EPTI feel bad for complexity.
And goddamn millennium have the balls to diss Col in their letter, too.
Very unprofessional of both Stephano and Millennium.
Stephano contract situation - Page 94
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
I feel bad for complexity. And goddamn millennium have the balls to diss Col in their letter, too. Very unprofessional of both Stephano and Millennium. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:10 HotShizz wrote: T_T True. This makes me sad that they reacted by saying ignore the contract. Whatever the circumstances in which it was signed, short of in danger of life, he signed the contract. What a bad view to just say forget the contract next day. I was so excited too for the Millenium program starting on Thursdays here. Now I am just a bit sad. + refusing to talk to coL at all. | ||
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Kaedeleus
France20 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:10 aderum wrote: The funniest thing in this thread is all the low post french guy who find a way of actually defending Millenium/Stephano... My head hurts. It's also fun to see all the people who speak without knowing | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:08 Zasmu wrote: An important thing is, even if Stephano would have been 22 and the contract he signed would have been totally legal (international,US and french right) which apparently is not, there always must be some kind of retractation possibility (within 1 month or whatever). So, the only thing Stephano has to do, is to say to CoL : "Sorry but i changed my mind". I also would like to add that CoL never directly contacted Millenium in this matter which seems to be really bad mannered. For example, EG contacted Liquid for Huk transfer and Liquid contacted Millenium before for Huk transfer. PS : sorry for my english bro, he said he had 0 contracts with Millenium.. why would he contract a teamless guy's ex team after he quit that team months ago... | ||
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gulbanana
Australia56 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:09 Myles wrote: You don't even understand basic contract law(as proven when calling work length agreements 'barbaric') so stop talking about this like you know anything at all. The fact is that an ACTUAL LAWYER is not exactly sure how this will unfold, so quit acting like you are. workers' rights supersede contract law - at least, everywhere other than the USA. contracts exist only as allowed BY law, and a nation's rules for employment, as democratically enacted, limit what is possible in a contract. i'm entirely in my right to call it barbaric to allow people to sign away years of their lives with no recourse. i don't believe that even america really allows that - you're just ignorant enough to think it does. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:08 ronpaul012 wrote: If he is not under contract, which he wasn't, then the interested team has 0% obligation to contact them. Thats the teams fault for not having a contract to protect their players. When will teams learn? Just have them sign a contract... I personally have to agree with them though, they should've contacted the team first. That being said, there were apparently counter offers going on over the course of just shy of 3 weeks, that isn't really a very good excuse or reason for why the contract was bad. | ||
Koorb
France266 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:07 gulbanana wrote: - the contract wasn't in french - it attempted to subject the employee to a different country's labour laws - it had the form of a contract for fixed service provision, but the function of employment - it made no provision for specification or limitation of a probationary period, yet purported to apply from the date of witness we have been told all these things by compLexity representatives. any of them, alone, would be sufficient to void the document. The only mandatory mention in an employment contract are, according to French labor law: - What job the employee does - The professionnal qualification of the employee - His wages - The collective agreement that contract is related to - If it's a CDI or a CDD. And that's it. Mention to probatory period is not mandatory. | ||
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Cyrak
Canada536 Posts
Day by day I think the foreign scene is learning why KESPA was actually a good idea. | ||
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EvOr
France48 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:08 gulbanana wrote: in france, medical school begins at an undergraduate level. this is also true in australia, and many other places. there's a common theme in this thread: people assuming that the way things work in their country is the way they do, and should, work everywhere else. Thanks, people should look up the country of the poster, it will save them time. In France you start medical studies at University at 17/18 depending if you're born before October or not (some people start earlier), and then you do 5/7(10+) years of studies to reache what you want, it takes dedication and memory guess what a starcraft pro gamer has ? And being a doctor pay better and longer than a stacraft 2 progamer right now, I'd be really surprised if the shit storm or a lawsuit ensues, if Stephano will stick with the game at a pro level. | ||
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Elsid
Ireland318 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:08 gulbanana wrote: in france, medical school begins at an undergraduate level. this is also true in australia, and many other places. there's a common theme in this thread: people assuming that the way things work in their country is the way they do, and should, work everywhere else. Med school in Ireland where the poster you quoted is from starts at undergraduate too , hell some of my friends are in medicine at 18. On topic this whole discussion is pointless until we have more information, everyone in here is just speculating about something they can't possibly know yet. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:11 gulbanana wrote: workers' rights supersede contract law - at least, everywhere other than the USA. contracts exist only as allowed BY law, and a nation's rules for employment, as democratically enacted, limit what is possible in a contract. i'm entirely in my right to call it barbaric to allow people to sign away years of their lives with no recourse. i don't believe that even america really allows that - you're just ignorant enough to think it does. hahahaha. thank you, that was amusing. | ||
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Ym!r
131 Posts
If Millenium lose Stephano, they will no longer have a top SC2 player They chose to tell him the contract is garbage, pretending it's in Stephano's favor to stay with Millenium, when it's not, they don't have half the opportunities coL could provide him Finally, as said by Millenium : " LET S FOCUS ON THE FRENCH LANS" Some people says that the american aren't aware of the world outside of USA, but what about France ? That's seriously selfish from Millenium, they are killing Stephano's carreer, one year in SC2 is a LOT | ||
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ZestyPickle
United States104 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:11 gulbanana wrote: workers' rights supersede contract law - at least, everywhere other than the USA. contracts exist only as allowed BY law, and a nation's rules for employment, as democratically enacted, limit what is possible in a contract. i'm entirely in my right to call it barbaric to allow people to sign away years of their lives with no recourse. i don't believe that even america really allows that - you're just ignorant enough to think it does. Youre so ignorant you think contracts arent valid. Where the hell do you work? Some socialist propaganda office? He is subject to US law, the origin of his employement and contract, and thats all that matters. Dont make this political keep it legal. But seeing as you fail to understand legal laws that seems impossible. | ||
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TLUtv
Canada18 Posts
However, they will try to do what they can to deteriorate Millenium's image enough, so that other organisations will think twice before doing something like that. [/QUOTE] I wouldn't say its too costly and pointless, Millennium is a company just as they are, They both produce revenue, They have an easy win so time in court would be minimal, as for the actual numbers of money lost, it's probably nothing major, It's still saddening to see a professional team brush a contract off their shoulder simply because "It doesn't abide by their labor laws" He joined the team fair and square and should be sued or forced into compensation for their time and effort, A contract isn't some simple piece of information that you can create yourself. There is legal bindings behind it that are frequently looked over by lawyers and whatever other means needed. Anyways, YOU FUCKED UP MILLENNIUM AND STEPHANO, MAY THE WRATH OF E-SPORTS INCUR UNTO YOUR COMPANY, FOR YOU HAVE SHAMED YOURSELVES AND YOUR COMMUNITY. besides that, I think it just goes to show, French people can win battles, but they've still never won a war. | ||
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gulbanana
Australia56 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:38 keioh wrote: So a legally binding contract is not a legal contract ? Shit, world doesn't make sense anymore. Hate will prevail as usual. it wasn't a legally binding contract. there's more to making a contract legally binding than a piece of paper, some words, and a signature. those words must have valid form, and legitimate function. | ||
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pewpew444
United States121 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:10 L3g3nd_ wrote: he is the more responsible one... he signed a contract with coL then said he wants to say at mill. This whole thing is all caused by him. I agree but I didn't want to sound biased. | ||
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:06 Grumbels wrote: I don't understand why it's such a big deal. If Stephano signs a contract and then within 24 hours decides against it then why is it so bad to have him be able to break the contract? It's not like there are any damages done to Complexity, since the time period was too short for him to compete in any event or anything. Because after Stephano breaks the contract he is in the exact same situation as he would have been in had he not signed it in the first place. Rather, I see a lot of people from the USA being ignorant of the fact the rest of the world doesn't have as terrible consumer protection as them. All this talk of "a man is only as good as his worth" and "you can't just walk away from a contract, that's not how the world works" are almost USA specific notions and you can't just impose them on others on an international forum. Wait what? Consumer protection is much more rigorous in the US than in Europe. In fact most people complain that US consumer protection is TOO strong. This is the first time I've heard someone argue the opposite... ...And wtf does this have to do with consumer protection? Stephano is not a consumer but an employee.... | ||
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gulbanana
Australia56 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:38 ZestyPickle wrote: No. You have no idea of the actual wording, and I guarantee you that if he signed his name, regardless of whatever the fuck was written down he will be held accountable for something. on what basis are you making this guarantee? | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:13 gulbanana wrote: it wasn't a legally binding contract. there's more to making a contract legally binding than a piece of paper, some words, and a signature. those words must have valid form, and legitimate function. What, have you read the contract? | ||
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ZestyPickle
United States104 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:13 gulbanana wrote: it wasn't a legally binding contract. there's more to making a contract legally binding than a piece of paper, some words, and a signature. those words must have valid form, and legitimate function. Which they do you.. you are so ignorant | ||
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