EPTCode S might be losing entertainment value. - Page 14
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On September 08 2011 08:05 AlBundy wrote: If you guys find TvT boring then you don't really love starcraft. It's like saying "I hate amusement parks because roller coasters are boring". edit; well that didn't make sense. Also why bring up MLG in this conversation? There are too many arguments favoring GSL over MLG, most of them are obvious, such as format, skill level, production value, amount of drama... Sure the GSL's format is far from perfect, but I think it's definitely better than MLG. Playing dozens of competitive games during the span of only 3 days is just insane to me. That's not how RTS are supposed to be played. This stuff definitely seems to be working fine with fighting games and first person shooters, but doesn't seem suited AT ALL for strategy games. It is what it is: if one wants to display top strategies and top tactics, one absolutely needs time in order to properly prepare and plan. As a spectator I prefer watching GSL games because the players are actually prepared for their opponents, they received specific training and developed specific strategies. I know these matches will feature unique builds, tailor-made strategies and elaborate mind games. Can you imagine if the Chargers had to play the Patriots, the Giants, the Redskins, and the Raiders all in the same day? That may seem far fetched but that's what MLG looks like to me. There is no way that format can produce the highest level games. Anyway in my opinion if you win MLG, well congratulations that means you have good stamina and you are well-rounded. Just like a Street Fighter or a MvC3 player. Whereas if you win GSL, that means you're a true master strategist. You're like Napoleon or Flash. Also don't even get me started on the awful pool system. All in all, that 3-day format really bothers me but it's not just MLG, there's Dreamhack too. As Mr Chae said, MLG is a festival. Indeed it is a fucking funfair, it's not a genuine RTS tournament to me. It is a 3-day fucking stacked to the max marathon ffs. In conclusion, even though I would love GSL to adapt their format to the growing number of progamers, I'll alway be interested in watching the best players duke it out. PS: TL used to be THE place to meet true Sc fans but where are they now? The more I read this forum, the more I see casual spectators who are not even THAT interested in the game, but are really interested in making threads to complain about it. TvT boring, seriously? I agree 100% with this post. MLG is more of a stamina game than a strategy game, even though I enjoy it too. I do like that GSL allows for more mindgames and actual strategy and preparation to take place(especially now with the extended GSTL). MLG is fine too, but its obviously more catered to more casual fans who want to just want hype and WWE antics and all that crap. Which is fine too they can like whatever they want but it just shows that...... some people are just not too into SC2 and just love the hype. Kinda reminds me of the people who only watch soccer when its the World cup and they are now suddenly soccer fans lol TvT is not boring IMO its actually a pretty dynamic matchup. | ||
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leandroqm
Netherlands874 Posts
Even tho they are exciting to watch, it hurts Code S and Code A value. It would be muuuuuuch more exciting if the first set of losers from Code S had to fight to stay in Code S by themselves instead of the U&D matches. Some other ideas: + Show Spoiler + Top X from Code A should receive DIRECT Code S spot for THE SAME season. Code A ends right before Code S start, allowing for a single player (if skilled enough) to WIN BOTH TOURNAMENTS. Code A finalists should get MORE PRIZES for the 1st, 2nd and 3rd. 4th ... [X number] should get just the Code S seed and nothing else. OR 1st get to participate on the Code S tournament while 2nd+3rd+4th ... [X number] get just the seeding + small prize. Bottom X Code S players are dropped to Code A for the next season. [X beeing a magic number greater or equal to 4 players] What do you guys think? | ||
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minhbq299
United Kingdom566 Posts
TvT is fun too watch though, but seeing too much of I find it kind of "no more fun to watch", I used to watch all the VODs when I miss live game, but no longer now, I only find some VODs of PvX now. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
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Xaoz
Germany146 Posts
On September 08 2011 07:53 ZeromuS wrote: My issue is that I play protoss. Protoss has very little representation in the GSL. I do not learn anything from watching TvT which is the most common matchup. Therefore, while I might watch a TvT finals or semi finals, I do not particularly enjoy watching TvT because there is nothing for me to learn from the matchup. That is the only reason I dont enjoy GSL as much as I used to, Same for me. I don t like watching games without Protoss. I would have no one to cheer for  | ||
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
With that being said, I'm going to agree with everyone else in this thread. Far too many Terrans makes for very dull viewing. Especially when the few P's and Z's get knocked out early. TvT is one of the more bearable mirror matches, but it's not something I can show my friends and say, "hey, this is why I love watching StarCraft". To most people, it is boring and nothing else. And I don't blame them for thinking that at all. | ||
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obsKura
Ireland1061 Posts
Actually I enjoy Code A a bit more than Code S at the moment, mainly because of the "dropped down to Code A but wanna fight back to the top" thing, foreigner Code A spots, the overall increasing skill level as Code A is also stacked as hell these days, watching new talents who made it throught the qualifiers... Guys, keep in mind the GSL mainly is a TV show, MLG is a big gaming circuit/event. | ||
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Galleon.frigate
Canada721 Posts
On September 08 2011 08:19 Herculix wrote: i don't watch GSL as much anymore because i can't stay up till 5 am every night and i'm not going to pay over $100 dollars just to watch an entire year of one tournament. they need to rebroadcast it, simple as that. it makes no sense for them to expect me us to be up early in the morning for potentially 3 hours. 100$ a year really isn't that much it's 10 at pop. I'll pay my 40 odd cents for unlimited access to the highest level of sc2 GSL has been out for a year - things lose their novelty... yet still I don't think they've lost the magic at all | ||
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MusiK
United States302 Posts
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SoloWingPixy
United States1 Post
Last Night was 15 matches in a row with 5 minute breaks lasting until 8:30 A.M. or so for me in Central time. Also the free quality isn't as good. However even as I zerg I enjoy TvT a lot. My only gripe is that Protoss are getting hammered right now, but that's hardly GOM's fault. | ||
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MuazizTremere
Netherlands67 Posts
That said, I certainly do like GSL too  | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On September 08 2011 08:22 Zzoram wrote: GSL needs a discounted GSTL + GSL bundle, and perhaps a cheaper rate 12 month bundle instead of just monthly option. I´d actually love this. You´re a smart man | ||
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minhbq299
United Kingdom566 Posts
On September 08 2011 08:27 MusiK wrote: Gsl is supposed to be this way. If else we would see luck playing a large role.what they need is other smaller korean tournaments to get bug to highlight lesser known players I think If you could spend sometimes watching those ICCup korean weekly, It is pretty good. The sad thing is Only GSL is LAN in korea, and cast on play. ICCup is kind of replay cast and by Doa & Moletrap. Either way, there are not so much for real SC2 fans and players to watch nowadays, I only watch GSL, MLG, and the qualifier of IPL3 if there is interesting game on. Some korean weekly if have Toss on, some stream of good Toss players if I have time Here is my top Watch list SC2 tour for the next period: GSL MLG IPL3 NASL | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
The problem is that the GSL is the only tournament for the vast majority of koreans, especially the new blood. Hopefully this changes soon. | ||
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nukeazerg
United States168 Posts
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Augury
United States758 Posts
Edit: Mirror matches don't help either. | ||
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Loodah
335 Posts
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doomed
Australia420 Posts
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