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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 06 2011 04:39 GMT
#1541
On September 06 2011 13:22 TitleRug wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 12:52 flowSthead wrote:
On September 06 2011 12:36 Like a Boss wrote:
On September 06 2011 12:22 flowSthead wrote:
On September 06 2011 12:11 Jinsho wrote:
People seem to forget he was one of the best foreigner terran in BW and was due to go to Korea before SC2 was released. This is something he's dreamed of all his teenage life, pretty much.

So don't treat him like he's just some immature brat with a huge mouth. He has the skills, just not the means to realize his dream.


Until he proves otherwise, that is all he is. I am honestly shocked that people are still supporting Major. The issue was never about his skill. The issue is that he is clearly not a team player. Sixjax may or may not be a shady team. They may or may not be a poorly managed team. But what is undeniable is that Major is a poor player to have on your team.

Frankly, there are too few players with the means necessary to live without a team funding them. Those would be players like MC, Nestea, and MVP, who have won enough tournaments that they can keep themselves afloat with just tournament winnings. And all three of those players had teams backing them.

Other players without teams, like Grubby and White-Ra, are both older, more well known, and have good reputations for keeping their sponsors happy.

Do either of these two groups describe Major? No. To be successful and live up to his supposed potential, Major needs a team. The problem is that time, and time again, Major has shown that he is not a team player and would be a poor choice for a team. Skill isn't everything.



People also makes it sound like he's been on every team out there and he has a problem with them all. Sixjax is his first real team with salary(unless Roots paid his also). From reading the OP we all know both Sixjax and Major have issues. I dont blame major at all because all I see is his passion for his dreams. He's is just a kid that wants to be in korea to play with the best sc2 player out there. Most of his problems are manner issues but who here hasn't BM'ed on the ladder themselves? I just think some people are way too harsh on him for being BM.


"Being a kid" and "having passion for your dreams" doesn't excuse you from being a dick. Neither does skill. At least it doesn't for me. It seems a lot of people are willing to forgive him just because he happens to be good, and he happens to be young.

I don't see why we should be comparing him to other BM players either. Even if there are 100 other players more BM than Major, that doesn't suddenly mean that he is a non BM player and everyone should be ok with that. No, it means that there are 101 people who do not deserve to be on teams.

Also, this isn't a case of "Major should never be on a professional team, evar!!!!" It is something where you look and you say "this guy has a history of poor choices and bad manner. Until he manners up, he is a liability."

I'm frustrated that there are still people defending Major. I read the OP a few times, and the latest comments, and I figured that people had realized that Major is just not mature enough to deserve to be on a team. But this thread keeps on being updated by people arguing both sides and I can't fathom it. Would you really want Major to be on a team with you? Knowing that he has a history of being bad manner, of swearing at his teammates, of just doing as he pleases and making your team look bad, would you want him on your team?

I can understand wanting to see Major compete because he is a skilled player. I understand that people are fans of his playstyle, but the issue in this thread has never been about Major's level of skill. The question at the end of the day is how many of you would really want to be teammates with Major, in a world where you are both progamers? I wouldn't. There are players just as skilled, or more skilled, than Major that are pleasant teammates and won't make your team look unprofessional. Why would you choose to have him on your team?

I figure since skew was major's teammate and he is defending major that not all his teammates think he's bad.


The problem is, neither Skew or Major has presented their position or perspective in a way that would be considered impartial or level-headed.

Without knowing the details of their contracts (how much was promised and how much they were paid) it's difficult to determine how much of Skew's grievances are valid or just sour grapes.

Both Skew and Major come off as having a sense of entitlement, despite the former having no real results in SC2 and the latter having a bad reputation. Unless they were literally getting paid next to nothing, than I'm not sure I can empathize. And if they were getting paid less than they feel they were worth, why did they sign contracts with Sixjax in the first place?

They can complain all they want, but neither had a gun to their head when they signed contracts, and both got exactly what they wanted in the end anyway (a release).

Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
September 06 2011 04:45 GMT
#1542
On September 06 2011 13:36 xlava wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 13:22 Diglett wrote:
On September 06 2011 12:11 Jinsho wrote:
People seem to forget he was one of the best foreigner terran in BW and was due to go to Korea before SC2 was released. This is something he's dreamed of all his teenage life, pretty much.

So don't treat him like he's just some immature brat with a huge mouth. He has the skills, just not the means to realize his dream.


you can be the best starcraft player in the world AND an immature brat. if you are too much of an immature brat then you won't be respected for being good at starcraft.


Pros gotta act like pros.

I lost all respect I had for him after this event.


While I agree with this 100%, I still have a bit of an issue with how people are willing to excuse somebody like Idra's behavior cause he is Idra and he has more success. All pros should act like pros, regardless of wins/losses.
It reminds of when Michael Jordon was playing and how he got away with so many things that other players would have gotten whistled on just cause he was MJ. Yeah I know its idealistic but still, you would think that the more successful players would be held to higher standards, not allowed to get away with things.
Best in the world at what I do
Heazy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States46 Posts
September 06 2011 04:52 GMT
#1543
Juan has to make contract decisions with his mommy? How old is he?
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 06 2011 04:54 GMT
#1544
On September 06 2011 13:52 Heazy wrote:
Juan has to make contract decisions with his mommy? How old is he?

I think he is 16 or 17 but definitely still a minor, so yes, he would need a parent to execute any sort of contract.

And ya, totally not surprised. Be interesting to see who the next team to give him a shot is. Somehow every team thinks that this time it will be different.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 04:55:39
September 06 2011 04:55 GMT
#1545
This reminds me of NFL players who hold out of camp to try and get better contracts. If you think you're worth it, hold out for a better contract BEFORE signing, or find some incentive laden contract so you can scale your pay with your performance. I can't think of any other profession off the top of my head where you can not show up for work, demand a raise and expect it to work.
Less money for casters, more money for players.
Veclada
Profile Joined September 2010
742 Posts
September 06 2011 04:56 GMT
#1546
On September 06 2011 13:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 13:52 Heazy wrote:
Juan has to make contract decisions with his mommy? How old is he?

I think he is 16 or 17 but definitely still a minor, so yes, he would need a parent to execute any sort of contract.

And ya, totally not surprised. Be interesting to see who the next team to give him a shot is. Somehow every team thinks that this time it will be different.


He was 17 when he signed the contract iirc
asdfg
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 06 2011 05:05 GMT
#1547
On September 06 2011 13:45 Slider954 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 13:36 xlava wrote:
On September 06 2011 13:22 Diglett wrote:
On September 06 2011 12:11 Jinsho wrote:
People seem to forget he was one of the best foreigner terran in BW and was due to go to Korea before SC2 was released. This is something he's dreamed of all his teenage life, pretty much.

So don't treat him like he's just some immature brat with a huge mouth. He has the skills, just not the means to realize his dream.


you can be the best starcraft player in the world AND an immature brat. if you are too much of an immature brat then you won't be respected for being good at starcraft.


Pros gotta act like pros.

I lost all respect I had for him after this event.


While I agree with this 100%, I still have a bit of an issue with how people are willing to excuse somebody like Idra's behavior cause he is Idra and he has more success. All pros should act like pros, regardless of wins/losses.
It reminds of when Michael Jordon was playing and how he got away with so many things that other players would have gotten whistled on just cause he was MJ. Yeah I know its idealistic but still, you would think that the more successful players would be held to higher standards, not allowed to get away with things.


You could say that IdrA is a Gary Payton style athlete -- a smacking-talking asshole on and off the court. But as a teammate and contract employee, there hasn't been any complaints from EG.

Compare this to Allen Iverson, who managed to talk his way out of the NBA after his prime.

Ending tangent now.
Moosy
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada396 Posts
September 06 2011 05:05 GMT
#1548
His outbursts are being exaggerated and used as an excuse to not send him to Korea. Sixjax just could not accommodate Juan.
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
September 06 2011 05:08 GMT
#1549
On September 06 2011 14:05 Moosy wrote:
His outbursts are being exaggerated and used as an excuse to not send him to Korea. Sixjax just could not accommodate Juan.


CHEATING to enter a tourney is not an exaggeration, losing team gear that was bought by the team is not an exaggeration, getting a technical foul at MLG cause of his temper is not an exaggeration.
Best in the world at what I do
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 05:17:08
September 06 2011 05:14 GMT
#1550
On September 06 2011 13:45 Slider954 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 13:36 xlava wrote:
On September 06 2011 13:22 Diglett wrote:
On September 06 2011 12:11 Jinsho wrote:
People seem to forget he was one of the best foreigner terran in BW and was due to go to Korea before SC2 was released. This is something he's dreamed of all his teenage life, pretty much.

So don't treat him like he's just some immature brat with a huge mouth. He has the skills, just not the means to realize his dream.


you can be the best starcraft player in the world AND an immature brat. if you are too much of an immature brat then you won't be respected for being good at starcraft.


Pros gotta act like pros.

I lost all respect I had for him after this event.


While I agree with this 100%, I still have a bit of an issue with how people are willing to excuse somebody like Idra's behavior cause he is Idra and he has more success. All pros should act like pros, regardless of wins/losses.
It reminds of when Michael Jordon was playing and how he got away with so many things that other players would have gotten whistled on just cause he was MJ. Yeah I know its idealistic but still, you would think that the more successful players would be held to higher standards, not allowed to get away with things.



I hate this "professional agenda" everyone keeps trying to push on players, organizers, and even viewers sometimes.

People are people, they should act how they want to act. How the masses react to them, whether negative or positive will be only their own doing this way. If things kept going the way you want them to it'd be Kespa all over again.

Of course teams and organizers will choose people based on their own opinions of how someone should act in such a setting, but that should not extend towards the general attitude of the public. I don't want everyone to be polite and respectful. People don't act like that in other sports and walks of life.

People should be able to show emotion, and not fear massive repercussion when they act emotional in a very tense, high-strung world where thousands of dollars, as well as they very livelihood could be on the line. Doing so takes a way a very human portion of the scene, and by god we need that shit.
Don't you rage when you lose too? -FruitDealer
discw
Profile Joined April 2010
United States122 Posts
September 06 2011 05:16 GMT
#1551
I don't know everything about Major's history, but that text wall he wrote in response gave me a headache when I tried to read it.
Wanna-be-cool
Profile Joined June 2007
United States87 Posts
September 06 2011 05:16 GMT
#1552
Hi, this is GoSuwbc. wbc stands for Wanna-be-cool obviously. Alright, here's what happend.

statement from Major


ok, first of all the only wrong thing i remember i did was doing the SEA Event and the WBC insident of MLG was more because he started trash talking in a middle of an active game,even tough its wrong and i shouldnt had done it , i did it and i cant change it, it was a mistake and wont happen again. Also i want to clear up some stuff they said i been asking for being realesed for over a month maybe longer since the first day i signed with sixjax they promised they would send me to korea as fast as possible, they apparently had a deal with IM about 2 months ago but it felt down, so i was dissapointed by that but they tried to find a new deal with another team , aka TSL which they basically said were inches to complete and felt again , made me to start doubting about ever making their making their promise right , the thing that made me the most mad was Last MLG when they send 0 players to MLG i asked for a reason and Evoli(team manager) asked the owner of sixjax but he apparently responded with wait a few days we have an annoucment to do, so i was kinda piss at that time than by my self i got in contact with NshoseoSAGE and after test games i was accepted in NSH house so i asked sixjax if they would willing to send me to korea and me staying in NSH for free(no food to pay rent or anyhthing), they said no and at that point i decided to leave and dont play for them anymore i told em i wouldnt accept anymore payments.



+ Show Spoiler +
Sixjax statement #2

Dispelling Some Rumors Surrounding Juan Lopez's Release

The community has done a great deal of speculating about the details of Juan 'Terran' Lopez's release from our team yesterday. Since Juan and Alex 'Skew' Brola have decided to go public about certain things, we feel that it is appropriate to respond.

First, a deal was reached last month to send Juan to South Korea. He wasn't sent after the following events occured:

Juan showed up to MLG Anaheim without either of the two jerseys (which his contract requires him to wear) he was provided with at MLG Columbus. When confronted about the jerseys he lied to the team manager and said he had given them away to fans at the previous event. A pro-player Juan was close to came forward and informed us Juan left them in his room at the previous MLG.
Juan, after losing a series, swore at the pro-player WBC at MLG Anaheim. He caused such a scene that MLG Admins were forced to give him a techincal foul.

In a streamed online tournament shortly after MLG Columbus he swore at his teammate DDE over the course of a few games. DDE personally contacted team management about the issue as he thought it was signifcant enough to warrant bringing to our attention.

With those issues in mind we decided not only to not send him to Korea, but to terminate his contract as addressed yesterday.

In regards to the rumors that we have threatened to sue Juan:

Shortly after MLG Columbus Juan approached the team's management wanting a raise. The team's upper management felt it was inapproriate to raise his salary at the time; we told Juan we would be willing to entertain the conversation if he performed similarly at the next MLG. Juan did not respond well when informed that his salary would not be raised. He began immediately shopping around for other teams, and let our organization know that he was leaving. Juan had signed a fifteen month contract with Sixjax. He was contractually obligated to play for our team. Juan put up a fight for the next half week, refusing to play in clan wars and insulting management when contacted. After several days Sixjax's upper management contacted Juan personally and let him know that both he and his mother had agreed upon a fifteen month contract when he signed, and that it would be legally impossible for him to leave and join another team without being released from his contract. Juan resented the position of the team management, and insisted that he would find a way out of his obligations. He began mentioning to his teammates that he felt threatened. It wasn't until our team captain, Artosis, spoke to him that he gave up his position.

This is all documented.

In regards to Alex 'Skew' Brola's statements today: it really hurts us that he left the team with such a sour perception of our organization. We believe he had a fairly good deal when he was still employed here, and even when he left we thought it was on a good note. He wanted to leave the organization as he didn't think it was the right fit, and we accommodated his wishes almost immediately.

We are sorry that internal issues that should have remained internal have had to be discussed in this fashion. Our team was planning on not making any remarks about things, but rumors and allegations have gotten out of hand. We want our organization and our thoughts on these matters to be represented as the community's dialogue continues.



First of all, he deserved technical foul. He's been bming me and the whole team, It's GoSu, since MLG Columbus when he was facing GoSuOstojiy.
And for the principal, I did not started the bming at the MLG Anaheim. He had no manner as a e-sport player. He only says, "Go" and when I looked over him, he was already pissed for not starting fast enough. All I said was "ready?" and "gl hf". first game, he did not gg. I was fine with it. 2nd game, I'm sure he was angry at this point. But he didn't even type "go" this time but says out loud "F*cking go" I was like, fine. Then I lost that game. I still said, "gg" at the end. our 3rd game, I don't think I said "gl hf" and started immediately as I got the hint from first two games. Then I realized I do not like how he plays and don't want to face him as a manner player. So, I started mind game with just a simple typing after slipping a probe in to scout after his marine was trying his best to kill it: ":D" he response, "?" and that's what he's talking about "he started trash talking" then at the very end of the game, i said, "gg?" and he says, "you're a f*cking fagg*t" then left. that's when the officials gave him the technical foul. Of course I got a warning for a preemptive "gg?" but at that point, I did not like him and didn't care for myself.

I'm just here to say exactly what happened on my side.

I was wondering why they didn't send a single sixjax. Now I know xD
It's not about mechanics and apm. It's about strategy!!
PrAeToR.FeNiX
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada361 Posts
September 06 2011 05:20 GMT
#1553
On September 06 2011 14:16 Wanna-be-cool wrote:
Hi, this is GoSuwbc. wbc stands for Wanna-be-cool obviously. Alright, here's what happend.

statement from Major

Show nested quote +

ok, first of all the only wrong thing i remember i did was doing the SEA Event and the WBC insident of MLG was more because he started trash talking in a middle of an active game,even tough its wrong and i shouldnt had done it , i did it and i cant change it, it was a mistake and wont happen again. Also i want to clear up some stuff they said i been asking for being realesed for over a month maybe longer since the first day i signed with sixjax they promised they would send me to korea as fast as possible, they apparently had a deal with IM about 2 months ago but it felt down, so i was dissapointed by that but they tried to find a new deal with another team , aka TSL which they basically said were inches to complete and felt again , made me to start doubting about ever making their making their promise right , the thing that made me the most mad was Last MLG when they send 0 players to MLG i asked for a reason and Evoli(team manager) asked the owner of sixjax but he apparently responded with wait a few days we have an annoucment to do, so i was kinda piss at that time than by my self i got in contact with NshoseoSAGE and after test games i was accepted in NSH house so i asked sixjax if they would willing to send me to korea and me staying in NSH for free(no food to pay rent or anyhthing), they said no and at that point i decided to leave and dont play for them anymore i told em i wouldnt accept anymore payments.



+ Show Spoiler +
Sixjax statement #2

Dispelling Some Rumors Surrounding Juan Lopez's Release

The community has done a great deal of speculating about the details of Juan 'Terran' Lopez's release from our team yesterday. Since Juan and Alex 'Skew' Brola have decided to go public about certain things, we feel that it is appropriate to respond.

First, a deal was reached last month to send Juan to South Korea. He wasn't sent after the following events occured:

Juan showed up to MLG Anaheim without either of the two jerseys (which his contract requires him to wear) he was provided with at MLG Columbus. When confronted about the jerseys he lied to the team manager and said he had given them away to fans at the previous event. A pro-player Juan was close to came forward and informed us Juan left them in his room at the previous MLG.
Juan, after losing a series, swore at the pro-player WBC at MLG Anaheim. He caused such a scene that MLG Admins were forced to give him a techincal foul.

In a streamed online tournament shortly after MLG Columbus he swore at his teammate DDE over the course of a few games. DDE personally contacted team management about the issue as he thought it was signifcant enough to warrant bringing to our attention.

With those issues in mind we decided not only to not send him to Korea, but to terminate his contract as addressed yesterday.

In regards to the rumors that we have threatened to sue Juan:

Shortly after MLG Columbus Juan approached the team's management wanting a raise. The team's upper management felt it was inapproriate to raise his salary at the time; we told Juan we would be willing to entertain the conversation if he performed similarly at the next MLG. Juan did not respond well when informed that his salary would not be raised. He began immediately shopping around for other teams, and let our organization know that he was leaving. Juan had signed a fifteen month contract with Sixjax. He was contractually obligated to play for our team. Juan put up a fight for the next half week, refusing to play in clan wars and insulting management when contacted. After several days Sixjax's upper management contacted Juan personally and let him know that both he and his mother had agreed upon a fifteen month contract when he signed, and that it would be legally impossible for him to leave and join another team without being released from his contract. Juan resented the position of the team management, and insisted that he would find a way out of his obligations. He began mentioning to his teammates that he felt threatened. It wasn't until our team captain, Artosis, spoke to him that he gave up his position.

This is all documented.

In regards to Alex 'Skew' Brola's statements today: it really hurts us that he left the team with such a sour perception of our organization. We believe he had a fairly good deal when he was still employed here, and even when he left we thought it was on a good note. He wanted to leave the organization as he didn't think it was the right fit, and we accommodated his wishes almost immediately.

We are sorry that internal issues that should have remained internal have had to be discussed in this fashion. Our team was planning on not making any remarks about things, but rumors and allegations have gotten out of hand. We want our organization and our thoughts on these matters to be represented as the community's dialogue continues.



First of all, he deserved technical foul. He's been bming me and the whole team, It's GoSu, since MLG Columbus when he was facing GoSuOstojiy.
And for the principal, I did not started the bming at the MLG Anaheim. He had no manner as a e-sport player. He only says, "Go" and when I looked over him, he was already pissed for not starting fast enough. All I said was "ready?" and "gl hf". first game, he did not gg. I was fine with it. 2nd game, I'm sure he was angry at this point. But he didn't even type "go" this time but says out loud "F*cking go" I was like, fine. Then I lost that game. I still said, "gg" at the end. our 3rd game, I don't think I said "gl hf" and started immediately as I got the hint from first two games. Then I realized I do not like how he plays and don't want to face him as a manner player. So, I started mind game with just a simple typing after slipping a probe in to scout after his marine was trying his best to kill it: ":D" he response, "?" and that's what he's talking about "he started trash talking" then at the very end of the game, i said, "gg?" and he says, "you're a f*cking fagg*t" then left. that's when the officials gave him the technical foul. Of course I got a warning for a preemptive "gg?" but at that point, I did not like him and didn't care for myself.

I'm just here to say exactly what happened on my side.

I was wondering why they didn't send a single sixjax. Now I know xD


WBC is a great man and it was a pleasure meeting him at mlg Raleigh ♥
En taro Adun!
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
September 06 2011 05:21 GMT
#1554
On September 06 2011 14:14 Uncultured wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 13:45 Slider954 wrote:
On September 06 2011 13:36 xlava wrote:
On September 06 2011 13:22 Diglett wrote:
On September 06 2011 12:11 Jinsho wrote:
People seem to forget he was one of the best foreigner terran in BW and was due to go to Korea before SC2 was released. This is something he's dreamed of all his teenage life, pretty much.

So don't treat him like he's just some immature brat with a huge mouth. He has the skills, just not the means to realize his dream.


you can be the best starcraft player in the world AND an immature brat. if you are too much of an immature brat then you won't be respected for being good at starcraft.


Pros gotta act like pros.

I lost all respect I had for him after this event.


While I agree with this 100%, I still have a bit of an issue with how people are willing to excuse somebody like Idra's behavior cause he is Idra and he has more success. All pros should act like pros, regardless of wins/losses.
It reminds of when Michael Jordon was playing and how he got away with so many things that other players would have gotten whistled on just cause he was MJ. Yeah I know its idealistic but still, you would think that the more successful players would be held to higher standards, not allowed to get away with things.



I hate this "professional agenda" everyone keeps trying to push on players, organizers, and even viewers sometimes.

People are people, they should act how they want to act. How the masses react to them, whether negative or positive will be only their own doing this way. If things kept going the way you want them to it's be Kespa all over again.

Of course teams and organizers will choose people based on their own opinions of how someone should act in such a setting, but that should not extend towards the general attitude of the public. I don't want everyone to be polite and respectful. People don't act like that in other sports and walks of life.

People should be able to show emotion, and not fear massive repercussion when they act emotional in a very tense, high-strung world where thousands of dollars, as well as they very livelihood could be on the line. Doing so takes a way a very human portion of the scene, and by god we need that shit.


I'm not saying players shouldn't show emotion or act like themselves. But there is a right way to be emotional and show passion. And even having said that, there are still times where players have to be smart and show a little tact and reign themselves in.
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Fugue
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia253 Posts
September 06 2011 05:22 GMT
#1555
On September 06 2011 14:08 Slider954 wrote:
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On September 06 2011 14:05 Moosy wrote:
His outbursts are being exaggerated and used as an excuse to not send him to Korea. Sixjax just could not accommodate Juan.


CHEATING to enter a tourney is not an exaggeration, losing team gear that was bought by the team is not an exaggeration, getting a technical foul at MLG cause of his temper is not an exaggeration.

Agreed, a lot of people defending Major seem to have the view that the team needs to bend over backwards to support the players.
The team wants to foster good talent and we all want better conditions for players, but the team actually needs to bend over backwards for the people that are providing them money, not the people they're giving money to.
Not wearing your uniform to an event when sponsorship dollars are what's keeping the team viable is actually a pretty big deal. Getting foul mouthed at events doesn't help the reputation of the team, either.
Hot headed players are a liability no matter what competition you're in.

Major undeniably showed a very selfish attitude. Maybe he misunderstood that signing the contract did not guarantee him a ticket to Korea, but you can't exactly say he earned it or Sixjax owed it to him when he repeatedly let them down, then disrespected them when they didn't let him get away with it.
kissables
Profile Joined May 2011
United States28 Posts
September 06 2011 05:23 GMT
#1556
On September 06 2011 14:14 Uncultured wrote:
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On September 06 2011 13:45 Slider954 wrote:
On September 06 2011 13:36 xlava wrote:
On September 06 2011 13:22 Diglett wrote:
On September 06 2011 12:11 Jinsho wrote:
People seem to forget he was one of the best foreigner terran in BW and was due to go to Korea before SC2 was released. This is something he's dreamed of all his teenage life, pretty much.

So don't treat him like he's just some immature brat with a huge mouth. He has the skills, just not the means to realize his dream.


you can be the best starcraft player in the world AND an immature brat. if you are too much of an immature brat then you won't be respected for being good at starcraft.


Pros gotta act like pros.

I lost all respect I had for him after this event.


While I agree with this 100%, I still have a bit of an issue with how people are willing to excuse somebody like Idra's behavior cause he is Idra and he has more success. All pros should act like pros, regardless of wins/losses.
It reminds of when Michael Jordon was playing and how he got away with so many things that other players would have gotten whistled on just cause he was MJ. Yeah I know its idealistic but still, you would think that the more successful players would be held to higher standards, not allowed to get away with things.



I hate this "professional agenda" everyone keeps trying to push on players, organizers, and even viewers sometimes.

People are people, they should act how they want to act. How the masses react to them, whether negative or positive will be only their own doing this way. If things kept going the way you want them to it'd be Kespa all over again.

Of course teams and organizers will choose people based on their own opinions of how someone should act in such a setting, but that should not extend towards the general attitude of the public. I don't want everyone to be polite and respectful. People don't act like that in other sports and walks of life.

People should be able to show emotion, and not fear massive repercussion when they act emotional in a very tense, high-strung world where thousands of dollars, as well as they very livelihood could be on the line. Doing so takes a way a very human portion of the scene, and by god we need that shit.



This is so true. I can't count the times I've read something along the lines of "oh, he didn't gg after he lose, I lost all my respect for him"



Like really?
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CatNzHat
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1599 Posts
September 06 2011 05:24 GMT
#1557
Threatening to sue.... well threatening someone with a lawsuit is illegal....
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
September 06 2011 05:24 GMT
#1558
Its sad because hes such a good player, he just has to manner up.
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
September 06 2011 05:31 GMT
#1559
On September 06 2011 14:16 Wanna-be-cool wrote:
Hi, this is GoSuwbc. wbc stands for Wanna-be-cool obviously. Alright, here's what happend.

statement from Major

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ok, first of all the only wrong thing i remember i did was doing the SEA Event and the WBC insident of MLG was more because he started trash talking in a middle of an active game,even tough its wrong and i shouldnt had done it , i did it and i cant change it, it was a mistake and wont happen again. Also i want to clear up some stuff they said i been asking for being realesed for over a month maybe longer since the first day i signed with sixjax they promised they would send me to korea as fast as possible, they apparently had a deal with IM about 2 months ago but it felt down, so i was dissapointed by that but they tried to find a new deal with another team , aka TSL which they basically said were inches to complete and felt again , made me to start doubting about ever making their making their promise right , the thing that made me the most mad was Last MLG when they send 0 players to MLG i asked for a reason and Evoli(team manager) asked the owner of sixjax but he apparently responded with wait a few days we have an annoucment to do, so i was kinda piss at that time than by my self i got in contact with NshoseoSAGE and after test games i was accepted in NSH house so i asked sixjax if they would willing to send me to korea and me staying in NSH for free(no food to pay rent or anyhthing), they said no and at that point i decided to leave and dont play for them anymore i told em i wouldnt accept anymore payments.



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Sixjax statement #2

Dispelling Some Rumors Surrounding Juan Lopez's Release

The community has done a great deal of speculating about the details of Juan 'Terran' Lopez's release from our team yesterday. Since Juan and Alex 'Skew' Brola have decided to go public about certain things, we feel that it is appropriate to respond.

First, a deal was reached last month to send Juan to South Korea. He wasn't sent after the following events occured:

Juan showed up to MLG Anaheim without either of the two jerseys (which his contract requires him to wear) he was provided with at MLG Columbus. When confronted about the jerseys he lied to the team manager and said he had given them away to fans at the previous event. A pro-player Juan was close to came forward and informed us Juan left them in his room at the previous MLG.
Juan, after losing a series, swore at the pro-player WBC at MLG Anaheim. He caused such a scene that MLG Admins were forced to give him a techincal foul.

In a streamed online tournament shortly after MLG Columbus he swore at his teammate DDE over the course of a few games. DDE personally contacted team management about the issue as he thought it was signifcant enough to warrant bringing to our attention.

With those issues in mind we decided not only to not send him to Korea, but to terminate his contract as addressed yesterday.

In regards to the rumors that we have threatened to sue Juan:

Shortly after MLG Columbus Juan approached the team's management wanting a raise. The team's upper management felt it was inapproriate to raise his salary at the time; we told Juan we would be willing to entertain the conversation if he performed similarly at the next MLG. Juan did not respond well when informed that his salary would not be raised. He began immediately shopping around for other teams, and let our organization know that he was leaving. Juan had signed a fifteen month contract with Sixjax. He was contractually obligated to play for our team. Juan put up a fight for the next half week, refusing to play in clan wars and insulting management when contacted. After several days Sixjax's upper management contacted Juan personally and let him know that both he and his mother had agreed upon a fifteen month contract when he signed, and that it would be legally impossible for him to leave and join another team without being released from his contract. Juan resented the position of the team management, and insisted that he would find a way out of his obligations. He began mentioning to his teammates that he felt threatened. It wasn't until our team captain, Artosis, spoke to him that he gave up his position.

This is all documented.

In regards to Alex 'Skew' Brola's statements today: it really hurts us that he left the team with such a sour perception of our organization. We believe he had a fairly good deal when he was still employed here, and even when he left we thought it was on a good note. He wanted to leave the organization as he didn't think it was the right fit, and we accommodated his wishes almost immediately.

We are sorry that internal issues that should have remained internal have had to be discussed in this fashion. Our team was planning on not making any remarks about things, but rumors and allegations have gotten out of hand. We want our organization and our thoughts on these matters to be represented as the community's dialogue continues.



First of all, he deserved technical foul. He's been bming me and the whole team, It's GoSu, since MLG Columbus when he was facing GoSuOstojiy.
And for the principal, I did not started the bming at the MLG Anaheim. He had no manner as a e-sport player. He only says, "Go" and when I looked over him, he was already pissed for not starting fast enough. All I said was "ready?" and "gl hf". first game, he did not gg. I was fine with it. 2nd game, I'm sure he was angry at this point. But he didn't even type "go" this time but says out loud "F*cking go" I was like, fine. Then I lost that game. I still said, "gg" at the end. our 3rd game, I don't think I said "gl hf" and started immediately as I got the hint from first two games. Then I realized I do not like how he plays and don't want to face him as a manner player. So, I started mind game with just a simple typing after slipping a probe in to scout after his marine was trying his best to kill it: ":D" he response, "?" and that's what he's talking about "he started trash talking" then at the very end of the game, i said, "gg?" and he says, "you're a f*cking fagg*t" then left. that's when the officials gave him the technical foul. Of course I got a warning for a preemptive "gg?" but at that point, I did not like him and didn't care for myself.

I'm just here to say exactly what happened on my side.

I was wondering why they didn't send a single sixjax. Now I know xD

Thanks for the clear up. MaJor seems so childish.
Le BucheRON
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada619 Posts
September 06 2011 05:38 GMT
#1560
Yeah, I can't see any team wanting this ding-dong.
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