person as anyone else in this thread. that you would guess it isn't possible for multiple people to disagree with you is pretty closed-minded. | ||
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Skillig
Belgium141 Posts
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Ym!r
131 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:21 Himali wrote: Actually I do but just to dismiss your first statement with minimum effort: Complexity 22k FB likes, Millenium 18k. Millenium having a real content production and distribution strategy with avg. 3k viewer on THEIR own webtv (growing at >20% per monthlast 12 month). Col. content distribution strategy? See here: http://www.complexitygaming.com/streams/ Obviously killing stephanos carrer... right Facebook likes ? C'mon don't post ever again ... Do you know why Millenium got more hit on their stream ? Because it's the only french webTV on sc2 and french people are in average very bad at speaking/understanding English, it's not something you'll see in Germany or Sweden for example, not a lot of people understand english so with only one webtv its no wonder they got more viewer when coL face a lot of other international shows | ||
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Kaedeleus
France20 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:25 Koorb wrote: You need to separate the facts, as given by Lwl (i.e. focus on working on professionalization of the French scene, notably with the training house in Marseille, and how he doesn't plan on doing anything related to Korea, because of, quote, the lack of visibility of foreigners in Korea) from the long-term views he expressed (the global project you mention). But he also said that there have been talks with the Korean team that Stephano will go to Korea etc. .. | ||
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Myusen
Germany29 Posts
That shows how freaking sellfish french ppl are.. screw stephano haha User was warned for this post | ||
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BuddhaMonk
781 Posts
1. Even if Stephano had not signed any contract and had just verbally told coL that he was joining. For him to back out after agreeing to join speaks to his character (or lack thereof). I'm not sure what he was thinking (maybe he wasn't thinking), but this hurts Stephano's reputation and credibility and he's morally wrong to do what he did. There's no argument here against this point that is convincing. Nobody was holding a gun to his head, agreeing to something at 3AM is not an excuse for breaking your word. 2. If Esports ever wants to break through from fringe activity to mainstream, these types of legal issues will need to be sorted out in an actual court of law, or they'll continue to occur. Similar incidents have gone to court and were seen through to the end, but as I understand it they were Swedish courts ruling on Swedish teams and players. To the best of my knowledge an international legal precedent has not yet been set for this type of issue. That being said, there's no reason to believe any of this would be any different than the legal situation for regular sports. At some point, someone will take legal action and I commend coL for considering it, to the benefit of Esports as whole. Likewise leagues will have to address these issues as well (as they have in the past - again more with CS than SC). The only bearing the legality of the contract in France would have is on whether coL wants to take their chances in legal action. Even if the contract is totally invalid, Stephano is still morally in the wrong. It's also humorous to see so many armchair legal experts appear out of nowhere trying to push all sorts of weird and obscure laws to push their agenda. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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GertHeart
United States631 Posts
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gulbanana
Australia56 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:28 anGe wrote: Well that's my point, this guys keeps speaking for France when he's obviously not French. Because if he is, he better be trolling... @EvOr, and if you don't do your "pré-avis"'s time they will sue you. The only thing that could "save" Stephano is the retract time of the contract (if there was one to begin with). i'm not "speaking for france". i'm not french, as you guessed. i'm speaking up to say that stephano shouldn't be vilified for making an error of judgement then quickly changing his mind - and that compLexity shouldn't be making insane legal threats with no knowledge of the protections conferred on workers by nations other than the usa. | ||
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Megiddosc
United States966 Posts
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:23 zhurai wrote: Just because they have a webtv doesn't mean it's targetting people outside of france. Stephano's carreer would be helped not by internet revenue alone but tournament wins aswell. Win big tournaments = big cash prize -> increased publicity -> more webstream revenue. If you never leave your country you gonna have a hard time winning big prizes. Even the koreans fly out all across the world to attend dreamhack/MLG etc. From sc2earnings.com place 78 MilleniumIlyes "Stephano" Satouri $6,515 in winnings. If complexity enables him to travel the world, instead of just france: the talent of stephano could be developed to aquire bigger wins. Ultimately it comes down to player skill and the backing of their team to develop that skill. Country borders should not be a restricting issue in the world of e-sports. We got normal sports doing that already. | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:21 WArped wrote: A levels / Sixth form / College it can be called a number of things. What does this even matter? He lied about his education. How has he lied? If his (French A Level equivilent) grades are good enough the next logical step towards being a doctor is med school. | ||
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Eisenheim
France229 Posts
coL vs Mill. Bo7. | ||
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ZestyPickle
United States104 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:30 gulbanana wrote: i'm not "speaking for france". i'm not french, as you guessed. i'm speaking up to say that stephano shouldn't be vilified for making an error of judgement then quickly changing his mind - and that compLexity shouldn't be making insane legal threats with no knowledge of the protections conferred on workers by nations other than the usa. I get it now, Australian communist party? | ||
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