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On August 18 2011 09:12 mav451 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:56 Heavenly wrote:
Lol at everyone complaining at the Korean's demands. Their demands are reasonable and, they are, in fact the rock stars of the Starcraft 2 scene. They are able to ask for these accomodations if they want, they didn't ask for champagne and for the wives/girlfriends of the NASL producers. The money they bring by having more viewers come to the NASL should more than make up for the additional fees they're asking for. It's smart negotiation, deal with it and stop acting like their demands are unreasonable.
As for backing out of signed contracts, since there was apparently no legal repercussions, who cares? Obviously they don't take these sort of things as seriously as other countries. Bashing on them because their culture doesn't emphasize something that yours does is ridiculous. I've read interviews in Korea where they just go "So MC, looks like you're getting pretty fat" and heard stories of Boxer walking around saying people are fat/ugly. Seems like they just do and say what they want to. Does it actually affect anyone here besides NASL if the Koreans choose to back out of the contract and any ethical dilemmas associated with that? People will take any opportunity to judge and tear down others for their actions even when it literally affects nothing in their lives. I don't think you understand the significance of backing out of a contract. A contract is a contract. It has never been a question of culture in that regard. Backing out of a contract is a highly unprofessional and has nothing to do with "tearing down others".
Pretty much this.
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On August 18 2011 10:21 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:12 furymonkey wrote:On August 18 2011 09:59 Whitewing wrote:On August 18 2011 08:43 Cyrak wrote:
NASL has no choice in the matter. With the number of tournaments popping up with equal or higher production value it's becoming more and more about which players you have and if there's anything that has been made clear in the past few months (especially after the past two amazing MLGs) it's that if you don't have high level Koreans at your event then you ain't much. NASL does have a choice, and people need to stop pretending that they can't enjoy watching games played when koreans aren't involved. Unless you yourself play at the extreme top level, most people can't even really tell the difference that much between absurdly tip top play and just near tip top play. NASL is filled with grandmasters and pro gamers, they aren't bad players, they just aren't the absolute best int he world. Plenty of foreigners can show great games, and I know I enjoy watching many of them. People aren't pretending. Once you saw multi-front drops/harass with big battles going on while they still keeping up with macro, a back and forth game. You'd know it's a whole different level than someone does a drop while there is a main battle going on, and the side who got dropped failed to recover and result in a inevitable loss, with no back and forth game. You do not need to be a top player to appreciate that level of play, it's the casters job to let the average viewers know. The fact that you need a caster to tell you the difference shows that the games can be quite fun to watch. You can have fun watching great players play, it doesn't have to be Nestea vs. MVP/MC every game to be enjoyable. I know my favorite match of SC2 ever that I watched was TLO(R) vs. Liquid`Nazgul(P) during the beta, game 2 on metalopolis, and it was certainly not best player in the world quality play.
The casters have more information than the viewers, since they are the observers. If a viewer does not know that a drop is being made in the main of one player while there is a big battle going on in the middle of the map, it is impossible for the viewer to know the impact if the casters/observers does not react to this. They also can use the statistics available through the observer tools to have a more accurate assessment of the game after a key engagement.
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On August 18 2011 10:48 Psychobabas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 09:12 mav451 wrote:On August 18 2011 08:56 Heavenly wrote:
Lol at everyone complaining at the Korean's demands. Their demands are reasonable and, they are, in fact the rock stars of the Starcraft 2 scene. They are able to ask for these accomodations if they want, they didn't ask for champagne and for the wives/girlfriends of the NASL producers. The money they bring by having more viewers come to the NASL should more than make up for the additional fees they're asking for. It's smart negotiation, deal with it and stop acting like their demands are unreasonable.
As for backing out of signed contracts, since there was apparently no legal repercussions, who cares? Obviously they don't take these sort of things as seriously as other countries. Bashing on them because their culture doesn't emphasize something that yours does is ridiculous. I've read interviews in Korea where they just go "So MC, looks like you're getting pretty fat" and heard stories of Boxer walking around saying people are fat/ugly. Seems like they just do and say what they want to. Does it actually affect anyone here besides NASL if the Koreans choose to back out of the contract and any ethical dilemmas associated with that? People will take any opportunity to judge and tear down others for their actions even when it literally affects nothing in their lives. I don't think you understand the significance of backing out of a contract. A contract is a contract. It has never been a question of culture in that regard. Backing out of a contract is a highly unprofessional and has nothing to do with "tearing down others". Pretty much this.
Quoting myself from previous post.
On August 18 2011 09:46 furymonkey wrote:
I have no knowledge in this field but perhaps some people do. Even through backing out a contract can result in legal consequence, but isn't it only happened if the contract is deemed fair? I'm sure there are many cases where a party signed a unfair contract (They weren't careful) and later backed out, civil court wouldn't simply judge the case solely on "break of contract".
And in this case the Korean teams simply felt that the contracts were "unfair", as advancing to the season final would result loss more money than people who didn't go to the season finals if they weren't coming out ahead.
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On August 18 2011 10:52 kochujang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:21 Whitewing wrote:On August 18 2011 10:12 furymonkey wrote:On August 18 2011 09:59 Whitewing wrote:On August 18 2011 08:43 Cyrak wrote:
NASL has no choice in the matter. With the number of tournaments popping up with equal or higher production value it's becoming more and more about which players you have and if there's anything that has been made clear in the past few months (especially after the past two amazing MLGs) it's that if you don't have high level Koreans at your event then you ain't much. NASL does have a choice, and people need to stop pretending that they can't enjoy watching games played when koreans aren't involved. Unless you yourself play at the extreme top level, most people can't even really tell the difference that much between absurdly tip top play and just near tip top play. NASL is filled with grandmasters and pro gamers, they aren't bad players, they just aren't the absolute best int he world. Plenty of foreigners can show great games, and I know I enjoy watching many of them. People aren't pretending. Once you saw multi-front drops/harass with big battles going on while they still keeping up with macro, a back and forth game. You'd know it's a whole different level than someone does a drop while there is a main battle going on, and the side who got dropped failed to recover and result in a inevitable loss, with no back and forth game. You do not need to be a top player to appreciate that level of play, it's the casters job to let the average viewers know. The fact that you need a caster to tell you the difference shows that the games can be quite fun to watch. You can have fun watching great players play, it doesn't have to be Nestea vs. MVP/MC every game to be enjoyable. I know my favorite match of SC2 ever that I watched was TLO(R) vs. Liquid`Nazgul(P) during the beta, game 2 on metalopolis, and it was certainly not best player in the world quality play. The casters have more information than the viewers, since they are the observers. If a viewer does not know that a drop is being made in the main of one player while there is a big battle going on in the middle of the map, it is impossible for the viewer to know the impact if the casters/observers does not react to this. They also can use the statistics available through the observer tools to have a more accurate assessment of the game after a key engagement.
Correct, the viewer only knows what they see and what the caster tells them.
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On August 18 2011 10:53 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:48 Psychobabas wrote:On August 18 2011 09:12 mav451 wrote:On August 18 2011 08:56 Heavenly wrote:
Lol at everyone complaining at the Korean's demands. Their demands are reasonable and, they are, in fact the rock stars of the Starcraft 2 scene. They are able to ask for these accomodations if they want, they didn't ask for champagne and for the wives/girlfriends of the NASL producers. The money they bring by having more viewers come to the NASL should more than make up for the additional fees they're asking for. It's smart negotiation, deal with it and stop acting like their demands are unreasonable.
As for backing out of signed contracts, since there was apparently no legal repercussions, who cares? Obviously they don't take these sort of things as seriously as other countries. Bashing on them because their culture doesn't emphasize something that yours does is ridiculous. I've read interviews in Korea where they just go "So MC, looks like you're getting pretty fat" and heard stories of Boxer walking around saying people are fat/ugly. Seems like they just do and say what they want to. Does it actually affect anyone here besides NASL if the Koreans choose to back out of the contract and any ethical dilemmas associated with that? People will take any opportunity to judge and tear down others for their actions even when it literally affects nothing in their lives. I don't think you understand the significance of backing out of a contract. A contract is a contract. It has never been a question of culture in that regard. Backing out of a contract is a highly unprofessional and has nothing to do with "tearing down others". Pretty much this. Quoting myself from previous post. Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 09:46 furymonkey wrote:
I have no knowledge in this field but perhaps some people do. Even through backing out a contract can result in legal consequence, but isn't it only happened if the contract is deemed fair? I'm sure there are many cases where a party signed a unfair contract (They weren't careful) and later backed out, civil court wouldn't simply judge the case solely on "break of contract".
And in this case the Korean teams simply felt that the contracts were "unfair", as advancing to the season final would result loss more money than people who didn't go to the season finals if they weren't coming out ahead.
By signing the contract to begin with you are saying something to the effect of "I understand everything in this contract and agree with it.". So if you think a contract is unfair, don't sign it. Because unless it has some clause in it that is absolutely absurd (sexual favors and what not) you WILL be held accountable for breaking said contract. If I'm incorrect about this, please feel free to correct me.
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On August 18 2011 10:58 BeefyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:53 furymonkey wrote:On August 18 2011 10:48 Psychobabas wrote:On August 18 2011 09:12 mav451 wrote:On August 18 2011 08:56 Heavenly wrote:
Lol at everyone complaining at the Korean's demands. Their demands are reasonable and, they are, in fact the rock stars of the Starcraft 2 scene. They are able to ask for these accomodations if they want, they didn't ask for champagne and for the wives/girlfriends of the NASL producers. The money they bring by having more viewers come to the NASL should more than make up for the additional fees they're asking for. It's smart negotiation, deal with it and stop acting like their demands are unreasonable.
As for backing out of signed contracts, since there was apparently no legal repercussions, who cares? Obviously they don't take these sort of things as seriously as other countries. Bashing on them because their culture doesn't emphasize something that yours does is ridiculous. I've read interviews in Korea where they just go "So MC, looks like you're getting pretty fat" and heard stories of Boxer walking around saying people are fat/ugly. Seems like they just do and say what they want to. Does it actually affect anyone here besides NASL if the Koreans choose to back out of the contract and any ethical dilemmas associated with that? People will take any opportunity to judge and tear down others for their actions even when it literally affects nothing in their lives. I don't think you understand the significance of backing out of a contract. A contract is a contract. It has never been a question of culture in that regard. Backing out of a contract is a highly unprofessional and has nothing to do with "tearing down others". Pretty much this. Quoting myself from previous post. On August 18 2011 09:46 furymonkey wrote:
I have no knowledge in this field but perhaps some people do. Even through backing out a contract can result in legal consequence, but isn't it only happened if the contract is deemed fair? I'm sure there are many cases where a party signed a unfair contract (They weren't careful) and later backed out, civil court wouldn't simply judge the case solely on "break of contract".
And in this case the Korean teams simply felt that the contracts were "unfair", as advancing to the season final would result loss more money than people who didn't go to the season finals if they weren't coming out ahead.
By signing the contract to begin with you are saying something to the effect of "I understand everything in this contract and agree with it.". So if you think a contract is unfair, don't sign it. Because unless it has some clause in it that is absolutely absurd (sexual favors and what not) you WILL be held accountable for breaking said contract. If I'm incorrect about this, please feel free to correct me.
Obviously there are enough questionable contract out there for it to be heard in news regularly. And the same can be applied here, we just don't have all the details. That is why we shouldn't solely looking at it as whoever broke the contract is the unprofessional one. Because as far as I know, an unreasonable contract can still be broken without consequence.
We need someone more professional to answer this question for us.
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On August 18 2011 11:11 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:58 BeefyKnight wrote:On August 18 2011 10:53 furymonkey wrote:On August 18 2011 10:48 Psychobabas wrote:On August 18 2011 09:12 mav451 wrote:On August 18 2011 08:56 Heavenly wrote:
Lol at everyone complaining at the Korean's demands. Their demands are reasonable and, they are, in fact the rock stars of the Starcraft 2 scene. They are able to ask for these accomodations if they want, they didn't ask for champagne and for the wives/girlfriends of the NASL producers. The money they bring by having more viewers come to the NASL should more than make up for the additional fees they're asking for. It's smart negotiation, deal with it and stop acting like their demands are unreasonable.
As for backing out of signed contracts, since there was apparently no legal repercussions, who cares? Obviously they don't take these sort of things as seriously as other countries. Bashing on them because their culture doesn't emphasize something that yours does is ridiculous. I've read interviews in Korea where they just go "So MC, looks like you're getting pretty fat" and heard stories of Boxer walking around saying people are fat/ugly. Seems like they just do and say what they want to. Does it actually affect anyone here besides NASL if the Koreans choose to back out of the contract and any ethical dilemmas associated with that? People will take any opportunity to judge and tear down others for their actions even when it literally affects nothing in their lives. I don't think you understand the significance of backing out of a contract. A contract is a contract. It has never been a question of culture in that regard. Backing out of a contract is a highly unprofessional and has nothing to do with "tearing down others". Pretty much this. Quoting myself from previous post. On August 18 2011 09:46 furymonkey wrote:
I have no knowledge in this field but perhaps some people do. Even through backing out a contract can result in legal consequence, but isn't it only happened if the contract is deemed fair? I'm sure there are many cases where a party signed a unfair contract (They weren't careful) and later backed out, civil court wouldn't simply judge the case solely on "break of contract".
And in this case the Korean teams simply felt that the contracts were "unfair", as advancing to the season final would result loss more money than people who didn't go to the season finals if they weren't coming out ahead.
By signing the contract to begin with you are saying something to the effect of "I understand everything in this contract and agree with it.". So if you think a contract is unfair, don't sign it. Because unless it has some clause in it that is absolutely absurd (sexual favors and what not) you WILL be held accountable for breaking said contract. If I'm incorrect about this, please feel free to correct me. Obviously there are enough questionable contract out there for it to be heard in news regularly. And the same can be applied here, we just don't have all the details. That is why we shouldn't solely looking at it as whoever broke the contract is the unprofessional one. Because as far as I know, an unreasonable contract can still be broken without consequence. We need someone more professional to answer this question for us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscionability
The law is, of course, different in different countries. But 'unfairness' in the context of unconscienability is not really all 'unfairness' in the common usage of the word, but rather more specific.
Ofc, there's plenty of other possible issues with contracts.
EDIT: Also, to clarify, a bad bargain is fine. A bad bargain is not unconscionable per se.
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On August 18 2011 11:11 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:58 BeefyKnight wrote:On August 18 2011 10:53 furymonkey wrote:On August 18 2011 10:48 Psychobabas wrote:On August 18 2011 09:12 mav451 wrote:On August 18 2011 08:56 Heavenly wrote:
Lol at everyone complaining at the Korean's demands. Their demands are reasonable and, they are, in fact the rock stars of the Starcraft 2 scene. They are able to ask for these accomodations if they want, they didn't ask for champagne and for the wives/girlfriends of the NASL producers. The money they bring by having more viewers come to the NASL should more than make up for the additional fees they're asking for. It's smart negotiation, deal with it and stop acting like their demands are unreasonable.
As for backing out of signed contracts, since there was apparently no legal repercussions, who cares? Obviously they don't take these sort of things as seriously as other countries. Bashing on them because their culture doesn't emphasize something that yours does is ridiculous. I've read interviews in Korea where they just go "So MC, looks like you're getting pretty fat" and heard stories of Boxer walking around saying people are fat/ugly. Seems like they just do and say what they want to. Does it actually affect anyone here besides NASL if the Koreans choose to back out of the contract and any ethical dilemmas associated with that? People will take any opportunity to judge and tear down others for their actions even when it literally affects nothing in their lives. I don't think you understand the significance of backing out of a contract. A contract is a contract. It has never been a question of culture in that regard. Backing out of a contract is a highly unprofessional and has nothing to do with "tearing down others". Pretty much this. Quoting myself from previous post. On August 18 2011 09:46 furymonkey wrote:
I have no knowledge in this field but perhaps some people do. Even through backing out a contract can result in legal consequence, but isn't it only happened if the contract is deemed fair? I'm sure there are many cases where a party signed a unfair contract (They weren't careful) and later backed out, civil court wouldn't simply judge the case solely on "break of contract".
And in this case the Korean teams simply felt that the contracts were "unfair", as advancing to the season final would result loss more money than people who didn't go to the season finals if they weren't coming out ahead.
By signing the contract to begin with you are saying something to the effect of "I understand everything in this contract and agree with it.". So if you think a contract is unfair, don't sign it. Because unless it has some clause in it that is absolutely absurd (sexual favors and what not) you WILL be held accountable for breaking said contract. If I'm incorrect about this, please feel free to correct me. Obviously there are enough questionable contract out there for it to be heard in news regularly. And the same can be applied here, we just don't have all the details. That is why we shouldn't solely looking at it as whoever broke the contract is the unprofessional one. Because as far as I know, an unreasonable contract can still be broken without consequence. We need someone more professional to answer this question for us.
The only time I hear about people breaching a contract on the news is when they're talking about the ramifications of breaking it. So there are clearly some differences between US and NZ laws regarding it. But I'm fairly confident about my response. (in regard to US law anyway)
Edit: Don't look too much into the sexual favors thing I was just using that as an example of something absurd. I should have picked another one.
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Can't believe the NASL's so stubborn. IMO they have much more to lose without the Korean players than to gain by saving money on the travel expenses. We'll I guess the NASL will get what they always wanted, a league for North Americans. GLHF with that.
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Korean demands are ridiculous. The players teams are in charge of all the travel and accommodations, not the league. I know Korean teams aren't rolling in money, but they need to start mirroring the foreigner business models.
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On August 18 2011 09:12 mav451 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:56 Heavenly wrote:
Lol at everyone complaining at the Korean's demands. Their demands are reasonable and, they are, in fact the rock stars of the Starcraft 2 scene. They are able to ask for these accomodations if they want, they didn't ask for champagne and for the wives/girlfriends of the NASL producers. The money they bring by having more viewers come to the NASL should more than make up for the additional fees they're asking for. It's smart negotiation, deal with it and stop acting like their demands are unreasonable.
As for backing out of signed contracts, since there was apparently no legal repercussions, who cares? Obviously they don't take these sort of things as seriously as other countries. Bashing on them because their culture doesn't emphasize something that yours does is ridiculous. I've read interviews in Korea where they just go "So MC, looks like you're getting pretty fat" and heard stories of Boxer walking around saying people are fat/ugly. Seems like they just do and say what they want to. Does it actually affect anyone here besides NASL if the Koreans choose to back out of the contract and any ethical dilemmas associated with that? People will take any opportunity to judge and tear down others for their actions even when it literally affects nothing in their lives. I don't think you understand the significance of backing out of a contract. A contract is a contract. It has never been a question of culture in that regard. Backing out of a contract is a highly unprofessional and has nothing to do with "tearing down others".
I have to agree with this as well, if the koreans have some grievance with the NASL you get that worked out before you sign the contract, not a week after you sign it right before the season. When you sign a contract you are agreeing to the terms in the contract. Since there is not a governing body for SC2 though i dont think koreans are going to face any repercussions witch they should for throwing the NASL under the bus like this.
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On August 18 2011 12:01 geneman7 wrote:
Can't believe the NASL's so stubborn. IMO they have much more to lose without the Korean players than to gain by saving money on the travel expenses. We'll I guess the NASL will get what they always wanted, a league for North Americans. GLHF with that.
Uh no where did they say that they only wanted it to be a league for North Americans so don't start that b.s. and what do you want the NASL to just give in? The Koreans are not entitled to get everything for free.
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Is it just me or did anyone else burst out laughing at the comment from MVP coach that NASL only focuses on production and the tournament.
Is the NASL good at anything other than alienating the community, both players and fans?
How could an organization turn out so horribly bad? Who are the guys in charge of the org? Two chimps in suits?
Now maybe the Koreans are being greedy, we won't ever know, but god, other tournaments deal with them and noone has had issues like this. Noone has run bawling to TL. I just can't see organizers of Dreamhack, IGN, MLG or even any of the other lesser known tournaments screwing up so badly at every turn and opportunity.
Boxer refusing to participate in Season 2 (and the guy loves his NA fans) was a sure tip-off that the tournament left a bad taste on the players who participated.
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I place the fault of leading the NASL along on the Korean team's shoulders, but at the same time, I think a lot of people on the forums underestimate how poor the average Korean SC2 team has now. Overall, Korea's got the skill, Foreigner's got the money. At least that is how I think Korean's see it anyway.
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On August 18 2011 08:43 Cyrak wrote:
NASL has no choice in the matter. With the number of tournaments popping up with equal or higher production value it's becoming more and more about which players you have and if there's anything that has been made clear in the past few months (especially after the past two amazing MLGs) it's that if you don't have high level Koreans at your event then you ain't much.
Koreans arent the beginning and end of SC 2 anymore. You can have a league with top players and exclude Koreans, elitists may bitch and whine, but good games can happen without them. Shocking I know. All the complaining from the koreans sounds like they're on teams that cannot properly support them. I see many of them leaving for foreign teams sooner or later.
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On August 18 2011 12:20 openbox1 wrote:
Now maybe the Koreans are being greedy, we won't ever know, but god, other tournaments deal with them and noone has had issues like this. Noone has run bawling to TL. I just can't see organizers of Dreamhack, IGN, MLG or even any of the other lesser known tournaments screwing up so badly at every turn and opportunity.
IIRC, MKP, Nada, FruitDealer and few other pulled out of Dreamhack in the last minute also. I dont remember the Dreamhack organizer throwing a hissy fit in TL 
edit.
found the TL thread
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=233411
notice the different tone in that one compared to NASL 'announcement'
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On August 18 2011 12:29 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:43 Cyrak wrote:
NASL has no choice in the matter. With the number of tournaments popping up with equal or higher production value it's becoming more and more about which players you have and if there's anything that has been made clear in the past few months (especially after the past two amazing MLGs) it's that if you don't have high level Koreans at your event then you ain't much. Koreans arent the beginning and end of SC 2 anymore. You can have a league with top players and exclude Koreans, elitists may bitch and whine, but good games can happen without them. Shocking I know. All the complaining from the koreans sounds like they're on teams that cannot properly support them. I see many of them leaving for foreign teams sooner or later.
Maybe this is why were seeing a decent number of Korean players join foreign teams atm.
E-sports is going global now, they can't just sit around in Korea and hope that the fans come to them.
/2c
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On August 18 2011 11:11 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 10:58 BeefyKnight wrote:On August 18 2011 10:53 furymonkey wrote:On August 18 2011 10:48 Psychobabas wrote:On August 18 2011 09:12 mav451 wrote:On August 18 2011 08:56 Heavenly wrote:
Lol at everyone complaining at the Korean's demands. Their demands are reasonable and, they are, in fact the rock stars of the Starcraft 2 scene. They are able to ask for these accomodations if they want, they didn't ask for champagne and for the wives/girlfriends of the NASL producers. The money they bring by having more viewers come to the NASL should more than make up for the additional fees they're asking for. It's smart negotiation, deal with it and stop acting like their demands are unreasonable.
As for backing out of signed contracts, since there was apparently no legal repercussions, who cares? Obviously they don't take these sort of things as seriously as other countries. Bashing on them because their culture doesn't emphasize something that yours does is ridiculous. I've read interviews in Korea where they just go "So MC, looks like you're getting pretty fat" and heard stories of Boxer walking around saying people are fat/ugly. Seems like they just do and say what they want to. Does it actually affect anyone here besides NASL if the Koreans choose to back out of the contract and any ethical dilemmas associated with that? People will take any opportunity to judge and tear down others for their actions even when it literally affects nothing in their lives. I don't think you understand the significance of backing out of a contract. A contract is a contract. It has never been a question of culture in that regard. Backing out of a contract is a highly unprofessional and has nothing to do with "tearing down others". Pretty much this. Quoting myself from previous post. On August 18 2011 09:46 furymonkey wrote:
I have no knowledge in this field but perhaps some people do. Even through backing out a contract can result in legal consequence, but isn't it only happened if the contract is deemed fair? I'm sure there are many cases where a party signed a unfair contract (They weren't careful) and later backed out, civil court wouldn't simply judge the case solely on "break of contract".
And in this case the Korean teams simply felt that the contracts were "unfair", as advancing to the season final would result loss more money than people who didn't go to the season finals if they weren't coming out ahead.
By signing the contract to begin with you are saying something to the effect of "I understand everything in this contract and agree with it.". So if you think a contract is unfair, don't sign it. Because unless it has some clause in it that is absolutely absurd (sexual favors and what not) you WILL be held accountable for breaking said contract. If I'm incorrect about this, please feel free to correct me. Obviously there are enough questionable contract out there for it to be heard in news regularly. And the same can be applied here, we just don't have all the details. That is why we shouldn't solely looking at it as whoever broke the contract is the unprofessional one. Because as far as I know, an unreasonable contract can still be broken without consequence. We need someone more professional to answer this question for us.
Why do you continue talking after you've already admitted that you know nothing on this subject. The bottom line is they backed out of the contract. Maybe the contract wasn't what they considered legitimate but they signed it. Signing a contract conveys a message of understanding and acceptance. Backing out of a contract that has already been signed conveys and image of a child who agreed with the deal at first but had got cold feet after considering all of the details.
The bottom line is, it was a deal. This culture argument is nonsensical. ALL cultures understand a deal. Instead of only holding the benefits in mind while making a deal, they should try considering the whole picture. Instead, we have a league now in shambles because of immaturity.
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Hm okay so they expect all this but what do they offer foreigners in return when they participate in gsl?
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On August 18 2011 12:46 Frequencyy wrote:
Hm okay so they expect all this but what do they offer foreigners in return when they participate in gsl?
Afaik a ride from the airport and a place to stay. But remember, GSL is 1 month long, GSTL is 3 months long. That's a bit different then a weekend long event.
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