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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:49 jmbthirteen wrote: So they can't afford it. Well neither can NASL. What an unfortunate turn of events. I hope the korean scene grows more, so they too can send their players world wide like the Americans and Europeans already had. | ||
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Scereye
Austria154 Posts
I know. 500$ was for the first season which was stated to be only half of the ticket and loding. Season 2 offering was 1000$ which is doubled and therefor atleast the ticket should be covered. Additional 1000$ by Prizepool changes simply wasn accepted due to decrease of prizepool for the higher placed players. Well, im not trying to defend NASL or something, im just confused. Did i get something wrong here? Of course you wouldn't speak for someone else. I never said someone shouldve done that. But why do those statements always have to be that harsh and blamefull towards the other side? Thats what i was trying to say. | ||
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yoshi_yoshi
United States440 Posts
All the Korean complaints are reasonable, but it looks like they waited until NASL season 2 was all set up before they made their demands. They tried to get as much leverage as they can: - grouping up as a unit under SC2CON - qualifying their players for NASL season 2, meaning it would be a big burden to NASL to lose all these players All their complaints are publicly known for a while now. If they had made the negotiations before season 2 qualifiers, they knew they would have a lot less leverage. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
Except NASL said it with a "they knew what they were getting into" attitude, while this said it with a "I'm just an innocent young girl and I didn't know what was going on" attitude. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:58 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: I just tried google translating PLAYXP and either the translation sucks, or PLAYXP SC2 forum-goers like to talk about Chicken and some dude named Frank. Frank is MarineKing. And everybody loves chicken. | ||
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unoriginalname
England380 Posts
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vertical101
Hong Kong311 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:25 EchoZ wrote: Not all Korean teams can afford to fork out such amounts. Besides, GOM and MLG have previously sponsored players back and forth, with GOM taking the extra step with the teamhouse, so I fail to see why NASL can't? MLG and GOM is old in this business and have more sponsors,ads while NASL i think is funded by private money im not sure. NASL is still new, SC2con should have wait more and not trying to pull a kespa 2.0 | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:59 Bear4188 wrote: Frank is MarineKing. And everybody loves chicken. Why do Koreans call MarineKingPrime....Frank. Is it like some sexy foreigner sounding name? Gets him all the ladies? Frank gogo! | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:54 Primadog wrote: jmbthirteen explained it best in the other thread: What an unfortunate turn of events. I hope the korean scene grows more, so they too can send their players world wide like the Americans and Europeans already had. This pretty much summarize it all up. Also I don't really trust/like this "Sc2con", It's going to be interesting to hear FXOBoSS opinions or facts later about them. | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
basically it comes down to this 1) security deposit. It was fish to begin with and noone recieved the deposit back from season 1 yet. 2) scheduling, i think everyone understand it was hell for top korean pros. They had some of the games rescheduled but even those rescheduled games got canceled in some instance 3) lag 4) money issue. they had to deduct from prize money to pay for lodging and traveling. NASL also asked for $80 dollar transportation between LAX and convention centre. 5) therefore they decided to negotiate for no deposit and more traveling fee 6) none of the prize money has been paid out so far now if this is true, I agree with decision to hold out till better conditions are met | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:55 Scereye wrote: Uhm what? I know. 500$ was for the first season which was stated to be only half of the ticket and loding. Season 2 offering was 1000$ which is doubled and therefor atleast the ticket should be covered. Additional 1000$ by Prizepool changes simply wasn accepted due to decrease of prizepool for the higher placed players. Well, im not trying to defend NASL or something, im just confused. Did i get something wrong here? Of course you wouldn't speak for someone else. I never said someone shouldve done that. But why do those statements always have to be that harsh and blamefull towards the other side? Thats what i was trying to say. It's helpful to quote people you're referring to. Your previous post didn't even say anything about the 1000 bucks you just said: $500*2= $1000? ......so I thought I'd explain that number. It's not.... you weren't even saying anything about the prize money except for a question mark so I just assumed you were confused what those numbers came from..... On August 12 2011 16:45 Scereye wrote: "The Grand Finall was even worse. Players had to pay all of the bill for transportation, lodging, and meal. NASL gave $500 to each player who join the Grand Final but it just half of tickets and lodging. Some players can slove it to deduction in their prize. Then they can get the ticket and lodging" $500*2= $1000? Plus, i understand that the teams already calculate the Prize Pool as their own money, but people read this stuff like they want to. When we read the "korean side" its the poor players which cant afford the costs (except the top players which win anyway). But when it comes to an Prizepool change from side of the NASL thats not acceptable either. Dont get me wrong, i totally understand the reasoning of the Koreans teams behind that. But i dislike how its written that NASL wouldnt have tried to get it to work. At the end of the day NASL cant just throw away hundreds and thousands of dollars. I would love to read a statement which is more like: "We (Koreans) AND Nasl are sorry to announce we couldnt get it to work" -End of Discussion- But instead we get some e-drama kinda stuff blaming each other why it didnt work out. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
As for the deposit, i dont think there s anything wrong with that, i personally dont believe that NASL would hold that back, im not sure if this was said or i misunderstood the tarnslation isnt very clear. 1000 dollar is a lot, 2000 is more then what a player actually needs for the trip, AND there s a huge ass pricepool which they are favored to take. And beside, even if u dont win, u get a free fucking trip to the US, i realize it s not like going in Italy or Paris but still, an experience. If they consider it s not worth it to compete in those conditions, that s ok, but this official withdrawal is really stupid. Personally, if i m allowed to play in a Mongolian (just a random country, no specific reason) SC2 tournament, which i have good chances of winning and almost guaranteed to finish in a paid spot, but they ask that i play when they say i have to, and i will have to fly to Mongolia and they might not pay my full expences, only half or i have to negotiate in order for them to pay it full, well i d say thank you very much. If my team would come and say, hey we re not OK with you possibly winning several thousans of dollars and a free trip, so dont play, i d tell them to go fuck themselves. Excuse my language | ||
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LuciferSC
Canada535 Posts
And yoshi_yoshi, my current position is that both sides are at fault, not trying to make NASL look bad for whatever reason, but NASL's statement does not make it clear whether Koreans raised their objections regarding accommodation prior to the starting of the qualifiers or after. You sir, are making a big assumption there. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:42 Azzur wrote: I bring you a statement by Mr Chae, head of GOM, who is also part of the SC2Con: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225324 The money that a player earns for even making to the ro32 of the ST is LESS than what the teams would get from qualifying for the NASL finals and Mr Chae "Can't understand foreigner's rejection". There are certainly valid reasons for non-NASL participation but to blame it on travel fees smacks of double standards. On the flip-side, I didn't appreciate NASL's hostile stance on the matter and their slow handling of money. Still, I believe NASL is going to struggle to survive without the koreans. SC2Con is a player/team related thing, I don't know why you're quoting something from a GOM employee who isn't actually part of SC2Con -_- | ||
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jjw
Korea (South)6 Posts
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dennistoo
Singapore155 Posts
Cheap. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
NASL kind of rushed it, so the experience from the grand final changed their attitudes about the whole thing, but at that point qualifiers were already over. | ||
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:59 unoriginalname wrote: Are the Korean sponsors just for show? I see teams with a plethora of logos on their shirt, yet they cannot acquire the funds from any of those to travel to a tournament that will help promote their teams and sponsors? The bring in enough to operate their team house, buy food, pay their utilities, etc. Also many of the sponsors are Korean companies that would gain absolutely nothing by exposing their brand to a market they aren't even in. SlayerS is fortunate enough to be run by two experienced celebrities who were able to secure a sponsorship from an international corporation like Razer who is interested in sending them to high profile international events. Prime is sponsored by a Korean chicken restaurant. | ||
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:01 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: Why do Koreans call MarineKingPrime....Frank. Is it like some sexy foreigner sounding name? Gets him all the ladies? Frank gogo! They don't actually call him Frank, that's just how Google translate mutilates his real name. edit: aww crap I should have edited that in | ||
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