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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:57 dacthehork wrote: Umm the contract probably isn't even legal (not a legal expert) but contracts of that nature can usually be thrown out, if I remember correctly. Yeah..a contract that isn't legal, makes perfect sense....you're right, you aren't a legal expert, then again neither am I. | ||
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T3tra
United States406 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:54 anathematize wrote: why can't he fly himself over to Korea if he already has everything lined up? he should just get it over with and prove the world wrong. I believe he said above that he needed money for food and a ticket. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:43 Jinsho wrote: No surprise there! Told you sixjax did not manage their players. Hope skew and major can find a team that will actually support them (in majors case, just give him money for a ticket to Korea, jesus christ, he's already allowed to train with a proteam! he'll do great there!) lol. Major has significant talent but is a huge headcase, to be BM like Idra is one thing, to be BM and a pain in the ass to the team is another. Idra may embarrass himself, but he takes the time to do EG stuff (promo videos, casting EG stuff, do some analysis, etc.) Major doesn't wear the jersey, gets a technical foul, can't keep his mouth shut (see post about sixjax not sending to MLG Raleigh), etc. - not sure if any team right now is willing to take the risk. He might need to lay low, play without a team for now, and avoid any future embarrassment. Skew seems to be pretty BM too, I played him in ladder and considering I'm not that good.... I think he might be lacking the skill (or at least current performance) to join a team that's better than sixjax... | ||
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oBlade
United States5916 Posts
On September 06 2011 12:03 Slider954 wrote: Yeah..a contract that isn't legal, makes perfect sense....you're right, you aren't a legal expert, then again neither am I. Contracts are worth less than law - if you have to choose between upholding a contract which breaks the law or a law which ruins a contract, the law simply wins. Unconscionable contracts are a bit different (not as clear cut), and are argued on specific cases. It doesn't take a law degree to notice that even if the guy in The Devil Went Down to Georgia had lost the bet, he wouldn't have had to forfeit his soul. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On September 06 2011 12:03 Slider954 wrote: Yeah..a contract that isn't legal, makes perfect sense....you're right, you aren't a legal expert, then again neither am I. Actually the courts could very easily agree that the contract is unenforceable. Regardless, there is 0% chance sixjax would pursue a lawsuit of Major, even if the contract was guaranteed to be enforceable. | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
So don't treat him like he's just some immature brat with a huge mouth. He has the skills, just not the means to realize his dream. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On September 06 2011 12:08 FairForever wrote: Actually the courts could very easily agree that the contract is unenforceable. Regardless, there is 0% chance sixjax would pursue a lawsuit of Major, even if the contract was guaranteed to be enforceable. Ok I'm honestly asking, not trying to be a dick, is there a difference between a contract being unenforceable and it just being not legal? Like I said, I'm not a legal expert. Or is I'm just splitting hairs about semantics? | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On September 06 2011 12:11 Jinsho wrote: People seem to forget he was one of the best foreigner terran in BW and was due to go to Korea before SC2 was released. This is something he's dreamed of all his teenage life, pretty much. So don't treat him like he's just some immature brat with a huge mouth. He has the skills, just not the means to realize his dream. I dont think people are calling him bad at the game Sure he was mistreated by his team but he also returned the favor by disrespecting them back. Although hes a very good player, he still needs to shape up his attitude and become more professional to truly become what he wants to be | ||
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flowSthead
1065 Posts
On September 06 2011 12:11 Jinsho wrote: People seem to forget he was one of the best foreigner terran in BW and was due to go to Korea before SC2 was released. This is something he's dreamed of all his teenage life, pretty much. So don't treat him like he's just some immature brat with a huge mouth. He has the skills, just not the means to realize his dream. Until he proves otherwise, that is all he is. I am honestly shocked that people are still supporting Major. The issue was never about his skill. The issue is that he is clearly not a team player. Sixjax may or may not be a shady team. They may or may not be a poorly managed team. But what is undeniable is that Major is a poor player to have on your team. Frankly, there are too few players with the means necessary to live without a team funding them. Those would be players like MC, Nestea, and MVP, who have won enough tournaments that they can keep themselves afloat with just tournament winnings. And all three of those players had teams backing them. Other players without teams, like Grubby and White-Ra, are both older, more well known, and have good reputations for keeping their sponsors happy. Do either of these two groups describe Major? No. To be successful and live up to his supposed potential, Major needs a team. The problem is that time, and time again, Major has shown that he is not a team player and would be a poor choice for a team. Skill isn't everything. | ||
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Like a Boss
502 Posts
On September 06 2011 12:22 flowSthead wrote: Until he proves otherwise, that is all he is. I am honestly shocked that people are still supporting Major. The issue was never about his skill. The issue is that he is clearly not a team player. Sixjax may or may not be a shady team. They may or may not be a poorly managed team. But what is undeniable is that Major is a poor player to have on your team. Frankly, there are too few players with the means necessary to live without a team funding them. Those would be players like MC, Nestea, and MVP, who have won enough tournaments that they can keep themselves afloat with just tournament winnings. And all three of those players had teams backing them. Other players without teams, like Grubby and White-Ra, are both older, more well known, and have good reputations for keeping their sponsors happy. Do either of these two groups describe Major? No. To be successful and live up to his supposed potential, Major needs a team. The problem is that time, and time again, Major has shown that he is not a team player and would be a poor choice for a team. Skill isn't everything. People also makes it sound like he's been on every team out there and he has a problem with them all. Sixjax is his first real team with salary(unless Roots paid his also). From reading the OP we all know both Sixjax and Major have issues. I dont blame major at all because all I see is his passion for his dreams. He's is just a kid that wants to be in korea to play with the best sc2 player out there. Most of his problems are manner issues but who here hasn't BM'ed on the ladder themselves? I just think some people are way too harsh on him for being BM. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On September 06 2011 12:12 Slider954 wrote: Ok I'm honestly asking, not trying to be a dick, is there a difference between a contract being unenforceable and it just being not legal? Like I said, I'm not a legal expert. Or is I'm just splitting hairs about semantics? Major's underage. That's the biggest reason why it could be deemed unenforceable, even if his mother consented. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On September 06 2011 12:36 Like a Boss wrote: People also makes it sound like he's been on every team out there and he has a problem with them all. Sixjax is his first real team with salary(unless Roots paid his also). From reading the OP we all know both Sixjax and Major have issues. I dont blame major at all because all I see is his passion for his dreams. He's is just a kid that wants to be in korea to play with the best sc2 player out there. Most of his problems are manner issues but who here hasn't BM'ed on the ladder themselves? I just think some people are way too harsh on him for being BM. Cheating to play in a tourney, talking shit to your teammates and your team management constantly, lying about losing team gear, etc, goes way beyond simple BM. | ||
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Geovu
Estonia1344 Posts
The thread of him joining sixjax was mostly people speculating on how long he would stay on the team, lol. | ||
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flowSthead
1065 Posts
On September 06 2011 12:36 Like a Boss wrote: People also makes it sound like he's been on every team out there and he has a problem with them all. Sixjax is his first real team with salary(unless Roots paid his also). From reading the OP we all know both Sixjax and Major have issues. I dont blame major at all because all I see is his passion for his dreams. He's is just a kid that wants to be in korea to play with the best sc2 player out there. Most of his problems are manner issues but who here hasn't BM'ed on the ladder themselves? I just think some people are way too harsh on him for being BM. "Being a kid" and "having passion for your dreams" doesn't excuse you from being a dick. Neither does skill. At least it doesn't for me. It seems a lot of people are willing to forgive him just because he happens to be good, and he happens to be young. I don't see why we should be comparing him to other BM players either. Even if there are 100 other players more BM than Major, that doesn't suddenly mean that he is a non BM player and everyone should be ok with that. No, it means that there are 101 people who do not deserve to be on teams. Also, this isn't a case of "Major should never be on a professional team, evar!!!!" It is something where you look and you say "this guy has a history of poor choices and bad manner. Until he manners up, he is a liability." I'm frustrated that there are still people defending Major. I read the OP a few times, and the latest comments, and I figured that people had realized that Major is just not mature enough to deserve to be on a team. But this thread keeps on being updated by people arguing both sides and I can't fathom it. Would you really want Major to be on a team with you? Knowing that he has a history of being bad manner, of swearing at his teammates, of just doing as he pleases and making your team look bad, would you want him on your team? I can understand wanting to see Major compete because he is a skilled player. I understand that people are fans of his playstyle, but the issue in this thread has never been about Major's level of skill. The question at the end of the day is how many of you would really want to be teammates with Major, in a world where you are both progamers? I wouldn't. There are players just as skilled, or more skilled, than Major that are pleasant teammates and won't make your team look unprofessional. Why would you choose to have him on your team? | ||
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Diglett
600 Posts
On September 06 2011 12:11 Jinsho wrote: People seem to forget he was one of the best foreigner terran in BW and was due to go to Korea before SC2 was released. This is something he's dreamed of all his teenage life, pretty much. So don't treat him like he's just some immature brat with a huge mouth. He has the skills, just not the means to realize his dream. you can be the best starcraft player in the world AND an immature brat. if you are too much of an immature brat then you won't be respected for being good at starcraft. | ||
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TitleRug
United States651 Posts
On September 06 2011 12:52 flowSthead wrote: "Being a kid" and "having passion for your dreams" doesn't excuse you from being a dick. Neither does skill. At least it doesn't for me. It seems a lot of people are willing to forgive him just because he happens to be good, and he happens to be young. I don't see why we should be comparing him to other BM players either. Even if there are 100 other players more BM than Major, that doesn't suddenly mean that he is a non BM player and everyone should be ok with that. No, it means that there are 101 people who do not deserve to be on teams. Also, this isn't a case of "Major should never be on a professional team, evar!!!!" It is something where you look and you say "this guy has a history of poor choices and bad manner. Until he manners up, he is a liability." I'm frustrated that there are still people defending Major. I read the OP a few times, and the latest comments, and I figured that people had realized that Major is just not mature enough to deserve to be on a team. But this thread keeps on being updated by people arguing both sides and I can't fathom it. Would you really want Major to be on a team with you? Knowing that he has a history of being bad manner, of swearing at his teammates, of just doing as he pleases and making your team look bad, would you want him on your team? I can understand wanting to see Major compete because he is a skilled player. I understand that people are fans of his playstyle, but the issue in this thread has never been about Major's level of skill. The question at the end of the day is how many of you would really want to be teammates with Major, in a world where you are both progamers? I wouldn't. There are players just as skilled, or more skilled, than Major that are pleasant teammates and won't make your team look unprofessional. Why would you choose to have him on your team? I figure since skew was major's teammate and he is defending major that not all his teammates think he's bad. | ||
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 06 2011 11:53 JimSocks wrote: i actually think training in a strict korean pro house would help teach him some discipline. Or he will get kicked out and his parents will have to get him a ticket home... | ||
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flowSthead
1065 Posts
On September 06 2011 13:22 TitleRug wrote: I figure since skew was major's teammate and he is defending major that not all his teammates think he's bad. May I mis-remembered, but Skew's comments seemed more like "fuck Sixjax" than "I really like Major". I also don't preclude the idea that Major may be a good friend. But a good friend doesn't necessarily make a good teammate. Actually, Huk and Idra are a good example of this (although I hate bringing Idra up since it usually isn't relevant). From a recent interview I saw with Huk, it seems as though Huk and Idra are friendly at the least, if not friends actually. But it also seems that they are not great teammates since Idra does not seem willing to take Huk's advice/criticism. I don't know if that is actually the case, but that is the way it seemed from the interview (I believe at IEM:+ Show Spoiler + In reality, Major may be a great guy/friend. But he really does not seem to be a good teammate, and that seems more important when you are trying to create a professional sports team of any kind. | ||
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xlava
United States676 Posts
On September 06 2011 13:22 Diglett wrote: you can be the best starcraft player in the world AND an immature brat. if you are too much of an immature brat then you won't be respected for being good at starcraft. Pros gotta act like pros. I lost all respect I had for him after this event. | ||
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