EPTOn September 20 2011 06:32 jeppie1 wrote:
It's all about whether he signed a contract with col already...
It's all about whether he signed a contract with col already...
He did.
Stephano contract situation - Page 77
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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gulbanana
Australia56 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote: stephano did not sign a legal contract. he signed something a jumped-up american idiot thought would bind him under Texas law. doesn't work that way, and no french court would extradite him for it. do you somehow genuinely think that people should just sign a _legal contract_ and be allowed to just say "fuck it I don't need to do it lolololol" what century are you from? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:31 anrimayu wrote: A squad of mercenaries hired by the evil coL barged into Stephano's house at 3 in the morning, held a gun to his head, and forced him to sign a paper. I know this because I'm one of them. I'm leaking this info since coL is refused to pay us, saying our contract is invalid because it was signed at 2:58am. Hahahahaha I wish my signature could be that long, cause that would definitely be my new sig. <3<3<3<3 | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:32 Otolia wrote: What happens if you have carpal tunnel in-between 2 tournaments ? Are you protected by your employer ? So much gray area. Saying it was a contractor agreement makes coL look bad. No, you SHOW UP because you are LEGALLY BOUND. There isn't much to it. Ever had legal obligations? I have. You do them RAIN OR SHINE, bro. Manner up. | ||
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
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Jisunsu
Philippines47 Posts
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gulbanana
Australia56 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:28 Gheed wrote: You don't know the terms of the contract. Nobody but complexity and milenium do. Don't post ignorant shit like this. For all we know, Complexity contracted Stephano not as a salaried employee, but as a contractor who would attend certain events and carry the Complexity tag. under french law a contract of service provision for an ongoing effort of labour will be deemed an employment contract, regardless of whether you write the word "Salary" or "Contractor" in it. | ||
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Candide
456 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:33 XRaDiiX wrote: Check the Link i just updated in my Post. go find chill's last post and remove your link. He already said he completely misread it. | ||
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Tamotab
France38 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:28 Skeet11 wrote: Man, I don't know who to call the bigger dick. Millenium for persuing Stephano after signing a contract with compLexity, or Stephano for actually turning his back from compLexity after signing the deal with them. And no statements from Mill or Stephano? Wtf. Llewellys (team manager/caster) from Mill just spent more than one hour to explain Mill position and answer live question from viewers about this mess. A lot of people asked him to post an official statement on TL, but basically he said he doesn't care what the international community thinks and that a few days from now all this drama will be forgotten/yesterday news. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
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PonyWA
19 Posts
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ZestyPickle
United States104 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:33 XRaDiiX wrote: Check the Link i just updated in my Post. That means nothing US law for the fucking 1000000000th time is still applicable | ||
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BrodiaQ
United States892 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:25 Kaedeleus wrote: CoL may be an agreement with a Korean team but the players do not have the level to go there, basically they just buy Korean players Drewbie is already there. | ||
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euroboy
Sweden536 Posts
Col announces TODAY when Stephano agrees YESTERDAY he will join in a Skype call. "He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization." Executes? How? And isn't Stephano 17, doesn't he need parents to sign aswell? Someone jumped the gun here, if it is a "contract over skype" at least here in Sweden we have a legal right to change our mind if we engage in a contract over phone, where you explicitly say "I, [name] agree with bla bla". Is that what happened here? Nokh on Stephanos stream chat even said Col announced this 1 week before agreed announcement. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:31 XRaDiiX wrote: Except for the Contract was not within legal bounds the purported 'Contract' That CoL made Stephano Sign. Complexity has been around for a long-ass time and one of it's key members is a lawyer, I highly doubt they'd have problems drafting a contract that is valid, particularly in regards to US laws. The validity of the contract is something that you, nor I have enough information to question or support. Based on what we know, Stephano did sign a contract with Complexity and in this regard I would have problems making it clear that the shit pulled by him and Mil can not fly in the world of eSports. On September 20 2011 06:35 euroboy wrote: Ok just wait.. Col announces TODAY when Stephano agrees YESTERDAY he will join in a Skype call. "He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization." Executes? How? And isn't Stephano 17, doesn't he need parents to sign aswell? Someone jumped the gun here, if it is a "contract over skype" at least here in Sweden we have a legal right to change our mind if we engage in a contract over phone, where you explicitly say "I, [name] agree with bla bla". Is that what happened here? Stephano is 18, and it was a written contract following 18 days of offers and negotiation according to Complexity. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:33 gulbanana wrote: stephano did not sign a legal contract. he signed something a jumped-up american idiot thought would bind him under Texas law. doesn't work that way, and no french court would extradite him for it. so now you're calling the coL lawyers "jumped-up american idiots"? also the fact that just because "the contract makes no sense in France" doesn't mean it isn't a _legal contract_. | ||
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Popcorn1
United States92 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:33 Paladia wrote: Of course but as others read it as well I may as well state the obvious. As for the contracts, yes, they will have to be enforced eventually if enough money is in the scene. It is getting to that point but as of yet the organisations do not have the financial muscles to go through with a law suit of this type, at least not internationally. It could likely lead to bankruptcy. For even if they would win, what would they gain? Who ever they sue will likely not be able to pay their legal fees anyway, and as for the actual damages by the breach, those are minimal if even existent in itself. It should also be noted that this is not how it is done in the sports world. It would take too long and cost too much to go through the standard court system. You don't go around sueing players or organisations left and right. It is solved by some kind of court of arbitration, there is even a specific one for sports. If CoL were knowledgeable about this and had a solid contract, they would have made sure to use a court of arbitration in their contract and as such we would know nothing about this (as it is kept secret). In the contract it states, The jurisdiction is Texas, USA | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:29 Sadistx wrote: Stephano is very young, maybe he just doesn't understand how contracts work and what he signed was legally binding? I mean he's just a kid that plays starcraft  And from what I heard on the millenium stream, mille manager basically came to see him and told him the contract he just signed was meaningless and heavily flawed. So I think it's more millenium's fault than Stephano's. (if mille's manager was wrong about the contract) | ||
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Dayrlan
United States248 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:29 Sadistx wrote: Stephano is very young, maybe he just doesn't understand how contracts work and what he signed was legally binding? I mean he's just a kid that plays starcraft I mean, I'd make this entire, current post in Spanish, and then try to plead ignorance of Commandment 7, but I don't think the mods would care. Ignorance of the law/rules is never an excuse - in any scenario I can think of. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:35 euroboy wrote: Ok just wait.. Col announces TODAY when Stephano agrees YESTERDAY he will join in a Skype call. "He then executed a legally binding contract with our organization." Executes? How? And isn't Stephano 17, doesn't he need parents to sign aswell? Someone jumped the gun here, if it is a "contract over skype" at least here in Sweden we have a legal right to change our mind if we engage in a contract over phone, where you explicitly say "I, [name] agree with bla bla". Is that what happened here? He's 18 | ||
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