On August 29 2011 22:14 Shana wrote: Wait, so there will be no national qualifiers?
Yeah there will be 27 national qualifiers. I think the list of country with qualifier can be found on the eswc website.
On August 29 2011 22:16 busbarn wrote: It's a bit silly to boycott for something like this imo. AFAIK winners of qualifiers get paid travel etc, so my point is, I think that the teams would rather qualify than buying a spot, no? Also more teams/players the merrier?
You can't apply for a place in the finals if you have a qualifier in your country. So if you have a qualifier in your country, that's the only way to qualify.
What the hell?? Seriously offering spots to those with the cash? Down right ridiculous and infuriating as jeopardizes the very legitimacy of the competition. Who the hell thought this was a good idea?
Well, it's really sad how ppl want to squeeze out money from anything they can think of. Very nice to see, how they shoot themselves in the face with their fuc*ing greed.
On August 29 2011 22:23 skeldark wrote: why do i have to think of d3 when i read this?
I always have to remember that TL is a completely different community from the one I came from, and that this ignorance to what ESWC was and is, is not all that far-fetched to see. With that said, it's already been cleared up in subsequent responses to the OP. It would be nice for the OP to update with accurate information rather than what it contains.
That said, I dream of a day when ESWC goes back to the original people, original mission:
PS:
On August 29 2011 22:01 malaan wrote: ESWC Is and always has been a joke. I participated in the ESWC's of the early 2000's with Counter Strike and they where always plagued with stupid idiotic rules (such things as flash bugging on maps which had bugged boxes) and blatantly rigged seeding so that teams sponsored by certain companies would have an easy route to the finals.
In my experience, they where always about the money. It was never about the games. Thats why CPL took over everything worth talking about in the CS scene back then.
On August 29 2011 22:16 busbarn wrote: It's a bit silly to boycott for something like this imo. AFAIK winners of qualifiers get paid travel etc, so my point is, I think that the teams would rather qualify than buying a spot, no? Also more teams/players the merrier?
Your post made no sense at all.
On topic: Ridiculous. Who would come up with such an idea with a straigth face.
Money grubbing a-holes. Someone at ESWC has to be fired. Im sure there are hard working smart and intelligent people in positions which arent important enough to let them make decisions for the organization. Give them a go and see what a well run ESWC would really look like.
On August 29 2011 22:16 busbarn wrote: It's a bit silly to boycott for something like this imo. AFAIK winners of qualifiers get paid travel etc, so my point is, I think that the teams would rather qualify than buying a spot, no? Also more teams/players the merrier?
You can't apply for a place in the finals if you have a qualifier in your country. So if you have a qualifier in your country, that's the only way to qualify.
Read this post instead of blindly answering the op, PLEASE !
Selling "slots" was a bad idea, but it was just reserved for countries without the infrastructure to organize a national qualifier. I don't think it cheapens too much the competition if someone buys his ticket (Korea TOP3 anyway).
This tournament may have the term "world" on it, but money already was a huge deal. All countries were offered three places, yet Poland will send just one player, Ukraine two (i think) and Germany 3. Does Germany has more talented players than Poland or Ukraine? Hard to argue, but they have more money, so they can pay 3 plane tickets. Most countries can hardly pay for one.
I'm not saying this is right or fair. It is not. but money already had a huge role in the organization of this tournament. This is just one more step on that direction. Instead of whining, i would prefer that those teams gave out money for one or two more slots for their excellent polish and Ukrainian players.
Im just gonna say something, ESWC 2010 actually paid out all the money within weeks of the final, they had obtained a bank guarantee for this. Although I can definitely see why the top teams would boycott over this ridiculous registration fee, I also think that it is wrong for you guys to splurt out rubbish like "not paying prize money". You may be thinking of ESWC 2008, when the company in charge of ESWC at the time went bankrupt (early 2009 iirc) before the money got paid out. The brand was then bought by Games-Solutions who, despite having a rocky history, delivered on their promises with ESWC 2010. Although I think this registration fee is ridiculous, you guys are making ridiculous, unfounded accusations over prize money :|
On August 29 2011 22:40 divito wrote: I always have to remember that TL is a completely different community from the one I came from, and that this ignorance to what ESWC was and is, is not all that far-fetched to see.
I dream of a day when ESWC goes back to the original people, original mission:
I don't think it ever will.
On topic, I hope people understand that it's not really a big deal of a news. ESWC is not asking people to pay to come to the finals. I guess big teams are boycotting ESWC mostly because of political reason (we know ESWC is not what it used to be).
I really want to here what people like EG or SK have to say on that. Because if it's just "people without can come to the finals by just paying $200" that's a bit dissapointing.
I'll boycott watching this tournament. What's wrong with those guys ? They should get inspired by all the good tourneys curently offered and take lessons out of them (TSL, GSL, MLG, NASL, IPL.......) Their way to do it is simply wrong and looks like money grabbing more than anything else.
Don't get why people are raging about this. This if for countries without qualifiers right? To have a qualifier I believe you have to buy a licence and then they normally pay for travel etc. This is for teams in countries that don't have a scene to buy a licence and send them so either way you are paying for a spot? Like say a team from my country wanted to go to ESWC they wouldn't be able to since we don't have anyone hosting qualifiers, this way they could still go out of their own money and aren't hindered just because our scene is small.
On August 29 2011 22:58 Diks wrote: I'll boycott watching this tournament. What's wrong with those guys ? They should get inspired by all the good tourneys curently offered and take lessons out of them (TSL, GSL, MLG, NASL, IPL.......) Their way to do it is simply wrong and looks like money grabbing more than anything else.
They are offering good players from "underdeveloped esport countries (lol)" to still participate if they have the means to do so. Why is this entirely bad?
IPL charges 20$ per participant for their qualifier, NASL charges 10$ iirc. ESWC is holding free qualifiers in these countries.
Myself I hope this is just some negotiation ploy by the teams to get the price lowered, I miss what the ESWC used to be.
Isn't what these teams doing to ESWC exactly the same thing the Korean teams did to NASL? I don't see what the big deal is with registration fees, it shouldn't be free to participate.
On August 29 2011 22:52 legaton wrote: Selling "slots" was a bad idea, but it was just reserved for countries without the infrastructure to organize a national qualifier. I don't think it cheapens too much the competition if someone buys his ticket (Korea TOP3 anyway).
I don't get this, it was only reserved for countries without "infrastructure to organize a national qualifier"?
There are a lot of prominent SC2 countries that don't have a national qualifiers that the eSport community definitely have the infrastructure to organize a such qualifier (Canada, Sweden etc.).
Or do you mean that ESWC does not have the connections/capacity/infrastructure for national qualifiers in these countries?
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