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On September 02 2011 22:54 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 22:47 Bumblebee wrote:
I can say that after thorough consideration and exploring the opinions of other teams in e-Sports we, Team Liquid, have decided not to participate in the tournament either. We find tournament and the prizemoney interesting, however the $200.00/player is an issue for us. Makes sense. If i may ask, was this the only reason you decided to not to participate or did the history of the organisation/league also "bother" you and did it affect to your decisions at all? Great to see Liquid keeping people updated.
All factors of course had its effect on the decision, but it's primarily about going side by side with our fellow organisations and that we have an issue with tournaments going towards asking for huge attendant fees while we still have to cover all costs.
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On August 29 2011 21:51 Magrath wrote:
That's crazy. Money shouldn't rule esports to a point where you can buy your way in to touraments.
That is not the case, teams and players that have no qualifier will have the oppertunity to attend the event anyway. Applications will be reviewed. This is a solution for them to attend the event.
In the past qualifications were done all over the world, but these days national partners are not able/willing anymore to pay all the costs of the winner. So in order for big teams/players to attend, this system is created besides all national qualifiers.
On August 29 2011 22:00 TheSilverfox wrote:ESWC have a really bad reputation with not paying out their money. They also claim that the Prize Pool for 2011 StarCraft2 tournament is $66 000 with $24 000 to the winner: http://www.eswc.com/en/info/major-announcements-about-the-eswc-tournaments/1With this news & ESWCs reputation - will anyone come to play in this tournament? I mean, it's a lot of potential money to the winner but you really can't be sure when you get them.
The old ESWC organization went bankrupt but apart of their last event paid always all their prizemoney. The new ESWC organization paid all of their prizemoney within a few weeks, so in that case there is no reason to be afraid of being not paid.
On August 29 2011 22:01 malaan wrote:
ESWC Is and always has been a joke. I participated in the ESWC's of the early 2000's with Counter Strike and they where always plagued with stupid idiotic rules (such things as flash bugging on maps which had bugged boxes) and blatantly rigged seeding so that teams sponsored by certain companies would have an easy route to the finals.
In my experience, they where always about the money. It was never about the games. Thats why CPL took over everything worth talking about in the CS scene back then.
That situation was at the World Cyber Games, not ESWC. ESWC always had proper rules.
On August 29 2011 22:02 Seronei wrote:
I thought this was only for teams/players from countries that didn't have any ESWC qualifier?
Yes
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On August 31 2011 03:12 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 03:11 Primadog wrote:
This is not a maneuver in a court of law, a set of teams decide to not participate with a brand that shafted them, hugely, once before. Why is it wrong in your eyes? It's because of the misleading use of the entry fee argument. Which apparently worked here.
This guy said it all.
The true problem : the price of the entry fee (which can be covered by major teams but is by NO MEANS cheap) and top teams don't want to pay and decide to defame the tournament.
The argument : Places in the final can be bought (which is ABSOLUTELY FALSE)
The effect : People getting emo over it and start spreading rubbish fallacy over the interwebs. At least TL had the decency to be honest about it : they don't want to pay.
Did any discussions happened between the organisation and the teams ? Not that I heard of.
Did people boycott MLG because it's totally not worth it playing in it and the viewing condition were bad ?
I would not be surprised if once again the ESWC had huge problems. This tournament was once the best organized tournament worldwide way ahead of the WCG. And after sponsors killed it once, will competitors finish the job ?
I will go to the Paris Games Week and cheer on the SC2 players during the weekend and it won't matter TO ME if they paid or not or if the price is too high . I support eSports by providing the best support there is : viewership.
Shame on those hypocrites who use pseudo morality to obtain what they want.
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Koreans at ESWC haha probably even more of a reason for foreign teams to not want to go.
Ill definitely be watching, screw the boycott  its petty bickering over a registration fee. If teams dont want to pay for it thats fine, but why boycott it doesnt change anything.
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It's ridiculous having to pay that much AND covering the travel cost, seriously. If they can't have qualifier everywhere, then why don't they just invite a couple of players from those qualifierless contry, like they did for Korea? And... 200$ per player, wtf?
I'll not watch it.
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I won't watch for the reasons listed in the op, given that no player of those teams will attend, and the fact that MKP, MC and Nada will all go, it's gonna be korean top 3 anyways...
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I will be watching for sure. I was attending ESWC live and it was awesome. 
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I guess SK Gaming is not so worried anymore. iirc MC and Nada get their international events sponsored by them and now they are attending ESWC. Does not sound like that much of a boycott to me, even if they do not have to pay fees for their invites (not sure if that's the case but would be kind of retarded otherwise)
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good thing that the teams do someting about this
+1
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On September 16 2011 00:02 DonkeyShot wrote:
I guess SK Gaming is not so worried anymore. iirc MC and Nada get their international events sponsored by them and now they are attending ESWC. Does not sound like that much of a boycott to me, even if they do not have to pay fees for their invites (not sure if that's the case but would be kind of retarded otherwise)
MC/NaDa have been sent by GOM, not by SK. Having said that it would not surprise me if they would be pulled because SK would veto it.
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On September 16 2011 00:02 DonkeyShot wrote:
I guess SK Gaming is not so worried anymore. iirc MC and Nada get their international events sponsored by them and now they are attending ESWC. Does not sound like that much of a boycott to me, even if they do not have to pay fees for their invites (not sure if that's the case but would be kind of retarded otherwise)
Since it is a partnership between Gom and ESWC, I don't think SK Gaming has anything to do with it. They will probably get everything paid.
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On September 16 2011 00:04 Wroshe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 00:02 DonkeyShot wrote:
I guess SK Gaming is not so worried anymore. iirc MC and Nada get their international events sponsored by them and now they are attending ESWC. Does not sound like that much of a boycott to me, even if they do not have to pay fees for their invites (not sure if that's the case but would be kind of retarded otherwise) MC/NaDa have been sent by GOM, not by SK. Having said that it would not surprise me if they would be pulled because SK would veto it.
Good point. Depends on their contract with SK I guess.
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On September 16 2011 00:05 Da-Muffinman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 00:02 DonkeyShot wrote:
I guess SK Gaming is not so worried anymore. iirc MC and Nada get their international events sponsored by them and now they are attending ESWC. Does not sound like that much of a boycott to me, even if they do not have to pay fees for their invites (not sure if that's the case but would be kind of retarded otherwise) Since it is a partnership between Gom and ESWC, I don't think SK Gaming has anything to do with it. They will probably get everything paid.
Good point also : ). We'll probably just see them without their SK jerseys.
// sorry for double post. Should have just edited it : (
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Only international tournament with great players in France and they do this?
Thank you ESWC.
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I feel sorry for all those progamers who cant compete in this turnament because their team dont let them. 
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On September 16 2011 00:20 leBIGcrab wrote:
Only international tournament with great players in France and they do this?
Thank you ESWC.
At least they're consistent with their retardness.
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First of all, the OLD eswc-org didnt pay out, the new one has.
Why is this in SC2 General?
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I don't get it and am kinda confused, don't players/teams have to pay ONLY if there is no qualifier In their region? Escw obviously doesn't cover everywhere but they cover a large part of the most famous places.
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EPT
