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On September 16 2011 00:42 Grubby wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 00:39 sekritzzz wrote:
I don't get it and am kinda confused, don't players/teams have to pay ONLY if there is no qualifier In their region? Escw obviously doesn't cover everywhere but they cover a large part of the most famous places. That's true. ESWC Netherlands is paying for everything for 2 SC2 players (trip, accommodation, license). The €200-to-enter is just an extra service being offered to countries' players which had no qualifiers.
Wow this is ridiculous, teams are angry about this???? Eswc does people a favor by providing players with no qualifiers to join the competition and teams are pissed?
No offense but this looks like teams aren't pissed about the 200$ for countries without qualifier fee but rather they are pissed about escw's previous bankcruptcy which is in no way the fault of the new owners of the company. I am definitely going to be watching this and I hope it becomes a good tourney.
Looking forward to the winner of the 20k!!!!!!!!! hope whiter, dimaga stephano, and col join. It will be a sick tourney with those people anyways.
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Seriously guyz, this boycott is just stupid. The 200$ fee looks totally legitimate for me. If you think you're good enough, you gotta pay 200 dols, and that is not nothing, right? We will see only really good player there and it's a good way to let them a chance.
The true question is : how many payable spot is there? This needs to be well balanced.
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Wouldn't it have made more sense to help pay for travel to qualifiers? Or a separate on-line qualifier for teams that did not have a national event to go to? I realise that its a good idea to offer teams that could not get into the finals any other way, but it does still feel like you're buying your way in. My personal opinion though
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On September 16 2011 19:32 Hassybaby wrote:
Wouldn't it have made more sense to help pay for travel to qualifiers? Or a separate on-line qualifier for teams that did not have a national event to go to? I realise that its a good idea to offer teams that could not get into the finals any other way, but it does still feel like you're buying your way in. My personal opinion though
there are online qualis
Please read
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On September 16 2011 19:20 sekritzzz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 00:42 Grubby wrote:On September 16 2011 00:39 sekritzzz wrote:
I don't get it and am kinda confused, don't players/teams have to pay ONLY if there is no qualifier In their region? Escw obviously doesn't cover everywhere but they cover a large part of the most famous places. That's true. ESWC Netherlands is paying for everything for 2 SC2 players (trip, accommodation, license). The €200-to-enter is just an extra service being offered to countries' players which had no qualifiers. Wow this is ridiculous, teams are angry about this???? Eswc does people a favor by providing players with no qualifiers to join the competition and teams are pissed? No offense but this looks like teams aren't pissed about the 200$ for countries without qualifier fee but rather they are pissed about escw's previous bankcruptcy which is in no way the fault of the new owners of the company. I am definitely going to be watching this and I hope it becomes a good tourney. Looking forward to the winner of the 20k!!!!!!!!! hope whiter, dimaga stephano, and col join. It will be a sick tourney with those people anyways.
The teams are also pissed because ESWC cut prizemoney for all competions, but at the same time put an exorbitant amount into sc2. (sc2 66k, cs 33k, dota 22k)
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On September 16 2011 19:36 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 19:20 sekritzzz wrote:On September 16 2011 00:42 Grubby wrote:On September 16 2011 00:39 sekritzzz wrote:
I don't get it and am kinda confused, don't players/teams have to pay ONLY if there is no qualifier In their region? Escw obviously doesn't cover everywhere but they cover a large part of the most famous places. That's true. ESWC Netherlands is paying for everything for 2 SC2 players (trip, accommodation, license). The €200-to-enter is just an extra service being offered to countries' players which had no qualifiers. Wow this is ridiculous, teams are angry about this???? Eswc does people a favor by providing players with no qualifiers to join the competition and teams are pissed? No offense but this looks like teams aren't pissed about the 200$ for countries without qualifier fee but rather they are pissed about escw's previous bankcruptcy which is in no way the fault of the new owners of the company. I am definitely going to be watching this and I hope it becomes a good tourney. Looking forward to the winner of the 20k!!!!!!!!! hope whiter, dimaga stephano, and col join. It will be a sick tourney with those people anyways. The teams are also pissed because ESWC cut prizemoney for all competions, but at the same time put an exorbitant amount into sc2. (sc2 66k, cs 33k, dota 22k)
Isn't that kind of logical though? Sc2 as far as I know pulls in more views than cs and dota, so why not make it more interesting and offer larger prize pools?
If LoL were to be included, I would not be surprised if it got a bigger prize pool than sc2. More viewers more prizes, simple as that.
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Interesting situation, glancing over the thread it seems like its not such a simple rule alone having an effect on teams decision to boycott the event. That being said teams seem pretty united in their decision which certainly reflects onto ESWC. I'll have to read more about this.
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konadora
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lolwut? this is totally retarded, what's next, if you pay $5000 you go straight to the finals?
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On September 16 2011 20:13 konadora wrote:
lolwut? this is totally retarded, what's next, if you pay $5000 you go straight to the finals?
Not really. Read ESWC's announcement. It makes perfect sense. C'mon Kona :o
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On September 16 2011 19:35 Loodah wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 19:32 Hassybaby wrote:
Wouldn't it have made more sense to help pay for travel to qualifiers? Or a separate on-line qualifier for teams that did not have a national event to go to? I realise that its a good idea to offer teams that could not get into the finals any other way, but it does still feel like you're buying your way in. My personal opinion though there are online qualis Please read
I meant for the countries that have no qualifiers. It would basically take the same amount of effort between reading through all the apps and just setting up small online tournaments, so why not just be like "ok, for this country, we're gonna have a qualification tourney at this time, and this guy (who would have been going through the apps anyways) will be overseeing it. The winner gets an invite"
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On September 16 2011 19:22 SChlafmann wrote:
Seriously guyz, this boycott is just stupid. The 200$ fee looks totally legitimate for me. If you think you're good enough, you gotta pay 200 dols, and that is not nothing, right? We will see only really good player there and it's a good way to let them a chance.
The true question is : how many payable spot is there? This needs to be well balanced.
It's not just $200, these organisations are multigaming organisations who are being asked to pay $1k for their CS teams etc.
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I don't think anyone is boycotting this anymore since ESL stepped in and is going to help with qualifiers.
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Haha, you read further in the thread and you see certain Korean players are being sent. Oh and then all the usual names dodge even bothering to show up.
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On September 16 2011 20:30 Seronei wrote:
I don't think anyone is boycotting this anymore since ESL stepped in and is going to help with qualifiers.
could u provide more info/link to this information? im interested in reading about it
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On September 16 2011 20:39 sekritzzz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 20:30 Seronei wrote:
I don't think anyone is boycotting this anymore since ESL stepped in and is going to help with qualifiers. could u provide more info/link to this information? im interested in reading about it
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264918
But doesn't say anything if teams has gone back on their boycott. So maybe they haven't.
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The global tournaments of late have really been falling through. A similar issue happened in the CS scene where global tournaments were sticking it to the competitors in one way or another and back then when the G7 all of them boycotted and basically killed tournaments. Hopefully a similar situation does not arise and the tournament organizers realize they need to support the teams and players to get anything done.
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its quite disgusting to see teams go so far and try to make the community believe that the tournament is actually selling the top spots in the finals, thereby damaging the image and integrity of a tournament permanently, just because they dont agree with an entrance fee and want to put pressure on the organisers.
this is horrible.
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I aggree in all of the team's dicisions, for a fairly big tournament. People shouldn't just be able to buy or bid their way into the finals, that just takes away all the teams hard work and dedication to do better.
ESWC use to be a huge tournament and had many player and teams respect. But since the economic situation they seem to be doing worse and worse ever since they closed ESWC and then re-opened it. Hopefully with this boycott it will get back to it's standards and be once again a high reputable tournament.
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