EPTStephano contract situation - Page 80
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Moosy
Canada396 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
CHUCK MOTHERFUCKING OCEAN | ||
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Teael
United States724 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:39 Gowa wrote: Complexity' ways of business are quite disturbing, harassing a player who just went full time starcraft and trying to trap him with a "legal/ contract Yeah, because most full-time jobs don't require you to sign a contract... Oh, wait. | ||
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Latty
Germany567 Posts
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:33 gulbanana wrote: stephano did not sign a legal contract. he signed something a jumped-up american idiot thought would bind him under Texas law. doesn't work that way, and no french court would extradite him for it. Stop posting, you know nothing of Law at all, yet you keep pumping these presumptions left and right. If he signed a piece of paper, he signed a contract, and until a court of law judges that it is legal or not you can't infer anything specific (especially since you havent seen said piece of paper) And yes, a French individual can be binded under Texas law. and yes, a French court would say its binding if its legal in Texas and Texas had jurisdiction in regards to said contract (which again, you cant know, you dont have the piece of paper), that is called international law, and it binds France. | ||
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Megiddosc
United States966 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:36 Kaedeleus wrote: Finally someone says something true, the contract is not valid in the eyes of the law, we must not look any further There's no reason to quote yourself. | ||
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Dayrlan
United States248 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:39 Gowa wrote: Complexity' ways of business are quite disturbing, harassing a player who just went full time starcraft and trying to trap him with a "legal/ contract Wait. Negotiating is harassing, and signing a contract is entrapment? This doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:40 zhurai wrote: I had a feeling about that too.... -_____-' I'll be watching the ban thread closely to see if they're all the same person. | ||
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ranjutan
United States636 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:39 Gowa wrote: Complexity' ways of business are quite disturbing, harassing a player who just went full time starcraft and trying to trap him with a "legal/ contract "fully knowing the contents of a contract, then signing it willingly" = "being harassed" lol | ||
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gulbanana
Australia56 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:29 Callosum wrote: this is rather sloppy legal reasoning. first, in america as in everywhere else on the planet, offers for employment exist up until acceptance of that offer, upon which assent creates a binding contract. binding means that certain legal consequences arise from breach of said agreement. this is true everywhere, because without consequences, basic business functions would be impossible. i don't know which court will eventually take jurisdiction or what laws will apply or even if there exists a binding contract in this particular case, but please don't pretend like america is contract-obsessed while other countries are not. contracts are respected, encouraged, and enforced across the globe to the benefit of everyone. without contracts, the machine you submitted your post on would not exist. if complexity has a binding agreement, i hope they enforce it to the furthest extent possible. without legal success and the protection of team assets, kiss teams, mlg, dreakhack, etc. goodbye. first, thanks for engaging my point. most people don't seem to be applying any sort of reason to this issue. however: the issue of international employment law is not actually complicated. i've been subject to it before, and the simple answer is this: when you employ someone in a country, you do so under the employment laws OF that country. the USA has probably the least protections for workers of any first-world nation, and it's considered normal there to sign a contract which says, basically, anything - it varies from state to state of course. in other places, there are generally certain conditions which have to be respected to hire someone - and whether your contract is hiring someone is ALSO defined in law. in this case, coL's 'contract' was definitely a attempt to employ someone under french law, and definitely not a valid one. french law is also definitely what applies. stephano made a rushed decision late at night, woke up regretting it, took it to his team to see if he could get out of it - and found out that he could. it's good that he was able to, because one of the protections that nations should provide to their citizens is a basic restriction on how much their lives can be up-ended by hasty or accidental decisionmaking. | ||
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euroboy
Sweden536 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:41 TurpinOS wrote: Stop posting, you know nothing of Law at all, yet you keep pumping these presumptions left and right. If he signed a piece of paper, he signed a contract, and until a court of law judges that it is legal or not you can't infer anything specific (especially since you havent seen said piece of paper) And yes, a French individual can be binded under Texas law. How do you know he signed a paper? | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
Well, not really, he just seem trust someone who knows more than him (his manager). Which is understandable. | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:39 Gowa wrote: Complexity' ways of business are quite disturbing, harassing a player who just went full time starcraft and trying to trap him with a "legal/ contract Are you trolling? | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:39 Gowa wrote: Complexity' ways of business are quite disturbing, harassing a player who just went full time starcraft and trying to trap him with a "legal/ contract Trying to trap him? Wtf? They want him to sign with a team, and in the real world we don't just give people thousands of dollars because they give us their word. | ||
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Callosum
United States56 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:39 theBOOCH wrote: I pretty much don't care what Stephano ends up doing, but to me it sounds like Complexity made him a great offer (on a- let's face it- much better equipped team) and he signed a contract. Millenium, having though he wouldn't have signed then made an appeal to him, possibly an emotional one, as a last ditch effort and Stephano changed his mind. So, having lost the bidding war with Col., Mill. let Col. make and Stephano sign a contract before making their final appeal, effectively preventing Col. from further negotiating with Stephano. It's a really shitty move by Mill. Col. will probably sue for damages unless Stephano promptly changes his mind. I doubt they will sue Stephano for breach of contract, though. agreed. they should sue millennium to get at the deeper pockets. however, they should include stephano in the suit as he performed the breach. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:39 Phayt wrote: Does Mill have a dude sitting at a computer rapidly switching between accounts and spreading propaganda in this thread? because all the sub-10 post accounts coming in here all "bla bla bla contract doesn't count I'm not listening" is astounding It's also a massive failure that's just making the "french" side look even worse (disclaimer I cannot believe these are even real people, let alone an accurate representation of french sentiment.) I wanted to post something similar in reply to one of the many french posts here defending Stephano. Sure, I realize french players will have some sort of national pride, and their initial reaction may probably be support for Stephano and their local SC2 powerhouse Mill. That's alright, I feel similar about german players. But the amount of post here directly calling Complexity trash or bullies and defending Stephano as if he's some innocent kid that has been taken advantage of is laughable. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
How do you know he didn't? | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:35 gulbanana wrote: barbaric. anybody should be able to quit their job, with a given notice period. as is the case in basically every country in the world. i hear some u.s. states don't actually allow that, which is insane - you can really sign your life away for X months or years without a chance to go back on it? surely not. How the fuck is it barbaric? It's absolutely civilized, you agree to something, you go through with it. You change your mind, you both discuss it and if the person you agreed to it with is alright with it, they let you off. If you're of age and not mentally handicapped, you're expected to have the ability to judge whether or not you want to commit to something. We've seen a mutual agreement to be released from a contract in the case of Destiny, in this case however, Mil and Stephano basically went behind Complexity's back and threw them under the bus. At this point, they have to take a stand to make sure that this shit isn't the norm. If you want this game and this community to forever be a bunch of kids playing some games for a bit of money, then it's fine, they should let it slide and let kids do whatever they want. But that's massively detrimental for eSports as a legitimate industry and sport. | ||
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Secret05
United States342 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:35 gulbanana wrote: barbaric. anybody should be able to quit their job, with a given notice period. as is the case in basically every country in the world. i hear some u.s. states don't actually allow that, which is insane - you can really sign your life away for X months or years without a chance to go back on it? surely not. I think you can always get out of the contract, but there is consequences for doing so. Also they have things like "no compete clauses" which means that if you were to leave a specific job, you might not be able to work for another competitor for a specific period of time. | ||
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theBOOCH
United States832 Posts
A lot of people asked him to post an official statement on TL, but basically he said he doesn't care what the international community thinks and that a few days from now all this drama will be forgotten/yesterday news. Yeah, it will be forgotten, but so will Stephano's career :/ <shrug> | ||
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