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ilikeLIONZ
Germany427 Posts
On September 07 2011 06:00 SafeAsCheese wrote: Force Field lasts 3.5 times as long. Zerg would trade all of fungals damage for that. if you trade the great mobility, hence the map control, the cheapass units and the ability to pump out several workers at the same time, i would be in for the trade! | ||
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enecateReAP
United Kingdom378 Posts
On September 07 2011 06:03 ilikeLIONZ wrote: if you trade the great mobility, hence the map control, the cheapass units and the ability to pump out several workers at the same time, i would be in for the trade! Why're you whining about balance? Learn to play ZvP if you have a problem with it, insted of crying about it. | ||
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wolfe
United States761 Posts
On September 07 2011 06:03 ilikeLIONZ wrote: if you trade the great mobility, hence the map control, the cheapass units and the ability to pump out several workers at the same time, i would be in for the trade! These hyperbole arguments are always really stupid. If you both want to trade or want to banter like that why don't you switch races -_- | ||
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Truedot
444 Posts
On September 07 2011 06:40 wolfe wrote: These hyperbole arguments are always really stupid. If you both want to trade or want to banter like that why don't you switch races -_- Here's what I don't get. people could generate some random maps that have balance, and then tweak units inside these maps, calling them "UNOFFICIAL patch 1.4.1 etc" and basically consist of people testing what works and what doesn't on their own. Thus the community of SC2 themselves could figure out whats imbalanced and whats not, and all WITHOUT having to wait for blizzard to tell them what is good for the game. But they'd all rather sit here and bitch instead of creating thier own answers via custom maps and discovering, hey, marine really does( or doesnt) work being tweaked a little, or hey, Force Field on cooldown might work and be less OP (if you think it is). That is what I dont get about the supposed "community". They don't act like one to solve problems. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On September 07 2011 06:53 Truedot wrote: Here's what I don't get. people could generate some random maps that have balance, and then tweak units inside these maps, calling them "UNOFFICIAL patch 1.4.1 etc" and basically consist of people testing what works and what doesn't on their own. Thus the community of SC2 themselves could figure out whats imbalanced and whats not, and all WITHOUT having to wait for blizzard to tell them what is good for the game. But they'd all rather sit here and bitch instead of creating thier own answers via custom maps and discovering, hey, marine really does( or doesnt) work being tweaked a little, or hey, Force Field on cooldown might work and be less OP (if you think it is). That is what I dont get about the supposed "community". They don't act like one to solve problems. The only people who can reliably judge balance (which changes constantly any ways) are pros who don't even waste their time playing PTR, let alone an unofficial patch which will probably be ridiculous any ways. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On September 07 2011 06:00 SafeAsCheese wrote: Force Field lasts 3.5 times as long. Zerg would trade all of fungals damage for that. lol are you sure you wanna trade =)) I wish FF could kill marines that fast or even do any damage lol. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On September 07 2011 06:53 Truedot wrote: Here's what I don't get. people could generate some random maps that have balance, and then tweak units inside these maps, calling them "UNOFFICIAL patch 1.4.1 etc" and basically consist of people testing what works and what doesn't on their own. Thus the community of SC2 themselves could figure out whats imbalanced and whats not, and all WITHOUT having to wait for blizzard to tell them what is good for the game. But they'd all rather sit here and bitch instead of creating thier own answers via custom maps and discovering, hey, marine really does( or doesnt) work being tweaked a little, or hey, Force Field on cooldown might work and be less OP (if you think it is). That is what I dont get about the supposed "community". They don't act like one to solve problems. We don't even agree on what is imbalanced in the game we currently play. How are a bunch of custom maps supposed to bring anything conclusive to the table? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45267 Posts
On September 05 2011 20:42 Snowbear wrote: Post a game where a terran wins lategame against COLLOSSUS, ZEALOT, ARCHON and SPREADED ht's. Marauders die against zealots, so you need marines. Marines melt against HT and collossus. There is no change to win when toss has 5 bases, like they can have on those big GSL maps. Win a battle as terran? No problem, thats 2 warpins and maxed again. Lose a battle as terran? Warp 1 round, maxed again, attack terrans raxes, GG. I'm talking about a 5+base protoss. Are you implying that Terran tier one units occasionally die to well-microed Protoss tier three units? I'm inclined to agree with you. In that case, most Koreans have discovered that throwing down a factory, starport, or ghost academy are good follow-ups. + Show Spoiler + Are you seriously balance whining as Terran? | ||
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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong747 Posts
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DrunkenJedi
Germany175 Posts
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
All they show is a trend at most. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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RealQ
1120 Posts
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buscettn
Austria129 Posts
On September 08 2011 00:04 DrunkenJedi wrote: I remember Blizz' publishing official win rate statistics for the leagues of each server (last year they did this for sure). Are there any current statistics from Blizz' available? Would be happy if some of you have a link. i think they did something like that at last years blizzcon. was quite interesting indeed. the problem with raw-winrates on the servers is the matchmaking system which tends to generate 50 % winrates. therefore they adjust for MMR. you can find the video here: on youtube i really hope that they give us current statistics at this years blizzcon. | ||
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dragoonier
Germany154 Posts
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harhar!
Germany190 Posts
On September 07 2011 07:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: + Show Spoiler + Are you seriously balance whining as Terran? LOL! you speak as if terran is the most imbalanced race of all time and any idiot could win with it easily. but you are wrong good sir. ppl look always at these super grandmaster korean terrans and say "they have high winrate so this startegy is imba". but it just doesnt work like that in the lower leagues, because the players cant utalize everything that the terran race offers. and still ppl start QQing and want nerfing and buffing. | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On September 08 2011 03:53 harhar! wrote: LOL! you speak as if terran is the most imbalanced race of all time and any idiot could win with it easily. but you are wrong good sir. ppl look always at these super grandmaster korean terrans and say "they have high winrate so this startegy is imba". but it just doesnt work like that in the lower leagues, because the players cant utalize everything that the terran race offers. and still ppl start QQing and want nerfing and buffing. ...what? I don't even understand what you're trying to say. It's ok to Terran whine because you're bad? | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On September 08 2011 04:05 fraktoasters wrote: ...what? I don't even understand what you're trying to say. It's ok to Terran whine because you're bad? What he means is most (all) people whining aren't personally affected by imbalance. Because at their level skill is the only thing that matter. Well, that's not true, that affects their GSL viewing pleasure because there is too much TvT nowadays. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
Lategame zerg seems to be much tougher for protoss to beat, there's no imba timing to mess with the statistics, yet the win rates are even worse. I guess its more acceptable to hate on every aspect of terran because code S is full of them. | ||
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1st_Panzer_Div.
United States621 Posts
On September 08 2011 04:11 MrCon wrote: What he means is most (all) people whining aren't personally affected by imbalance. Because at their level skill is the only thing that matter. Well, that's not true, that affects their GSL viewing pleasure because there is too much TvT nowadays. This is really interesting. It's a lot easier to find good replays of terrans to copy than it is to find protoss or zerg. Good luck finding a bunch of PvZ replays. There is no way to tell, but I wonder if there is a trickle down effect, because more Terrans play at the top level in Korea, more terran strategies are readily available to watch, and thus on any level lower than pro Korean, people are able to learn/benefit a bit more from the Korean Terrans than from the other 2 races. (Which makes for more/better terrans, which in turn yields more pro terrans.) Though a lot of it for sure can't transfer down that far, i.e. ghost vs ultra, need some decent apm for that. | ||
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