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AllSalesFinal
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States211 Posts
August 13 2011 04:31 GMT
#521
On August 13 2011 03:26 jenzebubble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 03:25 NASL.tv wrote:
We are not planning of doing anything of the sort -- we're going to move on with our lives, and make sure NASL Season 2 is awesome !


Sorry to hear about S3.



What about season 3? I am confused about this statement.
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reddog1999
Profile Joined June 2009
United States143 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 04:41:08
August 13 2011 04:37 GMT
#522
On August 13 2011 11:51 maahes`ra wrote:
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On August 13 2011 11:44 Arkless wrote:
I don't understand why the koreans feel like they are entitled to full room and board and ticket, to play in a tournament. It's a tournament, not a show match. I feel like they want a steak dinner, at a hod dog stand. Do the players from the us, eu, canada etc get 100% paid for AND the chance to win 100k? No, why do they think they deserve it? Coz it's farther? Please....this isn't the NBA, NHL or MLB

Look at all the people that are taking the time to declare they won't be buying an HQ pass for the next NASL, and you'll find your answer.



I will be making sure i take the time to buy nasl over gsl anyday now. I support "world" esports over korea esports anyday. It's about world esports not just some one location.
Cynoks
Profile Joined May 2010
United States87 Posts
August 13 2011 04:45 GMT
#523
The management of the Korean scene seem to have this idea that they should control every aspect of eSports and they're literally looking at it like a dictatorship. SC2Con and the Coaches are telling their players where, when, and with whom the players are allowed to play with and they're also trying to tell OUR american tournaments how they should be run.

NASL doesn't have to give players shit to cover travel expenses and yet they're bending over backwards trying to get these players in their tournament but yet SC2Con and GOMTV are trying to maintain a stranglehold on the SC2 eSport. I feel bad for the players that are going to miss the opportunity to play in and probably win a huge tournament. These hypocritical pricks also offer a hell of a lot less than this to foreign players who want to get in the GSL.
FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
August 13 2011 04:48 GMT
#524
Why play in NASL just win the open bracket and skip the entire season and win anyway!

Thats how puma won right? He didn't even play in the NASL and still got 1st.
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Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
August 13 2011 04:49 GMT
#525
On August 13 2011 12:51 whateverpeeps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 12:32 koolaid1990 wrote:
On August 13 2011 11:44 Arkless wrote:
I don't understand why the koreans feel like they are entitled to full room and board and ticket, to play in a tournament. It's a tournament, not a show match. I feel like they want a steak dinner, at a hod dog stand. Do the players from the us, eu, canada etc get 100% paid for AND the chance to win 100k? No, why do they think they deserve it? Coz it's farther? Please....this isn't the NBA, NHL or MLB

LOL lets use boxer for example. Boxer owns his entire NASL group, waking up at 4 am everyday, all this hard work and preparation, and it pays off, he finishes 1st in his group onto the grand finals. He gets a measily $500 to travel to the US, does ONE b03 with frekin MC and loses. What does he do now? nothing. he lost 1 b03. He spent extra money for the plane ticket, woke up at 4 am everyday and played his heart out WITH lag, only to lose 1 b03. In the end, the winner of NASL didnt even play through the ACTUAL NASL, just cut through the open bracket. Imagine how you feel? like total shit. Same goes for someone like Ret, who came first in his group only to lose 1 b03 and be taken out and just stand there for the rest of the tournament.


I agree with you somewhat on the finals. It does suck. But at the same time, that's the beauty of competitions...that's what's exciting. I'm sorry that Boxer didn't make it as I was rooting for him, but hey, a loss is a loss. It's not NASL's fault, it's his fault, or his opponents fault for being a superior player in that series. I mean, think of other sports where upsets happen...nobody goes, "Oh jay kay do over!" or "Double elmination now please!" Nope, a loss is a loss.

However, NASL has stated that they changed the hours for season 2 after speaking to the players about what's more convenient for them. AND they are allowing koreans to play on korean servers when playing other koreans. Given those special privlidges, on top of the travel stipends, I don't think the Koreans have too much to complain about.

It's okay if they still feel it's not worth it, as it's everyone's personal decision what they choose to do with their time. It's just that it no longer becomes the fault of the league.

PS: Boxer and NASL both stated they are on good terms with each other. I think a large part of that is that Boxer was timely with his withdrawal and NASL put no pressure on Boxer to participate when he did not want to.

It's still a tournament, not a show match. Nothing is guaranteed, nor are you entitled to special treatment, period. Do you think rets costs were covered 100%? Probably not. And his costs were roughly the same, maybe even more. They act like the are owed something, when they aren't. If they don't like the terms, then don't play. But releasing a statement bashing another league coz they won't meet your demands is unprofessional. Personally, I expected more from our friends in korea. And on another note, I wonder how much of idra's trip to korea was covered and provided to him from kespa? His teams paid for him, so what's the difference?
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Razakel
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland466 Posts
August 13 2011 04:53 GMT
#526
On August 13 2011 13:31 AllSalesFinal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 03:26 jenzebubble wrote:
On August 13 2011 03:25 NASL.tv wrote:
We are not planning of doing anything of the sort -- we're going to move on with our lives, and make sure NASL Season 2 is awesome !


Sorry to hear about S3.



What about season 3? I am confused about this statement.


I think he was making a cheap jab @ NASLs expense. That removing the Koreans will lead to a bad season 2, so the tournament will be dead by the time season 3 rolls around.

It's also possible he just mistyped :p
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
August 13 2011 04:53 GMT
#527
The koreans or those who represent them sound like a bunch of Prima donnas. I never heard any foreigners whining about this and they made way less money usually dropping out by RO16.

Sad. Have to support foreigner tournaments more from now on.
MC for president
venge1155
Profile Joined January 2011
United States174 Posts
August 13 2011 04:56 GMT
#528
Do not lump GOMtv into this they have as well bent over backwards to accommodate foreigners players (so far as setting up a house with what, 8 spots in it?) and a big trading deal with MLG. GSL is about as welcoming as it gets.

As far as what NASL could have done...not much more really. I personally do not see why they don't write into the contract that after X amount of no shows (or whatever it is they are afraid of with the security deposit) The player/team has to pay a 500 dollar penalty. The only reason i see to do it as a deposit for everyone would be if that money was actually needed to run the thing like a reverse mortgage.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
August 13 2011 04:57 GMT
#529
On August 13 2011 13:45 Cynoks wrote:
The management of the Korean scene seem to have this idea that they should control every aspect of eSports and they're literally looking at it like a dictatorship. SC2Con and the Coaches are telling their players where, when, and with whom the players are allowed to play with and they're also trying to tell OUR american tournaments how they should be run.

NASL doesn't have to give players shit to cover travel expenses and yet they're bending over backwards trying to get these players in their tournament but yet SC2Con and GOMTV are trying to maintain a stranglehold on the SC2 eSport. I feel bad for the players that are going to miss the opportunity to play in and probably win a huge tournament. These hypocritical pricks also offer a hell of a lot less than this to foreign players who want to get in the GSL.



Won't be buying anymore GOMTV spots either since it seems they are trying to leverage monopoly power by holding out players. Worse is timing.
MC for president
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 05:02:38
August 13 2011 05:01 GMT
#530
On August 13 2011 13:56 venge1155 wrote:
Do not lump GOMtv into this they have as well bent over backwards to accommodate foreigners players (so far as setting up a house with what, 8 spots in it?) and a big trading deal with MLG. GSL is about as welcoming as it gets.

As far as what NASL could have done...not much more really. I personally do not see why they don't write into the contract that after X amount of no shows (or whatever it is they are afraid of with the security deposit) The player/team has to pay a 500 dollar penalty. The only reason i see to do it as a deposit for everyone would be if that money was actually needed to run the thing like a reverse mortgage.

Not even bending over backwards. They give foriengers a shot at chump change $1200 in their secondary league an month long tourney. I make more than $1200 working at lowes as a student 3/4 time in a month. And that's only if they win it.

Koreans get seeded and invites for big money right away in MLG/Dreamhack/NASL, etc
MC for president
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
August 13 2011 05:06 GMT
#531
Haha love that the NASL responds and this time they're 1000% more modest and nice towards the koreans.
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DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 05:16:21
August 13 2011 05:11 GMT
#532
A ridiculous bias opinion!!!
NASL give Koreans an opportunity to earn money outside of GSL. The players can't sustain their lives just by playing 1 single tournament considering how tough the practice time in Korea. If they are out of GSL, they grow mold practicing waiting for next GSL season? Also the fact that they have high chances of getting that 50k 1st place prize. GOM and MLG are entirely different since NASL will fly 16 players.
NASL offer 2k so coming to the finals isn't a loss, It's just like a vacation if you didn't manage to pass RO16.
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 05:16:30
August 13 2011 05:16 GMT
#533
On August 13 2011 13:57 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 13:45 Cynoks wrote:
The management of the Korean scene seem to have this idea that they should control every aspect of eSports and they're literally looking at it like a dictatorship. SC2Con and the Coaches are telling their players where, when, and with whom the players are allowed to play with and they're also trying to tell OUR american tournaments how they should be run.

NASL doesn't have to give players shit to cover travel expenses and yet they're bending over backwards trying to get these players in their tournament but yet SC2Con and GOMTV are trying to maintain a stranglehold on the SC2 eSport. I feel bad for the players that are going to miss the opportunity to play in and probably win a huge tournament. These hypocritical pricks also offer a hell of a lot less than this to foreign players who want to get in the GSL.



Won't be buying anymore GOMTV spots either since it seems they are trying to leverage monopoly power by holding out players. Worse is timing.


GOMTV has nothing to do with this. Mr Chae is simply an intermediary who happens to speak better English than anyone else in SC2con, a committee made up of managers and coaches from the Korean SC2 teams. Don't drag GSL into this, please.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
August 13 2011 05:19 GMT
#534
On August 13 2011 14:11 DarkRise wrote:
A ridiculous bias opinion!!!
NASL give Koreans an opportunity to earn money outside of GSL. The players can't sustain their lives just by playing 1 single tournament considering how tough the practice time in Korea. If they are out of GSL, they grow mold practicing waiting for next GSL season? Also the fact that they have high chances of getting that 50k 1st place prize. GOM and MLG are entirely different since NASL will fly 16 players.
NASL offer 2k so coming to the finals isn't a loss, It's just like a vacation if you didn't manage to pass RO16.

It's 1k and the other 1k is taken out of prize money, money that would have gone to those players anyway. And if 1k doesn't cover their expenses it's not that much.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
August 13 2011 05:20 GMT
#535
On August 13 2011 13:53 tdt wrote:
The koreans or those who represent them sound like a bunch of Prima donnas. I never heard any foreigners whining about this and they made way less money usually dropping out by RO16.

Sad. Have to support foreigner tournaments more from now on.

Foreigners don't have to pay over a thousand dollars for plane tickets to California alone; their expenses are way lower and they have way more money in sponsorships, etc. to pay for those plane tickets. Many Korean teams are in a tough spot financially and have to pay susbstantially more to make the playoffs; the reason they're complaining and the foreign players aren't is cause their situations are completely different.
Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
August 13 2011 05:23 GMT
#536
On August 13 2011 14:20 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 13:53 tdt wrote:
The koreans or those who represent them sound like a bunch of Prima donnas. I never heard any foreigners whining about this and they made way less money usually dropping out by RO16.

Sad. Have to support foreigner tournaments more from now on.

Foreigners don't have to pay over a thousand dollars for plane tickets to California alone; their expenses are way lower and they have way more money in sponsorships, etc. to pay for those plane tickets. Many Korean teams are in a tough spot financially and have to pay susbstantially more to make the playoffs; the reason they're complaining and the foreign players aren't is cause their situations are completely different.


Not to mention Korean teams provides food and shelter (maybe equipment too) to their players. Creating that perfect training environment cost money.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
August 13 2011 05:30 GMT
#537
On August 13 2011 14:20 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 13:53 tdt wrote:
The koreans or those who represent them sound like a bunch of Prima donnas. I never heard any foreigners whining about this and they made way less money usually dropping out by RO16.

Sad. Have to support foreigner tournaments more from now on.

Foreigners don't have to pay over a thousand dollars for plane tickets to California alone; their expenses are way lower and they have way more money in sponsorships, etc. to pay for those plane tickets. Many Korean teams are in a tough spot financially and have to pay susbstantially more to make the playoffs; the reason they're complaining and the foreign players aren't is cause their situations are completely different.

Foreigner came from just as far as Korea, sen and whitera. It costs more to fly from Ukraine to CA than Inchon to CA. I don't hear WhiteRa/sen whining. In fact they spent extended time there and helped promote and made a vacation out of it.

How do you know how foreign/korean teams are doing? I wasn't aware they had a 10K posting. Pure speculation unless books are open.
MC for president
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
August 13 2011 05:59 GMT
#538
On August 13 2011 14:01 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 13:56 venge1155 wrote:
Do not lump GOMtv into this they have as well bent over backwards to accommodate foreigners players (so far as setting up a house with what, 8 spots in it?) and a big trading deal with MLG. GSL is about as welcoming as it gets.

As far as what NASL could have done...not much more really. I personally do not see why they don't write into the contract that after X amount of no shows (or whatever it is they are afraid of with the security deposit) The player/team has to pay a 500 dollar penalty. The only reason i see to do it as a deposit for everyone would be if that money was actually needed to run the thing like a reverse mortgage.

Not even bending over backwards. They give foriengers a shot at chump change $1200 in their secondary league an month long tourney. I make more than $1200 working at lowes as a student 3/4 time in a month. And that's only if they win it.

Koreans get seeded and invites for big money right away in MLG/Dreamhack/NASL, etc


News flash! They are playing a video game for a living. Albeit, it's not like it's an easy life, but to pretend that they are somehow entitled to a "Lowes paycheck" is absurd. This is how it works in all forms of entertainment workforces. All but the stars get paid little compared to the educated (or not) citizen.

Also, to fix an error in your statement, first place in Code A gets ~$1400 along with the automatic ~$1400 that comes with Code S Ro32 (~$2800 total).
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 06:07:20
August 13 2011 06:05 GMT
#539
On August 13 2011 14:59 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 14:01 tdt wrote:
On August 13 2011 13:56 venge1155 wrote:
Do not lump GOMtv into this they have as well bent over backwards to accommodate foreigners players (so far as setting up a house with what, 8 spots in it?) and a big trading deal with MLG. GSL is about as welcoming as it gets.

As far as what NASL could have done...not much more really. I personally do not see why they don't write into the contract that after X amount of no shows (or whatever it is they are afraid of with the security deposit) The player/team has to pay a 500 dollar penalty. The only reason i see to do it as a deposit for everyone would be if that money was actually needed to run the thing like a reverse mortgage.

Not even bending over backwards. They give foriengers a shot at chump change $1200 in their secondary league an month long tourney. I make more than $1200 working at lowes as a student 3/4 time in a month. And that's only if they win it.

Koreans get seeded and invites for big money right away in MLG/Dreamhack/NASL, etc


News flash! They are playing a video game for a living. Albeit, it's not like it's an easy life, but to pretend that they are somehow entitled to a "Lowes paycheck" is absurd. This is how it works in all forms of entertainment workforces. All but the stars get paid little compared to the educated (or not) citizen.

Also, to fix an error in your statement, first place in Code A gets ~$1400 along with the automatic ~$1400 that comes with Code S Ro32 (~$2800 total).


Niggling over exact pay or dynamic of entertainers pay doesn't negate the fact, foreigners get placed in a secondary league while Koreas get placed at the top of foreign tounaments. No TSL/MLG qualifiers just seeded in contention for grand prize. That's hardly GSL bending over backwards.
MC for president
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
August 13 2011 06:19 GMT
#540
Well, looks like it's Kespa II going on in Korea now. Those demands seem pretty ridiculous to me, especially when NASL is already providing 1K + 1K for each of the players.
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