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Lack of content, flaming (of the French or anyone) and useless posts will be punished. Please keep it from being too inflammatory and keep discussion on-topic. -semioldguy (p.103)

Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there.
nemo14
Profile Joined January 2011
United States425 Posts
September 19 2011 22:35 GMT
#2001
On September 20 2011 07:26 taLbuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 07:25 Horse...falcon wrote:
I'm a fake lawyer too and in my grand official legal opinion that France is the true victim here. A French citizen was swindled into a contract by a fat, arrogant, racist American and forced to toil for the rest of his life playing in american starcraft tournaments. Luckily French superstar lawyer and NBA point guard Tony Parker was able to rescue our boy hero and win the Olympic Gold medal game from the dirty Americans and bring justice to the universe.


pretty much what any thread involving an American organization will boil down to here on teamliquid

True that. This thread is about to turn into a vicious argument over the merits of French and American contract law if TL's history is any judge.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
September 19 2011 22:35 GMT
#2002
On September 20 2011 07:34 Ym!r wrote:
Oh by the way.

Is Millenium trying to do the same thing China was doing decades ago ?

Trying to grow French esport and feed French esport by himself without opening abroad

i dont think so. they just want a french team.
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
TolEranceNA
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada434 Posts
September 19 2011 22:35 GMT
#2003
Need more waiting and less drama.
Arotsis:"Nestea, what do you think about Zerg?" Nestea:"...Sad."
chestnutman
Profile Joined March 2011
176 Posts
September 19 2011 22:35 GMT
#2004
Not a day on teamliquid without the drama, lovin it. The sad thing is one of the teams might win the lawsuit, but in the end we will really have 3 losers.
gulbanana
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia56 Posts
September 19 2011 22:35 GMT
#2005
THE RED MENACE, MY FRIENDS. WE MUST DEFEAT THE COLLECTIVIST SWARM. THE LINGS WILL TEAR DOWN THE FACTORIES AND BUILD GULAGS ON THE CREEP IF OUR WARPGATES OF FREEDOM DO NOT DEFEAT THEIR "PEOPLE'S ULTRALISK"

User was warned for this post
Koorb
Profile Joined March 2011
France266 Posts
September 19 2011 22:35 GMT
#2006
On September 20 2011 07:34 Ym!r wrote:
Oh by the way.

Is Millenium trying to do the same thing China was doing decades ago ?

Trying to grow French esport and feed French esport by himself without opening abroad


That what I understood from Mille's manager stream tonight, but others French viewers understood it differently.
Liquipedia
Myusen
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany29 Posts
September 19 2011 22:36 GMT
#2007
On September 20 2011 07:33 Sideburn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 07:26 taLbuk wrote:
On September 20 2011 07:25 Horse...falcon wrote:
I'm a fake lawyer too and in my grand official legal opinion that France is the true victim here. A French citizen was swindled into a contract by a fat, arrogant, racist American and forced to toil for the rest of his life playing in american starcraft tournaments. Luckily French superstar lawyer and NBA point guard Tony Parker was able to rescue our boy hero and win the Olympic Gold medal game from the dirty Americans and bring justice to the universe.


pretty much what any thread involving an American organization will boil down to here on teamliquid


So true. The butthurt runs deep on these forums.

laughed a bit.. thats simply how french ppl are.. silly
<3 Liquid'Snute | nonesports.de
anGe
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium23 Posts
September 19 2011 22:36 GMT
#2008
On September 20 2011 07:30 Megiddosc wrote:
The contract that Stephano signed with coL is not a CDI. So can we please stop talking about that? The whole "trial period" or whatever, or "withdrawal clause"... all that is for a CDI.


Jesus, finally someone brings this up. Because you can't break a CDD. Not if the company doesn't agrees too at least. Although you have a retract time for most of the contracts (at least one week).
Why so serious?
gulbanana
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia56 Posts
September 19 2011 22:36 GMT
#2009
On September 20 2011 07:31 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 07:30 gulbanana wrote:

i'm not "speaking for france". i'm not french, as you guessed. i'm speaking up to say that stephano shouldn't be vilified for making an error of judgement then quickly changing his mind - and that compLexity shouldn't be making insane legal threats with no knowledge of the protections conferred on workers by nations other than the usa.

Except you're making random comments about french law. therefore you kind of are.

Also

Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 07:20 gulbanana wrote:
france doesn't care whether you care whether contracts are in french.


Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 07:30 gulbanana wrote:
i'm not "speaking for france"


Hmmm... Really.....

you don't have to be french to research french law, although jason lane might disagree.
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
September 19 2011 22:37 GMT
#2010
On September 20 2011 07:34 gulbanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 07:31 ZestyPickle wrote:
On September 20 2011 07:30 gulbanana wrote:
On September 20 2011 07:28 anGe wrote:
On September 20 2011 07:18 zhurai wrote:
On September 20 2011 07:17 anGe wrote:
On September 20 2011 07:08 gulbanana wrote:
On September 20 2011 07:06 Ubes wrote:
On September 20 2011 07:03 Ruscour wrote:
On September 20 2011 07:01 najreteip wrote:
[quote]
Why not? Going to university at 18 seems pretty normal to me

I was gonna say, I'm at university right now and I'm 17, studying at uni at 18 isn't out of the norm at all..

Med School at 18 isn't the norm.

in france, medical school begins at an undergraduate level. this is also true in australia, and many other places.

there's a common theme in this thread: people assuming that the way things work in their country is the way they do, and should, work everywhere else.


Well you don't know jack about France apparently. What you're saying about how you can quit your job at any time baffles me. You have to come to an agreement with your company otherwise it's legal for them to sue you so stop posting really because you're making a fool out of yourself.

Not to mention that you keep speaking of the contract but I'm quite sure you didn't see it and if you did I have to agree with the guy saying you're from Mil. And even if you are you don't know anything about international law and that's a shame.

well it does say his country is Australia ...


Well that's my point, this guys keeps speaking for France when he's obviously not French. Because if he is, he better be trolling...

@EvOr, and if you don't do your "pré-avis"'s time they will sue you. The only thing that could "save" Stephano is the retract time of the contract (if there was one to begin with).

i'm not "speaking for france". i'm not french, as you guessed. i'm speaking up to say that stephano shouldn't be vilified for making an error of judgement then quickly changing his mind - and that compLexity shouldn't be making insane legal threats with no knowledge of the protections conferred on workers by nations other than the usa.


I get it now, Australian communist party?

did you just accuse me of being a card-carrying communist? like this was freaking 1950 or something? have i posted through a timewarp into the mccarthy hearings?


40 of your 50 posts have been in this thread and you keep whining about labour. And you deny being a communist. That certainly sounds like something a communist would do, doesn't it?
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
September 19 2011 22:37 GMT
#2011
On September 20 2011 07:36 MightyMaexe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 07:33 Sideburn wrote:
On September 20 2011 07:26 taLbuk wrote:
On September 20 2011 07:25 Horse...falcon wrote:
I'm a fake lawyer too and in my grand official legal opinion that France is the true victim here. A French citizen was swindled into a contract by a fat, arrogant, racist American and forced to toil for the rest of his life playing in american starcraft tournaments. Luckily French superstar lawyer and NBA point guard Tony Parker was able to rescue our boy hero and win the Olympic Gold medal game from the dirty Americans and bring justice to the universe.


pretty much what any thread involving an American organization will boil down to here on teamliquid


So true. The butthurt runs deep on these forums.

laughed a bit.. thats simply how french ppl are.. silly

i think there is a lot of truth in this
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
September 19 2011 22:37 GMT
#2012
On September 20 2011 07:36 gulbanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 07:31 zhurai wrote:
On September 20 2011 07:30 gulbanana wrote:

i'm not "speaking for france". i'm not french, as you guessed. i'm speaking up to say that stephano shouldn't be vilified for making an error of judgement then quickly changing his mind - and that compLexity shouldn't be making insane legal threats with no knowledge of the protections conferred on workers by nations other than the usa.

Except you're making random comments about french law. therefore you kind of are.

Also

On September 20 2011 07:20 gulbanana wrote:
france doesn't care whether you care whether contracts are in french.


On September 20 2011 07:30 gulbanana wrote:
i'm not "speaking for france"


Hmmm... Really.....

you don't have to be french to research french law, although jason lane might disagree.


If by research you mean access wikipedia...
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theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
September 19 2011 22:37 GMT
#2013
Reading wikipedia != understanding law.
Less money for casters, more money for players.
ZestyPickle
Profile Joined July 2011
United States104 Posts
September 19 2011 22:37 GMT
#2014
On September 20 2011 07:36 gulbanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 07:31 zhurai wrote:
On September 20 2011 07:30 gulbanana wrote:

i'm not "speaking for france". i'm not french, as you guessed. i'm speaking up to say that stephano shouldn't be vilified for making an error of judgement then quickly changing his mind - and that compLexity shouldn't be making insane legal threats with no knowledge of the protections conferred on workers by nations other than the usa.

Except you're making random comments about french law. therefore you kind of are.

Also

On September 20 2011 07:20 gulbanana wrote:
france doesn't care whether you care whether contracts are in french.


On September 20 2011 07:30 gulbanana wrote:
i'm not "speaking for france"


Hmmm... Really.....

you don't have to be french to research french law, although jason lane might disagree.


Still waiting for you to research US law
Goggalor
Profile Joined August 2010
United States310 Posts
September 19 2011 22:38 GMT
#2015
What a messed up situation. I feel sorry for Jason Lake, who puts so much work into esports only to have shit like this happen to him.

Millennium and Stephano can bet one thing, they have created many an anti-fan with this dick move.
We are a way for the cosmos to know itself - Carl Sagan
TLUtv
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada18 Posts
September 19 2011 22:38 GMT
#2016
I hate how this has turned into a matter of nationalism, It's nothing of the sort, they used an online contracting service, he agreed and signed his contract, it's fucking despicable to not take responsibility for your actions, I'm disappointed with all the American's on here that are being rude towards french people seeing as though it isn't the country as a wholes fault, simply Stephano's and Millenniums ignorance, as for the french people in the thread that are saying equally bad things about america but also simply agreeing with millennium due to the nationalist card, It's stupid, just stop it, Complexity had all the right to let the public now that they've been wronged in a business aspect and that there should be repercussions, Stephano signed a contract, Millennium didn't want to lose their best sc2 player, so they played dirty and its going to come back to them. Regardless of what was within the legally binding document, Millennium, along with Stephano, has BM'd on probably the highest of levels, They should in my personal opinion have to deal with some sort of ban or repercussions within the starcraft 2 field, whether it be a simple season ban or multiple seasons, This cannot be allowed to happen, It's incidents like these that do not allow E-sports to progress.
Cyrak
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada536 Posts
September 19 2011 22:39 GMT
#2017
I am officially on board with KESPA 2. An organized, respectful international Starcraft scene will never be a reality.
Fortune favors the prepared mind.
Pisko.
Profile Joined August 2011
United States214 Posts
September 19 2011 22:39 GMT
#2018
And people thought having Kespa was a bad thing?
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Chloroplaste
Profile Joined February 2011
France281 Posts
September 19 2011 22:39 GMT
#2019
Stop Flame on Millenium guys :

Millenium said they will send him on all big tournaments all other the world where he can be,
There WILL BE Stephano on MLG, IPL etc...
They always said they WILL SEND Stephano to KOREA if he wants to train 1or2monthmax or specially if he won a GSL spot !

They also announce about their future Gaming house in Marseille that they have maybe found one but they are looking for answer about the connection and more, and it is a 400m² gaming house !
It will be open to players of other teams to train together and they may do a lan like Homestory Cup =)

Millenium is doing a lot to develop Esport in France and in general,
They develop cup with their sponsor with top EU players and will develop bigger lans tournament in future
(like that one MSI Pro Cup #2 )


Millenium and Stephano FIGHTING !!!
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
September 19 2011 22:39 GMT
#2020
On September 20 2011 06:54 Koorb wrote:
Since there are people who still misundertsand things...:

Just to summarize what Lewellys, Millenium's manager, said tonight (Europe timezone) on stream:

- There is indeed a signed legal document that binds Stephano and compLexity. Millenium's staff reviewed it, and told Stephano that there were loopholes in the contract, and that it doesn't comply with French labor law. Subsequently, Lewellys and Millenium's staff advised Stephano to ignore it, which he eventually did.

- Lewellys stated that he didn't know about coL's intentions before the announcement of the transfer on TL Forum. However, he also said that he doesn't know if other people in Millenium's staff were in contact with coL or not.

- He doesn't plan on answering to coL's mails. He also said that he is confident that Millenium is covered by French law on that matters.

- Contrary to Cedrix's (Millenium boss) statement in the OP, there were no "disorienting actions" from coL. The so-called disorienting actions was that they signed the contract during the night (in European time zone), and that Stephano is only 18.

- Lewellys stated that he doesn't plan on sending Stephano to lots of international event, and that he will focus on French events.


Since there are people who post not-so-true facts.... Here is what we heard. Which is not so far, but not so close either.

LwL said he wasn't aware of the negociations, and found that somewhat uncool.
He said they had not answered yet to the mails, it being the night etc, but they should probably do so, since he found fighting over news releases on websites isn't the best way to deal with it.
He found Cedrix's statement a bit harsh.
They ARE planning to send Stephano to IPL3 and MLG Orlando at least, and Stephano plans on going for a short while in Korea.

This is not exactly what you said...
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