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BadBinky
Finland649 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:15 Brettatron wrote: LOL @ people who know nothing about contract law arguing this. Not that I'm an expert, but some people are saying some ridiculous things. There is already plenty of precedence about jurisdiction of contract law internationally. I'm at work right now but I think I might go home after and pull out some old cases just to see how this could play out. Contract law is contract law. Hopefully we can build some precedence so that this does not occur. As best as I can tell, it all comes down to where the contract was made. If it was made in France then their law will apply, which, if the thread is to be believed, has some sort of grace period where you can back out. Determining where it was made would be a matter of HOW it was made. There is precedence set for verbal, by phone, by fax, by mail, by telegram, by email... pretty much by any sort of communication. I can't remember at the moment, but if it is by email I BELIEVE the contract is made once the offeree (Stephano) sends the email, which would mean the contract is made where he sends it, IE France. I could be wrong on that, I'd have to review my contract law. I'm curious how the contract was made now. That, to me, is the key to this. It has been stated that the contract is endorsed in Texas, USA I believe. | ||
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:15 Brettatron wrote: LOL @ people who know nothing about contract law arguing this. Not that I'm an expert, but some people are saying some ridiculous things. There is already plenty of precedence about jurisdiction of contract law internationally. I'm at work right now but I think I might go home after and pull out some old cases just to see how this could play out. Contract law is contract law. Hopefully we can build some precedence so that this does not occur. As best as I can tell, it all comes down to where the contract was made. If it was made in France then their law will apply, which, if the thread is to be believed, has some sort of grace period where you can back out. Determining where it was made would be a matter of HOW it was made. There is precedence set for verbal, by phone, by fax, by mail, by telegram, by email... pretty much by any sort of communication. I can't remember at the moment, but if it is by email I BELIEVE the contract is made once the offeree (Stephano) sends the email, which would mean the contract is made where he sends it, IE France. I could be wrong on that, I'd have to review my contract law. I'm curious how the contract was made now. That, to me, is the key to this. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/kks4e/complexitys_statement_regarding_stephano/c2l2ch6 That should help answer your question. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:15 Brettatron wrote: I'm curious how the contract was made now. That, to me, is the key to this. complexity stating that the contract's under texas jurisdiction would actually be the key to this | ||
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anGe
Belgium23 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:08 gulbanana wrote: in france, medical school begins at an undergraduate level. this is also true in australia, and many other places. there's a common theme in this thread: people assuming that the way things work in their country is the way they do, and should, work everywhere else. Well you don't know jack about France apparently. What you're saying about how you can quit your job at any time baffles me. You have to come to an agreement with your company otherwise it's legal for them to sue you so stop posting really because you're making a fool out of yourself. Not to mention that you keep speaking of the contract but I'm quite sure you didn't see it and if you did I have to agree with the guy saying you're from Mil. And even if you are you don't know anything about international law and that's a shame. | ||
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
Something like this would never happen in real sports (in the US sports scene, Rich Rodriguez and Billy Donovan are examples where - due to breach of contract - reparations had to be paid from one entity to another), and has no place in eSports either. We need to grow up and not allow this behavior to happen; it de-ligitimizes eSports as a whole. I don't know what should happen, but the community definitely needs to unite to stand against actions like this. Either Stephano needs to honor the contract he signed or Millennium needs to buy his contract from compLexity. | ||
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UNeeK
United States237 Posts
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EvOr
France48 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:14 dafunk wrote: Actually the funny thing is that he lied about this too. He isnt going to med school at all and didnt even finished college when he said it... The guy is a liar and a kid, thats all :/ What do you mean by college, since you're french I give you the benefice of the doubt, but right now i think you're just a troll. At 17/18 he's at most out of highschool. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:17 anGe wrote: Well you don't know jack about France apparently. What you're saying about how you can quit your job at any time baffles me. You have to come to an agreement with your company otherwise it's legal for them to sue you so stop posting really because you're making a fool out of yourself. Not to mention that you keep speaking of the contract but I'm quite sure you didn't see it and if you did I have to agree with the guy saying you're from Mil. And even if you are you don't know anything about international law and that's a shame. well it does say his country is Australia ... | ||
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ZestyPickle
United States104 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:16 gulbanana wrote: united states corporations do not have the ability to apply u.s. labour law to french citizens working in france. nor do they want that ability, because of the precedent it would set for expatriates and temp-visa immigrants. Too bad hes working for a US corporation and signed what will be a US contract, therefore he can be found liable for a breech of contract in the US, can they make it apply in France? Maybe maybe not, but it can happen here. | ||
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R3N
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:14 Bone.be wrote: Leave Stephano alone. Both clans are making themselves really ridiculous. Those who are posting all this E-drama on Team liquid even more. Is col going to oblige Stephano to join their clan now? ..................... What? They wanted him in the first place, he is the one who backed out and is now ignoring coL's emails. Complexity have nothing to be ashamed of and they are definitely not the ones looking ridiculous here. | ||
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Cathasaigh
United States285 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:14 Bone.be wrote: Leave Stephano alone. Both clans are making themselves really ridiculous. Those who are posting all this E-drama on Team liquid even more. Is col going to oblige Stephano to join their clan now? ..................... If you actually read this thread or the statements by coL you would have seen that they said they weren't going to force him to play for a team he didn't want to play on. | ||
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
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Myusen
Germany29 Posts
 Never the less its a baaad step by stephano. you can't agree on something and immidiatly disagree again without giving a statement User was warned for this post | ||
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gulbanana
Australia56 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:13 ZestyPickle wrote: Youre so ignorant you think contracts arent valid. Where the hell do you work? Some socialist propaganda office? He is subject to US law, the origin of his employement and contract, and thats all that matters. Dont make this political keep it legal. But seeing as you fail to understand legal laws that seems impossible. that's garbage. employment law, by long standing practice and precedent in all wealthy nations, is applied according to the laws of the host nation, not the originating nation of the employer. you're stating what you hope or guess to be true as fact. | ||
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Bashion
Cook Islands2612 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:13 gulbanana wrote: it wasn't a legally binding contract. there's more to making a contract legally binding than a piece of paper, some words, and a signature. those words must have valid form, and legitimate function. You realize the guy he signed the contract with is a practicing lawyer, yes? | ||
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gulbanana
Australia56 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:39 zhurai wrote: OMG ITS NOT VALID CAUSE ITS NOT IN FRENCH DURRRRRP maybe someone just learn english or learn to use google translate. france doesn't care whether you care whether contracts are in french. | ||
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EvOr
France48 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:17 anGe wrote: Well you don't know jack about France apparently. What you're saying about how you can quit your job at any time baffles me. You have to come to an agreement with your company otherwise it's legal for them to sue you so stop posting really because you're making a fool out of yourself. Not to mention that you keep speaking of the contract but I'm quite sure you didn't see it and if you did I have to agree with the guy saying you're from Mil. And even if you are you don't know anything about international law and that's a shame. Wrong, you can decide to leave whenever you want. You have to wait until the period of "préavis" is finished (3 months at most). Your employer cannot prevent you to leave, he can just ask you to do those 3 months entirely or pay you more if you need to stay one more months to finish a job for instance. | ||
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