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.I will try though and probably pay for it just to support NASL and hope i dont lose interest.
TiG Opinion Article on NASL Situation - Page 26
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VenerableSpace
United States463 Posts
.I will try though and probably pay for it just to support NASL and hope i dont lose interest. | ||
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Kvz
United States463 Posts
example: I played wow professional during the 2007/2008 wsvg circuit. my team was invited to go to PARIS for a blizzard championship event. blizzard provided our entire team with a 5000$ travel stipend to make the trip. our team consisted of 3 people. in this situation NASL is offering 2k a person, but with reduced prize money. I believe its relatively the same thing? | ||
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gosu86
208 Posts
just like ign league lol thank god i didnt pre purchase season 2 ticket just want to see the best foreigners vs the best koreans =( equals gg oh well shit happens life moves on | ||
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mcjinzo
79 Posts
On August 13 2011 08:23 VenerableSpace wrote: personally i dont think i can watch much NASL without the better players participating .I will try though and probably pay for it just to support NASL and hope i dont lose interest. yea this is how i feel. im going to buy nasl cause it IS still a good deal for how many vods you get. but thinking back to all the vods i made a point of watching or staying up and watching......lets just say that number is going to drop alittle. | ||
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jenzebubble
United States183 Posts
On August 13 2011 08:18 KaiserReinhard wrote: It's been said before that the vehicle of Esports is technology, but I would say money is a close second. Here's hoping that there will be some high profile corporate sponsors in the future who will take care of things like this. Why would this attract sponsors? You can hope on one hand and shit in the other, which fills up faster? | ||
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TheAuditor
United States136 Posts
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Azaryah
United States55 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:31 hitpoint wrote: MLG and GOM's situations can't be compared with NASL. MLG only pays for 4 people. Also the foreigners that go to GSL stand to win very little money, if any. The Koreans that would be coming over to NASL's top 16 can pretty easily make much more money than what they spent. This guy hit it on the head about the money situation. As far as I can see, the NASL has only really done one majorly bad thing, and that was having the open bracket soooo late in the season, and then guaranteeing the winner a spot in the finals. All the other players worked for months to get to the finals. I have nothing against Puma, he is a fantastic player, he saw an opportunity and took it, and I don't blame him for that. It's on NASL's shoulders to change that format up. If you want to have an open bracket for unknown players, do it early and give them a regular seating. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On August 13 2011 08:04 HolyArrow wrote: The problem is that they have their own practice schedule already. Imagine if your practice schedule involves waking up at, say, 10 am, and pretty much practicing all day with food breaks and exercise breaks (basically, a normal schedule) until 2 am. That there is their job schedule. Waking up at 4 am is an ADDED burden that is not a part of their normal job schedule. if you cant handle it dont sign up for the league? or work on a different sleep pattern, so you can wake up for nasl / any american league play some games then sleep for 4 hours, wake up again around mid day and hit the second part of your normal korean time practice. progamers have a notorious sleep schedule anyway. with their gsl games not played till the evening it isnt a rediculous idea to switch the whole house to waking up at 12 am and playing till 4 am so they can compete on the US time zone too. with the majority of esports growth happening in the US this seems like a completely logical idea and isnt any more extreme than say.... moving into a house with 20 other people to play 10 hours a day for the hope to just qualify for code a. | ||
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opticalza
New Zealand188 Posts
The reasons themselves are legitimate. If the players do not like how the tournament is run they could of simply chosen to not participate, as seen by the numerous pull outs from Season 1 such as Boxer and Naniwa. Signing up for season 2 fully aware of what NASL was offering, agreeing to the terms and conditions, signing a contract, and then raising issues and pulling out when production has begun is totally unprofessional and unacceptable in my opinion. They knew how NASL worked, if they did not like it they did not have to participate, or should of raised their concerns prior to signing up for the league. | ||
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
Our players take huge losses to compete in GSL code A (and qualifiers) for shit money, and they can't justify coming over if they only have 1k for travel expenses? (or 2k with less prize money) Even the Korean reactions are unhappy with the way s2con handled this. Also this On August 12 2011 22:42 leakingpear wrote: WHAT?! Koreans unnecessarily xenophobic towards foreign enterprises? WELL I NEVER. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On August 13 2011 11:33 Sina92 wrote: this isn't good for anyone yup. but i got a serious question. MLG has flown in koreans before and we dont hear about any problems from their side, is MLG doing something differently that attracts Koreans and makes their stay more welcome? This is the first time I am hearing such extreme complaints in sc2 regarding the invitation of Koreans. It just really looks bad for NASL. | ||
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 13 2011 11:44 Golgotha wrote: yup. but i got a serious question. MLG has flown in koreans before and we dont hear about any problems from their side, is MLG doing something differently that attracts Koreans and makes their stay more welcome? This is the first time I am hearing such extreme complaints in sc2 regarding the invitation of Koreans. It just really looks bad for NASL. MLG has a program where they bring top 4 Koreans and pay for all of their expenses. In all honesty though, NASL is investing a LARGER SUM of money into bringing Koreans, because they are trying to fund 15 Koreans from coming to the league, not just 4. They're not paying for all of the expenses, but the total exceeds the total spent by MLG. When you remember they're not as big as MLG and have a much bigger prize pool, then you begin to see how generous their offer is. | ||
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maahes`ra
United States255 Posts
On August 13 2011 11:44 Arkless wrote: I don't understand why the koreans feel like they are entitled to full room and board and ticket, to play in a tournament. It's a tournament, not a show match. I feel like they want a steak dinner, at a hod dog stand. Do the players from the us, eu, canada etc get 100% paid for AND the chance to win 100k? No, why do they think they deserve it? Coz it's farther? Please....this isn't the NBA, NHL or MLB Look at all the people that are taking the time to declare they won't be buying an HQ pass for the next NASL, and you'll find your answer. | ||
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koolaid1990
831 Posts
On August 13 2011 11:44 Arkless wrote: I don't understand why the koreans feel like they are entitled to full room and board and ticket, to play in a tournament. It's a tournament, not a show match. I feel like they want a steak dinner, at a hod dog stand. Do the players from the us, eu, canada etc get 100% paid for AND the chance to win 100k? No, why do they think they deserve it? Coz it's farther? Please....this isn't the NBA, NHL or MLB LOL lets use boxer for example. Boxer owns his entire NASL group, waking up at 4 am everyday, all this hard work and preparation, and it pays off, he finishes 1st in his group onto the grand finals. He gets a measily $500 to travel to the US, does ONE b03 with frekin MC and loses. What does he do now? nothing. he lost 1 b03. He spent extra money for the plane ticket, woke up at 4 am everyday and played his heart out WITH lag, only to lose 1 b03. In the end, the winner of NASL didnt even play through the ACTUAL NASL, just cut through the open bracket. Imagine how you feel? like total shit. Same goes for someone like Ret, who came first in his group only to lose 1 b03 and be taken out and just stand there for the rest of the tournament. | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 13 2011 12:32 koolaid1990 wrote: LOL lets use boxer for example. Boxer owns his entire NASL group, waking up at 4 am everyday, all this hard work and preparation, and it pays off, he finishes 1st in his group onto the grand finals. He gets a measily $500 to travel to the US, does ONE b03 with frekin MC and loses. What does he do now? nothing. he lost 1 b03. He spent extra money for the plane ticket, woke up at 4 am everyday and played his heart out WITH lag, only to lose 1 b03. In the end, the winner of NASL didnt even play through the ACTUAL NASL, just cut through the open bracket. Imagine how you feel? like total shit. Same goes for someone like Ret, who came first in his group only to lose 1 b03 and be taken out and just stand there for the rest of the tournament. I agree with you somewhat on the finals. It does suck. But at the same time, that's the beauty of competitions...that's what's exciting. I'm sorry that Boxer didn't make it as I was rooting for him, but hey, a loss is a loss. It's not NASL's fault, it's his fault, or his opponents fault for being a superior player in that series. I mean, think of other sports where upsets happen...nobody goes, "Oh jay kay do over!" or "Double elmination now please!" Nope, a loss is a loss. However, NASL has stated that they changed the hours for season 2 after speaking to the players about what's more convenient for them. AND they are allowing koreans to play on korean servers when playing other koreans. Given those special privlidges, on top of the travel stipends, I don't think the Koreans have too much to complain about. It's okay if they still feel it's not worth it, as it's everyone's personal decision what they choose to do with their time. It's just that it no longer becomes the fault of the league. PS: Boxer and NASL both stated they are on good terms with each other. I think a large part of that is that Boxer was timely with his withdrawal and NASL put no pressure on Boxer to participate when he did not want to. | ||
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KaiserReinhard
United States554 Posts
On August 13 2011 10:37 jenzebubble wrote: Why would this attract sponsors? You can hope on one hand and shit in the other, which fills up faster? I don't think you understood what I was saying, but at least you got to use that cool phrase. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 13 2011 11:18 turdburgler wrote: if you cant handle it dont sign up for the league? or work on a different sleep pattern, so you can wake up for nasl / any american league play some games then sleep for 4 hours, wake up again around mid day and hit the second part of your normal korean time practice. progamers have a notorious sleep schedule anyway. with their gsl games not played till the evening it isnt a rediculous idea to switch the whole house to waking up at 12 am and playing till 4 am so they can compete on the US time zone too. with the majority of esports growth happening in the US this seems like a completely logical idea and isnt any more extreme than say.... moving into a house with 20 other people to play 10 hours a day for the hope to just qualify for code a. I agree that you shouldn't sign up if you can't handle it to begin with. My only reason for making that point was to argue that the "Millions of people wake up early to do their job" example isn't valid. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1595 Posts
On August 13 2011 12:32 koolaid1990 wrote: LOL lets use boxer for example. Boxer owns his entire NASL group, waking up at 4 am everyday, all this hard work and preparation, and it pays off, he finishes 1st in his group onto the grand finals. He gets a measily $500 to travel to the US, does ONE b03 with frekin MC and loses. What does he do now? nothing. he lost 1 b03. He spent extra money for the plane ticket, woke up at 4 am everyday and played his heart out WITH lag, only to lose 1 b03. In the end, the winner of NASL didnt even play through the ACTUAL NASL, just cut through the open bracket. Imagine how you feel? like total shit. Same goes for someone like Ret, who came first in his group only to lose 1 b03 and be taken out and just stand there for the rest of the tournament. Boxer only owned a bunch of overrated white dudes. End of story. Sure some games were tough, but the minimal lag wasn't enough to affect the fact that he is 2x better than most of the people he played. Boxer risked $1k (could be off a bit, but an example) to win 50,000 in a pool of 16 players? That in poker is a godsend, but for a gamer it is too much? Lmfao Ret.....  Sorry, but overall time invested before final is like what 20 hours? For a possible 50k? If I were as good as them I'd play every NASL because it just makes sense. | ||
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