EPTPlayXP article on NASL, S2CON situation - Page 18
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
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Pengu
England226 Posts
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BigLighthouse
United Kingdom424 Posts
On August 14 2011 22:53 Ferox77 wrote: Why can’t NASL just realize that the Koreans do not want to participate in the league. IMO they look kind of pathetic begging the Koreans to play. NASL should not cater to anyone, just let the players who want an opportunity “apply” and then pick from those. Yeah like some kind of open qualification system where players that want to play try to qualify.. Oh wait they DID do that you mong. And so far I havnt seen much begging, only statements that pertain to the fact that the Korean teams have withdrawn from the event despite attempts to accomodate them. Honestly most organisations get praised for making efforts to accomodate the players better, sheesh.. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
But it still doesn't change the fact that what the teams have done is wrong in signing contracts and then backing out 2 days into production | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On August 15 2011 04:25 jmbthirteen wrote: Ok so NASL wrongly involved sc2con. Thats definitely wrong of them, seems like they got some bad information. Do you honestly think sc2con wasn't a hidden hand during all of this? Just because it isn't official sc2con policy doesn't mean they weren't pressuring/threatening teams to act in a certain way collectively. | ||
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Teriyaki-Boy
United States26 Posts
Now come season 2, many of the SC2CON members decided to pull out the last moment. Whether, this decision was made has a whole organizaion or just individual team. Whatever the reason is, it seem they don't want to part of the NASL. Maybe the following reason might have cause them to reconsider: 1: Puma leaving TSL for EG. 2: Latency and playing time can be difficult for some player. 3: The tournament format seem unforgiving in the final, knowing there's no double elimination. 4: They really can't afford to send their player's due little sponsorship. I hope both parties can find a better way to communicate in future endeavor. Nevertheless, Am going to continue my support for the Nasl, GsL,MLg and generally E-Sport. | ||
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wats0n
United States509 Posts
People need to understand that Koreans like Fnatic's Rain and EG's Puma are the minority. Guys like sC who would rather just not play NASL are the norm as evidenced by all the Koreans so willingly dropping NASL. Honestly, we would love to have them join us and grow the scene but it's not going to happen as easily if at all like people want it. | ||
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Tortious_Tortoise
United States944 Posts
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On August 15 2011 04:43 mbr2321 wrote: I'm not suggesting any kind of Korean coverup, but consider that PlayXP is a Korean site that almost certainly has a Korean bias. I still think that this isn't the whole story, and that NASL wouldn't accuse anyone of anything if it was completely baseless: that's just bad business. You do realize that NASL has admitted to alot of this being a result of miscommunication. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On August 15 2011 04:30 forgottendreams wrote: Do you honestly think sc2con wasn't a hidden hand during all of this? Just because it isn't official sc2con policy doesn't mean they weren't pressuring/threatening teams to act in a certain way collectively. Actually it's a flying spaghetti monster pulling strings behind the curtain. I have no evidence whatsoever but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. | ||
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On August 15 2011 04:43 mbr2321 wrote: I'm not suggesting any kind of Korean coverup, but consider that PlayXP is a Korean site that almost certainly has a Korean bias. I still think that this isn't the whole story, and that NASL wouldn't accuse anyone of anything if it was completely baseless: that's just bad business. by the same token, your reading a foreigner site, that almost certainly has foreigner bias. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On August 15 2011 04:43 mbr2321 wrote: I'm not suggesting any kind of Korean coverup, but consider that PlayXP is a Korean site that almost certainly has a Korean bias. I still think that this isn't the whole story, and that NASL wouldn't accuse anyone of anything if it was completely baseless: that's just bad business. NASL just apologized for implicating Fou and MVP? | ||
Laneir
United States1160 Posts
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MagnusHyperion
United States288 Posts
Korean teams signed a contract that they would participate in NASL season 2 and then broke that contract during the season by withdrawing completely. Breaking contracts is dishonorable. Plain and Simple. | ||
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Lord_J
Kenya1085 Posts
On August 15 2011 04:42 wats0n wrote: What people need to understand is that Koreans are not going to assimilate into the global scene. They're perfectly content with the status quo where they don't have contracts, don't get salaries, and stay in their own world. If SC2 gets even a modicum of popularity in Korea then the fad trend there is that everyone will jump on board and then they will have a big league like with Brood War. However, if that doesn't happen they're perfectly fine with a barren landscape as they have now. People need to understand that Koreans like Fnatic's Rain and EG's Puma are the minority. Guys like sC who would rather just not play NASL are the norm as evidenced by all the Koreans so willingly dropping NASL. Honestly, we would love to have them join us and grow the scene but it's not going to happen as easily if at all like people want it. sC seems to want to participate in other foreign tournaments, just not NASL. Kind of like BoxeR, NaDa, NaNiwa, ThorZaIN, etc. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 15 2011 04:30 forgottendreams wrote: Do you honestly think sc2con wasn't a hidden hand during all of this? Just because it isn't official sc2con policy doesn't mean they weren't pressuring/threatening teams to act in a certain way collectively. Well this post plus what FXOBoss said (who is, well was a part of sc2con and its a good guy) does make it seem that it may not have been sc2con. sc2con may have helped in a united front way. What I do find interesting is that I remember comments about sC not being sure if he wanted to play because he didn't know if he wanted to go against the stance that was taken by the Korean teams. Of course I'm sure the GSL schedule and not wanting to compromise it certainly factored in his ultimate decision to not play. I do feel that with the Korean teams pulling out, it did put pressure on players like sC and the guys in MVP to not play as they didn't want to go against what their fellow teams were doing. | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On August 15 2011 04:43 mbr2321 wrote: I'm not suggesting any kind of Korean coverup, but consider that PlayXP is a Korean site that almost certainly has a Korean bias. I still think that this isn't the whole story, and that NASL wouldn't accuse anyone of anything if it was completely baseless: that's just bad business. Except 1 little thing. They just did and admitted it. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 15 2011 04:42 wats0n wrote: What people need to understand is that Koreans are not going to assimilate into the global scene. They're perfectly content with the status quo where they don't have contracts, don't get salaries, and stay in their own world. If SC2 gets even a modicum of popularity in Korea then the fad trend there is that everyone will jump on board and then they will have a big league like with Brood War. However, if that doesn't happen they're perfectly fine with a barren landscape as they have now. People need to understand that Koreans like Fnatic's Rain and EG's Puma are the minority. Guys like sC who would rather just not play NASL are the norm as evidenced by all the Koreans so willingly dropping NASL. Honestly, we would love to have them join us and grow the scene but it's not going to happen as easily if at all like people want it. I don't understand how you can say that when we have seen multiple Koreans join foreign teams, multiple Korean teams make partnerships with foreign teams and pretty much every Korean that has come to a foreign tournament say how much they loved playing in them because of the fans. | ||
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