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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 14:16:07
August 29 2011 14:11 GMT
#41
They should have held $25 qualifiers, then charged that much as an entrance fee. At the very least they'd be competing with NASL.

Looks like they do have qualifiers in 27 countries, but I don't see how this could be much worse than NASL.
1800STFU
Profile Joined February 2011
158 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 14:13:25
August 29 2011 14:12 GMT
#42
200 or 1,000 is a drop in the bucket to the ESWC. This doesn't make sense.....

Why would they isolate the community for such an amount.
iinsight
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada293 Posts
August 29 2011 14:13 GMT
#43
That's amazing. Never seen so many teams actually getting together for something like this
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
August 29 2011 14:13 GMT
#44
For an extra $1000 you get in-game advantages, they should add that too.
here i am
Lolli92
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany109 Posts
August 29 2011 14:14 GMT
#45
Would please a Mod or ANYBODY Update the Topic with the information about the qualifiers? >.<
TheSilverfox
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1928 Posts
August 29 2011 14:26 GMT
#46
StarCraft2 players that will be a part of this potentional boycott:

SK.NaDa
SK.MC

EG.Axslav
EG.DeMusliM
EG.IdrA
EG.iNcontroL
EG.HuK
EG.LzGaMeR
EG.Machine
EG.PuMa
EG.StrifeCro

mouz.HasuObs
mouz.MaNa
mouz.ThorZaIN
mouz.Rasowy
mouz.Syck
mouz.MorroW

Fnatic.KawaiiRice
Fnatic.lefNaij
Fnatic.NightEnD
Fnatic.Rain
Fnatic.TT1

Na'Vi.HappyZerg
Na'Vi.BabyKnight
Na'Vi.Hireling
Na'Vi.ALF
Na'Vi.Panda
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kYem
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom412 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 15:05:38
August 29 2011 14:38 GMT
#47
I don't really get what's the problem here, care to explain to me ?

There will be national qualification as usual, so nothing changing here...

"These applications are reserved exclusively to player teams who do not have a national ESWC qualification system set up in their country. "

And i think it's a great thing for those countries, because they do have a chance to participate even though their national organisation fails so much that they don't even have a qualification....

I dont really understand were is the problem here, maybe there could be abuse with nationalities like some swe team registering as some African team or something like that, but obviously ESWC could just reject them based on team rosters. They can't fake their ID....

There is something else which has to be explained.

Edit
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Maybe it's about numbers ? How many teams allowed to register from the same country? Or players?

Edit2
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Sweden doesn't have qualifiers, that's explain a lot from were this is coming from since there like a lot of players/teams who could snatch the prize money.

But seriously Sweden ? How come they don't have it... really strange, anyone knows why ?
Hell
rareh
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal298 Posts
August 29 2011 14:43 GMT
#48
On August 29 2011 22:46 Bash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2011 22:04 rareh wrote:

Btw Intel Extreme Masters also has a very bad reputation of not paying out the money.


They have a bad reputation of taking a loong time to pay out, but I have never heard of an instance where they didn't pay eventually.


Well then you could say the same about ESWC, they can pay you in 100 years.
halvorg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Norway717 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 14:46:33
August 29 2011 14:46 GMT
#49
Countries without qualifiers:
Sweden:
+ Show Spoiler +

Half the foreign scene.

Canada:
+ Show Spoiler +

Kiwikaki, drewbie +++

Chile:
+ Show Spoiler +

dignitasKiller

Taiwain:
+ Show Spoiler +

Sen, Softball ++

China:
+ Show Spoiler +

xigua, xiaot, lovecd, lovett and a billion others.

Mexico:
+ Show Spoiler +

Major

Isreal:
+ Show Spoiler +

Osho

Australia:
+ Show Spoiler +

Moonglade

Italy:
+ Show Spoiler +

ClouD


As I mentioned earlier in the thread, NASL and IPL charge money for qualifiers (but give back if you make it to playoffs), MLG charges 70$ for every player outside pool play.
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
August 29 2011 14:51 GMT
#50
On August 29 2011 23:46 halvorg wrote:
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, NASL and IPL charge money for qualifiers (but give back if you make it to playoffs), MLG charges 70$ for every player outside pool play.


Correct me if I am wrong, but the difference is that MLG and NASL charge you money to participate, not qualify. The $10 or $25 or whatever that NASL charges is to make sure good players sign up for their open bracket. MLG's $70 is a participation fee, but it doesn't put you anywhere higher in the open bracket. It seems from the OP that these countries without qualifiers would just get the teams that pay to instantly be in a slot in a tournament that has other teams that qualified. So if Sweden doesn't have qualifiers but the US does, then Idra will have to defeat a lot of people to make it while Morrow would have to pay to make it.

That actually does not seem fair, not only to the people like Idra that might qualify, but the others that were knocked out by him that could not qualify.

But again, I could be misinterpreting what people are saying. This is a little confusing.
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Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
August 29 2011 14:55 GMT
#51
Always heard of ESWC being shady when it came to prize payouts. This doesn't further their reputation.
FranzP
Profile Joined November 2010
France270 Posts
August 29 2011 14:59 GMT
#52
On August 29 2011 23:51 flowSthead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2011 23:46 halvorg wrote:
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, NASL and IPL charge money for qualifiers (but give back if you make it to playoffs), MLG charges 70$ for every player outside pool play.


Correct me if I am wrong, but the difference is that MLG and NASL charge you money to participate, not qualify. The $10 or $25 or whatever that NASL charges is to make sure good players sign up for their open bracket. MLG's $70 is a participation fee, but it doesn't put you anywhere higher in the open bracket. It seems from the OP that these countries without qualifiers would just get the teams that pay to instantly be in a slot in a tournament that has other teams that qualified. So if Sweden doesn't have qualifiers but the US does, then Idra will have to defeat a lot of people to make it while Morrow would have to pay to make it.

That actually does not seem fair, not only to the people like Idra that might qualify, but the others that were knocked out by him that could not qualify.

But again, I could be misinterpreting what people are saying. This is a little confusing.


That's a bit unfair if you let everyone who pays $200 into the finals. But it's a candidature thing. If five teams from sweden apply for the ESWC finals they are not assured to be accepted, there will be a review of the candidature based "achievement" and national representation (i.e they won't let 12 teams from the same country into the finals) and then they will have to pay the $200/player to come because they are not sponsored by a qualifier.

In fact One of the thing people don't take into consideration is that those $200/player are probably paid by the people who organize qualifiers in the different country. And if you don't have a qualifiers that sponsors you, you have to pay (or you real sponsor has to).
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Xanatoss
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany539 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 15:05:13
August 29 2011 15:03 GMT
#53
Honestly I did not even know what ESWC is, until now :x
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LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 15:06:02
August 29 2011 15:04 GMT
#54
If there's issues with payouts and ontop of that, a huge fee, then yes, I do agree with the boycott.

NASL's fee is a deposit that is meant to be used to punish players for unprofessional conduct.
MLG's fee is a participation fee to the open bracket. Almost think of it as purchasing a ticket into a convention.

What ESWC is doing is letting you buy your spot into the grand finals. Where NASL and MLG, you have to qualify for their finals.


EDIT: i think the big issue here is probably not wanting to put up with getting the prize money. In the past, you could fly your players and still get publicity for them being there, but now, you have to put 1000$ so that your team can participate. So it's just teams not wanting to put up with ESWC
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
August 29 2011 15:18 GMT
#55
There is no other way for those players to qualify. So you would rather have Jinro and the likes ineligible rather than let them put up some money to have a chance?

Not sure how that would help E-Sports by making a ton of players ineligible.
sureshot_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States257 Posts
August 29 2011 15:26 GMT
#56
On August 30 2011 00:18 Corrik wrote:
There is no other way for those players to qualify. So you would rather have Jinro and the likes ineligible rather than let them put up some money to have a chance?

Not sure how that would help E-Sports by making a ton of players ineligible.


So the grand finals should be whoever pays top dollar then right? Why on earth would you try to support a tournament with this type of rule.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 29 2011 15:38 GMT
#57
Considering that it is only eligible for countries without qualifiers and that they will weed out people who are not suitable, I think that is all right. Well, 200$ might be somewhat high, but so is a deposit of 400$.
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
August 29 2011 15:52 GMT
#58
On August 30 2011 00:26 sureshot_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 00:18 Corrik wrote:
There is no other way for those players to qualify. So you would rather have Jinro and the likes ineligible rather than let them put up some money to have a chance?

Not sure how that would help E-Sports by making a ton of players ineligible.


So the grand finals should be whoever pays top dollar then right? Why on earth would you try to support a tournament with this type of rule.


You can't pay for a spot unless your country does not have a qualifier... and even then they weed out players. Instead of complaining, actually read the topic.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
August 29 2011 15:53 GMT
#59
That's crazy I hope they remove this rule
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Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
August 29 2011 17:44 GMT
#60
You guys are quite suffering from a lack of brain.

1st : Ukraine has a qualifiers. Thus Na'Vi should be able to qualify through this.

2nd : the "booking" is just a secured place for the countries who don't have Online qualifiers (at least that's how I understand that) and doesn't grant a place in the finals just in the bracket.

3rd : Na'Vi DotA team just won 1M, and 1000€ is too much for them ? Oh spare me. Not every team has the financial back-up to do that.

And stop whining about money getting over eSports. Players salaries are not disclose as aren't the salaries of non-player staff (as Anno Prosser or Husky or even - yes I dare - Day9) I won't be surprise if they make big bucks. Does it shock me ? No, because they have earned it.
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