EPTSome random Terran giving his opinion on the 1/1/1 build :o
Why 1/1/1 is considered to be imbalanced in Korea - Page 65
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Morrisson
289 Posts
Some random Terran giving his opinion on the 1/1/1 build :o | ||
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Aletheia27
United States267 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:42 sekritzzz wrote: So in these 64 pages, has any of these pro-engineering theory-crafters found a viable solution for this build? or refuted the OP's claim in how its impossible to keep up with the terran's production output? I've skimmed through the pages but nobody seems to be giving a decent answer to the build itself. Pretty much no...as most of this thread is balance whine without much thought as to the strategy >_> That or whatever you may suggest ends up being "low level" or not korean gm... It's kind of a hard discussion as everyone is so incredibly biased and theory gives way to other theory without any testing or results. And the results that do turn up are ignored and disregarded as not related to the thing that they were testing... | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
that's why it's so refreshing to see him losing ZvZ | ||
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rdr
Sweden48 Posts
that's why it's so refreshing to see him losing ZvZ zvz yea becouse he gets pawned by the infestor zergs | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:38 Yaotzin wrote: Cannons are such a brilliant idea against a siege tank push, it's difficult to express my admiration in you for figuring out such an amazing counter. The tank variation gets absolutely raped by phoenix builds, because u use guardian shield, walk zealots in and lift tanks. all the guy has left is non-stimmed marines against guardian shield forcefields and zealots... that's easy win. Against the banshee variation (which is stronger imo,) you need cannons because stalkers are so fucking bad. Also sentries can target down and kill the PDD very easily. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:53 {ToT}ColmA wrote: that whine is kinda annoying cuz if u play vs p and u dont play 111 he will still whine after the game that u did ...thats kinda sad :3 because terran players never complain after losing lategame against colossus templar carrier right? | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:50 Kiarip wrote: The tank variation gets absolutely raped by phoenix builds, because u use guardian shield, walk zealots in and lift tanks. all the guy has left is non-stimmed marines against guardian shield forcefields and zealots... that's easy win. Against the banshee variation (which is stronger imo,) you need cannons because stalkers are so fucking bad. Also sentries can target down and kill the PDD very easily. What about the variation which uses both Banshees and Tanks... you know, the one called the 1-1-1 build? | ||
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skatbone
United States1005 Posts
I've read a lot of this thread but not all of it, so please excuse me if this has been raised. I find the many 1-1-1s difficult to defend and I appreciate the OPs summary of how Koreans are reacting to it. | ||
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Elean
689 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:20 kheldorin wrote: You're wrong because Jinro won MLG with it and TSL Rain got to the finals with it. It hasn't made much of an impression on you because actually Protoss players are really slow to QQ compared to the Zerg. And even now, there are Protoss players that are very sure that they can hold it even though there are disagreements. MLG dallas ?? There have been so many balance changes since then that it simply can't be the same situation. And there is a huge difference between "existing" and "being popular". Just like blue flame helions, it exists since basically the release of the game. But it has only been recently popularized. There are Protoss players that are very sure that they can hold it ??? Well, you know what, I'd really prefer to hear from them how to deal with it, rather than seeing all the QQ. Comparatively, Zerg was all pure whining even when the stats indicated they were not UP. This was mainly because they have vocal Zerg players like Idra. According to July TLPD, the most imbalanced match up is ZvT. If you look in the forums, all you see is PvT complains. Even if I like hearing Idra's opinion. A player like him really doesn't help with balance, it just make people rage more. I personnaly still don't feel helpless in PvT, like I felt before in others match up. | ||
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Vladix
Netherlands227 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:56 skatbone wrote: Has anyone tried or seen a pro try mass hallucinations to tank damage (hallucinated Archons perhaps?)? Hit straight on with the hallucinations and flank with zealots? I've read a lot of this thread but not all of it, so please excuse me if this has been raised. I find the many 1-1-1s difficult to defend and I appreciate the OPs summary of how Koreans are reacting to it. Raven + Scans.... | ||
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:56 skatbone wrote: Has anyone tried or seen a pro try mass hallucinations to tank damage (hallucinated Archons perhaps?)? Hit straight on with the hallucinations and flank with zealots? I've read a lot of this thread but not all of it, so please excuse me if this has been raised. I find the many 1-1-1s difficult to defend and I appreciate the OPs summary of how Koreans are reacting to it. The most analagous example I can think of is MC's attempted breakout v MVP in his group matches. The raven spotted all the hallu's so they did very little besides make it a bit tougher for the real units to get into position. | ||
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rdr
Sweden48 Posts
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:56 skatbone wrote: Has anyone tried or seen a pro try mass hallucinations to tank damage (hallucinated Archons perhaps?)? Hit straight on with the hallucinations and flank with zealots? I've read a lot of this thread but not all of it, so please excuse me if this has been raised. I find the many 1-1-1s difficult to defend and I appreciate the OPs summary of how Koreans are reacting to it. I thought of hallucinations but most of the time the 1-1-1 comes with a raven which completely nullifies hallucination, putting you down 100/100 if anything. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On August 23 2011 05:02 rdr wrote: I thought of this question long ago but forgot and now i remeber it. is David Kim the best protoss player in the world or does he suck witth terran or zerg? Eh... wait, what? Davie is a random player in Masters (or is it GM?). I think he is one of the highest ranked random players in the world, but not sure. | ||
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rdr
Sweden48 Posts
Eh... wait, what? Davie is a random player in Masters (or is it GM?). I think he is one of the highest ranked random players in the world, but not sure. Yes but hes a blizzard employee to and is testing the game for balance purpose. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
 On August 23 2011 05:07 SeaSwift wrote: Eh... wait, what? Davie is a random player in Masters (or is it GM?). I think he is one of the highest ranked random players in the world, but not sure. I believe it's GM actually and yes, last I checked he was the highest ranked random player in the world. Surprised to see that the mods let this thread live. So much balance whining, thought we had a thread for that  | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
On August 23 2011 05:11 BigFan wrote: ^^??? He earned his way into GM, wasn't just put there because he's a Blizzard employee I believe it's GM actually and yes, last I checked he was the highest ranked random player in the world. Surprised to see that the mods let this thread live. So much balance whining, thought we had a thread for that beneath the whine there are some legitimate arguments, also the mods would rather keep things in one or two threads than let it spread everywhere, as it stands all of the 1/1/1 balance whine is being directed here, otherwise people would start making more and more threads which would require the mods to lock them all, which can be quite tiring and annoying | ||
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Raid
United States398 Posts
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Whalecore
Norway1111 Posts
On August 23 2011 04:56 skatbone wrote: Has anyone tried or seen a pro try mass hallucinations to tank damage (hallucinated Archons perhaps?)? Hit straight on with the hallucinations and flank with zealots? I've read a lot of this thread but not all of it, so please excuse me if this has been raised. I find the many 1-1-1s difficult to defend and I appreciate the OPs summary of how Koreans are reacting to it. Yes MC did this in GSL Got owned! | ||
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