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On September 20 2011 06:32 gulbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:28 Chargelot wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
..... I don't understand why people like this get involved in the conversation, if they are so willfully ignorant that they don't understand the purpose or intents of a -- any -- business. You can't sign a contract, and then in less than a day after it's made public decline to follow through with your LEGAL obligations. It is illegal.. this contract was not valid and did not confer any legal obligations. it wasn't even in french, let alone in the valid form of a contract of employment.
1, show me the contract since you've read it.
2. it made him a contractor, not an employee. Way to not understand any part of the contract which you have clearly read.
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On September 20 2011 06:28 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you forgot now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind" do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from? I live in the 21st century where contracts (should) mean something. So no, I don't think if you sign a contract saying you'll be with a company for x days/months/years/whatever, that you can quit said contract whenever you want. Not with out consequences at least. barbaric. anybody should be able to quit their job, with a given notice period. as is the case in basically every country in the world. i hear some u.s. states don't actually allow that, which is insane - you can really sign your life away for X months or years without a chance to go back on it? surely not.
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On September 20 2011 06:35 euroboy wrote:
Ok just wait..
Col announces TODAY when Stephano agrees YESTERDAY he will join in a Skype call.
"He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization." Executes? How? And isn't Stephano 17, doesn't he need parents to sign aswell?
Someone jumped the gun here, if it is a "contract over skype" at least here in Sweden we have a legal right to change our mind if we engage in a contract over phone, where you explicitly say "I, [name] agree with bla bla". Is that what happened here?
no he is 18 years old.
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In a strange way I like this.
Two teams fighting hard to sign a player, shit is getting real in E-sports! :D
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On September 20 2011 06:34 Tamotab wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:28 Skeet11 wrote:
Man, I don't know who to call the bigger dick. Millenium for persuing Stephano after signing a contract with compLexity, or Stephano for actually turning his back from compLexity after signing the deal with them. And no statements from Mill or Stephano? Wtf. A lot of people asked him to post an official statement on TL, but basically he said he doesn't care what the international community thinks and that a few days from now all this drama will be forgotten/yesterday news.
Wishful thinking
The internet does not forget
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On September 20 2011 06:32 gulbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:28 Chargelot wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
..... I don't understand why people like this get involved in the conversation, if they are so willfully ignorant that they don't understand the purpose or intents of a -- any -- business. You can't sign a contract, and then in less than a day after it's made public decline to follow through with your LEGAL obligations. It is illegal.. this contract was not valid and did not confer any legal obligations. it wasn't even in french, let alone in the valid form of a contract of employment.
well i'm glad we have you here to give us the straight facts that couldn't possibly be wrong in any fashion and should clearly be recognized by the rest of the community. /s
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On September 20 2011 06:28 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you forgot now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind" do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from? You're allowed to quit but you're usually not allowed to join a competitor if you've signed a contract. actually, "non-compete" clauses are illegal in most first-world nations, and even in some major american states.
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On September 20 2011 06:35 Teael wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:34 Tamotab wrote:On September 20 2011 06:28 Skeet11 wrote:
Man, I don't know who to call the bigger dick. Millenium for persuing Stephano after signing a contract with compLexity, or Stephano for actually turning his back from compLexity after signing the deal with them. And no statements from Mill or Stephano? Wtf. A lot of people asked him to post an official statement on TL, but basically he said he doesn't care what the international community thinks and that a few days from now all this drama will be forgotten/yesterday news. Wishful thinking The internet does not forget
Esports wont forget
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On September 20 2011 06:33 gulbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:26 gulbanana wrote:On September 20 2011 06:23 zhurai wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
you forgot now people don't care about contracts because they can just "change their mind" do you somehow genuinely think that people shouldn't be allowed to quit their job? what century are you from? do you somehow genuinely think that people should just sign a _legal contract_ and be allowed to just say "fuck it I don't need to do it lolololol" what century are you from? stephano did not sign a legal contract. he signed something a jumped-up american idiot thought would bind him under Texas law. doesn't work that way, and no french court would extradite him for it.
And the Australians would say that it's perfectly fine to not hold on to an agreement, cuz you found a loophole in it? That's amazing =)
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On September 20 2011 06:32 gulbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:28 Chargelot wrote:On September 20 2011 06:22 Tanith wrote:
what a loads of stupid drama this has became, how this should of gone whether the contract is legal or not:
Stephano signs contract with col
Stephano change his mind
coL say fuck it, if he change his mind so easily and shits on us this way we don't want or need him, we lost a months worth of negotiations its sucks get over it
Stephano and mil look like idiots
case closed
All this legal, lawsuit blah blah blah fucking zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
..... I don't understand why people like this get involved in the conversation, if they are so willfully ignorant that they don't understand the purpose or intents of a -- any -- business. You can't sign a contract, and then in less than a day after it's made public decline to follow through with your LEGAL obligations. It is illegal.. this contract was not valid and did not confer any legal obligations. it wasn't even in french, let alone in the valid form of a contract of employment.
Finally someone says something true, the contract is not valid in the eyes of the law, we must not look any further
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Millenniums post seems to me like
"arg arg French Nationalsim trumps contracts!"
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On September 20 2011 06:29 gulbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:25 FlamingTurd wrote:
This is seriously bad. He signed the contract and Millenium is acting like just because he felt like staying that he can disregard that contract. What total BS that whole thing is. no, they're acting like because it wasn't a valid contract he can disregard it. signatures on bits of paper aren't magic. they're private agreements to do commerce, governed by multiple tiers of regulation. in this case, those laws don't allow for such an agreement.
I find it hard to believe that the contract he signed wasn't valid. Everyone here realizes that Jason Lake owned a law firm for several years right? I doubt someone that actually was an attorney and owned his own firm would mess up something as simple as a contract. If this goes into legal action Millenium better watch out, because Jason Lake knows a lot of people and the attorneys they'd have wouldn't even compare to Millenium. Millenium I'll warn you now, Complexity knows what they're doing I'd watch your next move.
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On September 20 2011 06:29 Sadistx wrote:
Stephano is very young, maybe he just doesn't understand how contracts work and what he signed was legally binding?
it wasn't, though. he had a correct understanding of the law of france, which is where he lives, because he's french.
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On September 20 2011 06:29 Sadistx wrote:Stephano is very young, maybe he just doesn't understand how contracts work and what he signed was legally binding? I mean he's just a kid that plays starcraft 
That's like saying "I didn't know that killing people was against the law. therefore YOU CANT PUT ME IN JAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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On September 20 2011 06:25 gulbanana wrote:
it's a JOB. you are allowed to quit a job, if you want, because in 2011 most people aren't slaves. in france, you have the right to quit a job without notice within the probation period. even without that he could have just given notice, and been "on complexity" for 2 weeks! how would that have been substantially different?
Umm yes you can always quit your job, but there are consequences.
For example a soccer or baseball player chooses not to play they have every right to do that, they cannot however go and play for another team.
So our French friend here can say I don’t want to play, but then he can’t play for another team.
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On September 20 2011 06:28 Jerubaal wrote:
tl;dr: Stephano decided to sign with Complexity and then Millenium guilt-tripped him.
Pretty much.
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On September 20 2011 06:34 Tamotab wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:28 Skeet11 wrote:
Man, I don't know who to call the bigger dick. Millenium for persuing Stephano after signing a contract with compLexity, or Stephano for actually turning his back from compLexity after signing the deal with them. And no statements from Mill or Stephano? Wtf. Llewellys (team manager/caster) from Mill just spent more than one hour to explain Mill position and answer live question from viewers about this mess. A lot of people asked him to post an official statement on TL, but basically he said he doesn't care what the international community thinks and that a few days from now all this drama will be forgotten/yesterday news.
He didn't say he didn't care, but he said that everybody was blowing this out of proportions, and that in "internet time", all this would be forgotten in two weeks.
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On September 20 2011 06:35 DertoQq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:29 Sadistx wrote:Stephano is very young, maybe he just doesn't understand how contracts work and what he signed was legally binding? I mean he's just a kid that plays starcraft And from what I heard on the millenium stream, mille manager basically came to see him and told him the contract he just signed was meaningless and heavily flawed. So I think it's more millenium's fault than Stephano's. (if mille's manager was wrong about the contract)
18 year old kid, thats sad.
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On September 20 2011 06:21 mechavoc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 05:55 Paladia wrote:
As a law student, I cannot stress enough how bad of an idea it would be to take legal action. Even if both organisations were in the same country the cost could be more than the yearly turnover of both organisations combined. Doing it internationally is simply not a real option.
This is without even considering the legal basis of the claim. I've taken a look at some esports contracts between large organisations (such as SK-Gaming) and their players and the contracts are full of major holes and flaws, to say the least. This is after they've recruited a legal firm to "take a look at it".
As such, I am 100% sure that CoL will not take any legal action, as it could very likely be the end of them. Paladia as a law student you really are 100% sure?? Let me tell you something real lawyers are never 100% sure about anything and always qualify their statements so there are outs. This situation is the reason 1 page contracts turn into 500 page epic novels. Lawyers they are the real winners. It is a shame but what Mil did here is why the the world has become a legal landmine so much wasted time and money on papering something that should be (in the ideal world) confirmed with only someones word and a handshake.
About the legal situation. No, I am not sure at all and as such would never state anything about it. I won't even give an educated guess about the legal situation in this case, as I have no facts on the table. I am however sure what CoL will do in the end, which is not taking legal action. It will simply take too long and cost too much while they have nothing to gain from it economically.
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