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Really unprofessionnal from mill/stephano, I hope coL have some viable legal actions.
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On September 20 2011 06:34 Tamotab wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:28 Skeet11 wrote:
Man, I don't know who to call the bigger dick. Millenium for persuing Stephano after signing a contract with compLexity, or Stephano for actually turning his back from compLexity after signing the deal with them. And no statements from Mill or Stephano? Wtf. Llewellys (team manager/caster) from Mill just spent more than one hour to explain Mill position and answer live question from viewers about this mess. A lot of people asked him to post an official statement on TL, but basically he said he doesn't care what the international community thinks and that a few days from now all this drama will be forgotten/yesterday news.
Sounds like a very nice person that doesn't care what we think? See if we welcome him at MLGs or NASLs or anything. Jeez, why doesn't he just release a statement and play nice with us.
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On September 20 2011 06:33 gulbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you forgot now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind" do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from? do you somehow genuinely think that people should just sign a _legal contract_ and be allowed to just say "fuck it I don't need to do it lolololol" what century are you from? stephano did not sign a legal contract. he signed something a jumped-up american idiot thought would bind him under Texas law. doesn't work that way, and no french court would extradite him for it.
So a legally binding contract is not a legal contract ? Shit, world doesn't make sense anymore. Hate will prevail as usual.
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On September 20 2011 06:27 BrodiaQ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:11 Marcus420 wrote:
jason lake seems to be a layer himself and looks for any attempt too sue someone.It'd be in good taste, if stephano wants too stay with millenium, too just let him stay and don't FORCE him on your team with legal bullshit.
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999 :D As was previously said any action would be taken against Millenium and not Stephano. Also if he was so quick to sue someone he would have sued Destiny when he straight broke the contract he had with Col. Clearly he didn't.
As I see it, they are more just considering it to try to get people to understand that people's actions, even if it's "only a game" have consequences. Seems so many people don't take it seriously, while obviously the people behind those teams feel quite differently.
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On September 20 2011 06:36 Kaedeleus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:32 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:28 Chargelot wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
..... I don't understand why people like this get involved in the conversation, if they are so willfully ignorant that they don't understand the purpose or intents of a -- any -- business. You can't sign a contract, and then in less than a day after it's made public decline to follow through with your LEGAL obligations. It is illegal.. this contract was not valid and did not confer any legal obligations. it wasn't even in french, let alone in the valid form of a contract of employment. Finally someone says something true, the contract is not valid in the eyes of the law, we must not look any further
No. You have no idea of the actual wording, and I guarantee you that if he signed his name, regardless of whatever the fuck was written down he will be held accountable for something.
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On September 20 2011 06:35 Redox wrote:
In a strange way I like this.
Two teams fighting hard to sign a player, shit is getting real in E-sports! :D
They actually didnt really fight about signing him - he signed with both of them anyways... Makes it even funnier :p
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Even if he is 18. He said to them on skype YESTERDAY he will join, and they announce it today? Did they fax a contract or what?
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sounds a little immature on stephano's part.... we will have to see what happens.
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On September 20 2011 06:38 keioh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:33 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you forgot now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind" do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from? do you somehow genuinely think that people should just sign a _legal contract_ and be allowed to just say "fuck it I don't need to do it lolololol" what century are you from? stephano did not sign a legal contract. he signed something a jumped-up american idiot thought would bind him under Texas law. doesn't work that way, and no french court would extradite him for it. So a legally binding contract is not a legal contract ? Shit, world doesn't make sense anymore. Hate will prevail as usual.
Doesn't mater if they extradite him, he will have a hard time competing in US events, guess he can enjoy the flourishing french scene
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On September 20 2011 06:36 Kaedeleus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:32 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:28 Chargelot wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
..... I don't understand why people like this get involved in the conversation, if they are so willfully ignorant that they don't understand the purpose or intents of a -- any -- business. You can't sign a contract, and then in less than a day after it's made public decline to follow through with your LEGAL obligations. It is illegal.. this contract was not valid and did not confer any legal obligations. it wasn't even in french, let alone in the valid form of a contract of employment. Finally someone says something true, the contract is not valid in the eyes of the law, we must not look any further
OMG ITS NOT VALID CAUSE ITS NOT IN FRENCH DURRRRRP
maybe someone just learn english or learn to use google translate.
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On September 20 2011 06:35 gulbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:28 Myles wrote:On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you forgot now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind" do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from? I live in the 21st century where contracts (should) mean something. So no, I don't think if you sign a contract saying you'll be with a company for x days/months/years/whatever, that you can quit said contract whenever you want. Not with out consequences at least. barbaric. anybody should be able to quit their job, with a given notice period. as is the case in basically every country in the world. i hear some u.s. states don't actually allow that, which is insane - you can really sign your life away for X months or years without a chance to go back on it? surely not.
You're thinking of this in the employment category, which this is "surely not". Stephano was acting more as an independent contractor. This means the contract would have mutual obligations from both sides, and be more similar to a business to business deal than an employee-employer contract.
Do businesses just up and break contracts in your country? To think that some countries allow that is simply insane - you can really agree to do a job and then back out with no repercussions? Surely not.
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Complexity' ways of business are quite disturbing, harassing a player who just went full time starcraft and trying to trap him with a "legal/ contract
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On September 20 2011 06:38 justinpal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:34 Tamotab wrote:On September 20 2011 06:28 Skeet11 wrote:
Man, I don't know who to call the bigger dick. Millenium for persuing Stephano after signing a contract with compLexity, or Stephano for actually turning his back from compLexity after signing the deal with them. And no statements from Mill or Stephano? Wtf. Llewellys (team manager/caster) from Mill just spent more than one hour to explain Mill position and answer live question from viewers about this mess. A lot of people asked him to post an official statement on TL, but basically he said he doesn't care what the international community thinks and that a few days from now all this drama will be forgotten/yesterday news. Sounds like a very nice person that doesn't care what we think? See if we welcome him at MLGs or NASLs or anything. Jeez, why doesn't he just release a statement and play nice with us.
Wow, And I thought I was miss reading him at Home Story Cup as being ignorant.
I hope he cuts his pinky off for being such a smart ass. Even idra who doesn't give a shit on anybody realizes FANS ARE IMPORTANT!!
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Does Mill have a dude sitting at a computer rapidly switching between accounts and spreading propaganda in this thread?
because all the sub-10 post accounts coming in here all "bla bla bla contract doesn't count I'm not listening" is astounding
It's also a massive failure that's just making the "french" side look even worse
(disclaimer I cannot believe these are even real people, let alone an accurate representation of french sentiment.)
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I pretty much don't care what Stephano ends up doing, but to me it sounds like Complexity made him a great offer (on a- let's face it- much better equipped team) and he signed a contract. Millenium, having though he wouldn't have signed then made an appeal to him, possibly an emotional one, as a last ditch effort and Stephano changed his mind. So, having lost the bidding war with Col., Mill. let Col. make and Stephano sign a contract before making their final appeal, effectively preventing Col. from further negotiating with Stephano. It's a really shitty move by Mill. Col. will probably sue for damages unless Stephano promptly changes his mind. I doubt they will sue Stephano for breach of contract, though.
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On September 20 2011 06:35 gulbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:28 Myles wrote:On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you forgot now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind" do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from? I live in the 21st century where contracts (should) mean something. So no, I don't think if you sign a contract saying you'll be with a company for x days/months/years/whatever, that you can quit said contract whenever you want. Not with out consequences at least. barbaric. anybody should be able to quit their job, with a given notice period. as is the case in basically every country in the world. i hear some u.s. states don't actually allow that, which is insane - you can really sign your life away for X months or years without a chance to go back on it? surely not.
anyone can quit a job, but there may be consequences for doing so. this isn't barbaric, it simply makes sense. and the terms of those consequences are laid out in contracts signed pre-employment. there is nothing malicious or odd about this, it's done around the world.
anyone can breach a contract. nothing can prevent that. however, contracts exist to provide a legal remedy for the breach. there is nothing wrong with pursuing such remedies, as they improve the structure of contract use as a whole.
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On September 20 2011 06:39 Phayt wrote:
Does Mill have a dude sitting at a computer rapidly switching between accounts and spreading propaganda in this thread?
because all the sub-10 post accounts coming in here all "bla bla bla contract doesn't count I'm not listening" is astounding
It's also a massive failure that's just making the "french" side look even worse
(disclaimer I cannot believe these are even real people, let alone an accurate representation of french sentiment.)
I had a feeling about that too.... -_____-'
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Holy what is this? I really want to hear what Stephano and Millenium has to say, but if what coL is saying is true, I really don't know how Stephano can justify what he did. You cannot just sign a legal contract and walk away with zero consequences. I would never want to see a progamer/team embroiled in legal battles, but something has to be done here. It sets an awful precedence if actions like these are left unpunished.
Oh, and SHAME on Steph & Mil for ignoring to even talk with coL. That's really low. You guys have lost my respect.
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On September 20 2011 06:39 Kinetic42 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:35 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:28 Myles wrote:On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you forgot now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind" do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from? I live in the 21st century where contracts (should) mean something. So no, I don't think if you sign a contract saying you'll be with a company for x days/months/years/whatever, that you can quit said contract whenever you want. Not with out consequences at least. barbaric. anybody should be able to quit their job, with a given notice period. as is the case in basically every country in the world. i hear some u.s. states don't actually allow that, which is insane - you can really sign your life away for X months or years without a chance to go back on it? surely not. You're thinking of this in the employment category, which this is "surely not". Stephano was acting more as an independent contractor. This means the contract would have mutual obligations from both sides, and be more similar to a business to business deal than an employee-employer contract. Do businesses just up and break contracts in your country? To think that some countries allow that is simply insane - you can really agree to do a job and then back out with no repercussions? Surely not.
Great first post! Cheers, bro, thanks for being a voice of reason.
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On September 20 2011 06:32 gulbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:28 Chargelot wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
..... I don't understand why people like this get involved in the conversation, if they are so willfully ignorant that they don't understand the purpose or intents of a -- any -- business. You can't sign a contract, and then in less than a day after it's made public decline to follow through with your LEGAL obligations. It is illegal.. this contract was not valid and did not confer any legal obligations. it wasn't even in french, let alone in the valid form of a contract of employment.
So contracts have to be in French? Stop posting. You're shilling for Millenium pretty obviously and you have no clue what you're talking about.
If Stephano signed a lawful contract with the U.S. a French court could presume that he submitted to the contract laws of that employer's nation. A U.S. contract does not have to uphold to French contract law.
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