EPTStephano contract situation - Page 125
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Animism
Switzerland130 Posts
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
On September 20 2011 13:58 emc wrote: yes, take legal action. This pisses me off and I really don't even care about coL as an organization but it's shit like this that really angers me. Anytime there is a breach in contract it just gives esports a bad name and shit like this needs to stop. I lost all respect for stephano after a move like this. Yeah exactly, don't know why people are like 'cmon guys put it in perspective, he is only 18, happens all the time, simple mistake blah blah'. This isn't just a video game, these are professional organisations with a profit motive forming real contracts offering real money to players... If people just take it as a joke then eSports isn't going to go anywhere. Edit: spelling | ||
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
On September 20 2011 14:04 johnprospekt wrote: One of the highest salaries in the world is bound to be around or above 100,000 dollars a year. 100k? LOL, not a chance! | ||
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curlfry
Australia103 Posts
On September 20 2011 02:53 Fionn wrote: Oh fun, more drama SotG can talk about tomorrow. at least it's more interesting than GSL finals | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
You haven't been paying attnetion have you? Its certainly around 100k | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On September 20 2011 13:58 emc wrote: yes, take legal action. This pisses me off and I really don't even care about coL as an organization but it's shit like this that really angers me. Anytime there is a breach in contract it just gives esports a bad name and shit like this needs to stop. I lost all respect for stephano after a move like this. So you are for potentially ruining a young person's life because he made a very small, very insignificant decision that may be completely legal in the country he lives in, all in the name of e-sports? This type of thinking just doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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SwordfishConspiracy
United States146 Posts
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
it's complexity, 100k for a top player is possible. | ||
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Trickstaloki
United States164 Posts
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doomed
Australia420 Posts
On September 20 2011 14:07 curlfry wrote: at least it's more interesting than GSL finals I guess it leaves Incontrol and Tyler with content to distract the conversation from why they are not amongst the higher paid players, or at least amongst the successful ones. anyway, another day and another thread. But hopefully at least one of them (people on SoTG) takes the time to try and get some actual information from the organizations and ideally players on what the next step is. | ||
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jyLee
United States350 Posts
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
On September 20 2011 14:08 setzer wrote: So you are for potentially ruining a young person's life because he made a very small, very insignificant decision that may be completely legal in the country he lives in, all in the name of e-sports? This type of thinking just doesn't make sense to me. Ruining someones life ? Breach of contract would litteraly nearly not do much, its more to set an example then the actual consequences. | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
On September 20 2011 13:48 TurpinOS wrote: The only problem is its not actually totally true... (juridically) Even though this is all true, its only applicable to common law jurisdiction (as far as canadian contractual common law is concerned, its very much like the US contract law), the issue at hand is the conformity with french civil law, and the applicability of said contract signed in the US in France. This last subject being governed by internation law. Dont think anyone doubts the legality of the contract in the US. Whilst I appreciate your study and knowledge. There are reasons why global companies set up entities in every jursidiction where they have staff/contractors/outsourced employees. The reason I have stated prior. Every single contract has to be individually tailored to the local contract law. In order to do this properly you need a local entity. Some may raise the example of things like, lets say, cristiano ronaldo transfering between Man U and Real Madrid. The reason that Real Madrid do not require a local entity is because the player is being imported. So will eventually be compliant with local law/standards. From my knowledge coL are not importing stephano, but he would be employed contractually in France for a foreign organisation which does not hold any office or business registration in France. He then is only subject to US jursidiction, which does include Canada, as mentioned by yourself. However, it does not include France. Another thing to think about is that of all the legal mix ups involved, it actually contains two of the most annoying contract law jurisdictions in the world. The united states and france. France is a terrible place to get involved in contract law, unless local of course as the laws sometimes make no sense and are a bit rough around the edges. | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
On September 20 2011 14:08 setzer wrote: So you are for potentially ruining a young person's life because he made a very small, very insignificant decision that may be completely legal in the country he lives in, all in the name of e-sports? This type of thinking just doesn't make sense to me. Complexity is pretty much obligated to press the legal issue, or else all the trolls in this thread saying things like "lol complexity contract is a joke its meaningless" are actually correct. A young person who makes a mistake still has to suffer the consequences of that mistake, or else they'll just keep doing it. | ||
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Haze.884
New Zealand192 Posts
On September 20 2011 14:08 setzer wrote: So you are for potentially ruining a young person's life because he made a very small, very insignificant decision that may be completely legal in the country he lives in, all in the name of e-sports? This type of thinking just doesn't make sense to me. So, if a legal action potentially ruins a young man's life, you shouldn't take a legal action? And how is that insignificant decision? If what Complexity is saying is true, he signed a LEGAL DOCUMENT. I am sure its better to take a legal action and send a message to E-Sports scene that this kind of behaviour is unacceptable. | ||
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iamahydralisk
United States813 Posts
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Trickstaloki
United States164 Posts
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SwordfishConspiracy
United States146 Posts
On September 20 2011 14:08 setzer wrote: So you are for potentially ruining a young person's life because he made a very small, very insignificant decision that may be completely legal in the country he lives in, all in the name of e-sports? This type of thinking just doesn't make sense to me. Ignorance of the law isn't an excuse. If he's signing an extremely lucrative contract under American law he should know what the American laws are. In any other industry they would laugh and sue the pants off of him, he's lucky the Complexity is even considering taking the high road in this case. | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On September 20 2011 14:08 setzer wrote: So you are for potentially ruining a young person's life because he made a very small, very insignificant decision that may be completely legal in the country he lives in, all in the name of e-sports? This type of thinking just doesn't make sense to me. How is he ruining a Stephanos life? Stephano pretty much screwed himself. Gave up on more money, and any other US leagues/Tournaments (NASL, MLG, IPL, and future Blizzcons). | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On September 20 2011 14:08 setzer wrote: So you are for potentially ruining a young person's life because he made a very small, very insignificant decision that may be completely legal in the country he lives in, all in the name of e-sports? This type of thinking just doesn't make sense to me. You can't stand around digging your own grave and say "I hope this turns out well for me". Legal action isn't going to effect Stephano's life. Stephano's illegal action is going to effect his life. Do you see the difference? Actions have consequences. As the old saying goes, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. | ||
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