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Has anyone thought it might have seemed unfair for the Korean bosses the way things were before, which is why they wanted to at least have expenses covered? They have to put up with what can be regarded as unfair playing conditions during the online phase (worst scheduling, worst latency). Then they have to pay the most to attend the playoffs after all of that. Maybe they just want a bit of compensation? When GSL has foreigners come to Korea, they don't schedule games for them at 6 in the morning or have higher latency in the foreigner booth. At all the other major tournaments that are being talked about, at least those are one shot events for a few days where no one gets shafted by lag or scheduling. If it was me, that in and of itself would strongly influence my decision on where I would choose to play.
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On August 12 2011 13:20 dookudooku wrote:
At the end of the day, I really think this is another example of Westerners misunderstanding Asian culture.
Increasing the prize pool to cover part of travel expenses of a player is acceptable among Westerners and their do-things-on-our-own mentaility, but less accepted among Asians.
I'm sorry but this was just too much for me.
Is there some kind of "Asian ESPORTS Culture For Dummies" book that I can buy so I can predict every minute and specific instance in which this culture divide ruins ESPORTS?
This shit gets trotted out way too often with nothing to back it up, but this post was just too egregious to leave alone.
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I think the only way to solve this is to have more people become bi-lingual. I'd make everything easier.
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On August 12 2011 13:34 whateverpeeps wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 13:27 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:23 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 12 2011 13:20 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:16 windsupernova wrote:On August 12 2011 12:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:38 Brian333 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Saraf wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 Brian333 wrote:
I don't know how there are people that still don't get it.
NASL offers $1000 travel stipend and a $1000 minimum prize for top 16. The plane ticket and hotel costs alone are $2000+ meaning that they have to pay for some travel expenses themselves.
Koreans don't see it as a viable deal because they don't view months of pool play consisting of awkwardly scheduled games as a worthy investment of their time when you can actually lose your own money after fighting to a top 16 out of a sizable player pool and using another week of your time to travel abroad.
NASL refuses to / can't offer a larger travel stipend.
Compromise is not reached and Koreans withdraw. That is factually inaccurate. Plane ticket and hotel+local transportation for S1 were $1650 per player (posted by the NASL.tv account), and I feel like the OP ought to be edited to note that $2000 in guaranteed money covers all costs associated with going. Apparently, you missed my earlier post. You know why the OP should not do that? Because it's deceptively disingenuous and biased to try and tack that price onto the trip. The cost of plane tickets swings wildly depending on when you book it and how long in advance you book it. If I were to try and jump on a plane on Monday from Incheon International Airport to LAX, it would cost me nearly $3500 before taxes for a non-refundable multiple stop round-trip economy class ticket. Go check for yourself on the United Airlines website. Realistically speaking, booking about a month in advance during off-season will drop that price to $1200 before taxes. Still more than their travel stipend. And, that's assuming that the player can even book his flight a month in advance as if there is some guarantee that he will still be going a month later (there is none). Refundable tickets are significantly more expensive and I do not know the policies on canceling reservations beyond the 24-hour cut off but I have a suspicion it's not cheap. Booking a week in advance brings it up to $1600 before taxes. Brian, don't know if you saw this post earlier from the NASL poster , going to assume you missed it: I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.The 2k they offered was more than enough then and I don't see why it would be any different for season 2. I don´t get it then, if the whole paying for travelling expenses and hotel and food was less money than the 2k offered then why didn´t the NASL offered to pay their travel? Did I understand this post wrong? It's not $2000, it's $1000. It's $1000 travel stipend. NASL is offering to them that they'll change their prize structure around so that $1000 prize is guaranteed for making it into the top 16 and asking the Koreans to pay out the rest of their expenses out of that guaranteed $1000. It's definitely NASL that's trying to pay less than they did last time. Honestly, I don't think you understood. They made an offer of a thousand, which was rejected, so they made an offer of 2000. Read this part again: On August 12 2011 08:06 NASL.tv wrote:
We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation. The only thing that NASL is paying upfront is the $1000 stipend. The other "1000" they claim is part of that "2000" is changing their prize structure around so that making it into the top 16 guarantees you win at least 1000, and they're asking the Koreans to pay the rest of that money out of that guaranteed 1000. So if the traveling expenses were 1650, then the only thing the Koreans would get for making it into the top 16 would be a $350 profit. Not enough in many player's minds for 3 months of playing at odd hours and traveling overseas. If they didn't make it into the top 16, they'd get $0, which wouldn't be so bad if you didn't have to get up at very awkward hours just to compete. Yes, which amounts to 2000. 1000 + 1000 = 2000. Easy. And you're right, that if the players don't make the Top 16 they would get 0. But if they do, they would get 2000.
That's not offering "2000 dollars". That's still only offering 1000 dollars stipend. After you win the prizemoney, that's YOUR MONEY, so you can't really say changing the prize structure is "offering them $2000". They're asking them to cover the rest of their expenses with the money they win. In essence, minus the supposed $1650 expenses, it just lowering the prize pool by $650 if you're Korean.
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To be honest, this might be a little bit of a blessing in disguise for several reasons:
1) Many people were a bit irked at the lack of foreigner representation in the NASL finals. I liked the Koreans playing, but its nice to have a big prize pool event available to directly support the Foreigner scene.
2) Latency issues and cancelled matches were a huge problem in Season 1. Seemed every week the most anticipated match was cancelled due to scheduling or technical issues, which was frustrating as a viewer.
3) This may prompt a change in how the Koreans deal with the outside world. If we present a reality of 'It's better with you...but we can totally do this without you' to them more often, they may change their culture a bit and look to sponsorships to send players more. You may also have more Koreans wanting to join foreigner teams to get access to these events. They seem to make a lot of demands on many tournaments to pay to send them, and while that makes a little sense for MLG where the prize pools are so small, its not valid for NASL.
4) I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more foreigner scene drama and story lines. Koreans are the best players, but other than MC, I don't find the personalities very entertaining. (Obviously language barrier plays a role in that, because I like their smack talk translated in those GSL group selection events) But I like the IdrA vs the world stuff, and i like seeing Tyler and Incontrol play, because I see them so much on shows and I like their opinions. I like seeing the Swedes be like really good, and socially akward.
5) I'd like to see an emergent foreigner. One of the cool things about GSTL and GSL is every season or so there's this dude that rises to power out of nowhere. MMA, Alicia, DRG etc...
I'd kind of like to see something where like, ToD or someone has just been like secretly getting awesome and facerolls everyone or something.
I'm still going to watch for sure. I always miss MC in any tournament he's not in, But I'm not going to Miss the Korean Terran WarMachines.
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On August 12 2011 13:36 Cyrak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 13:20 dookudooku wrote:
At the end of the day, I really think this is another example of Westerners misunderstanding Asian culture.
Increasing the prize pool to cover part of travel expenses of a player is acceptable among Westerners and their do-things-on-our-own mentaility, but less accepted among Asians. I'm sorry but this was just too much for me. Is there some kind of "Asian ESPORTS Culture For Dummies" book that I can buy so I can predict every minute and specific instance in which this culture divide ruins ESPORTS? This shit gets trotted out way too often with nothing to back it up, but this post was just too egregious to leave alone.
Very true.
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On August 12 2011 13:35 Mazer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 13:24 tripper688 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:21 Mazer wrote:
Waiting for this to unravel a bit but what a disappointment from the Korean teams at first glance.
Acting as though playing one series a week for a two months is a HUGE commitment by the Koreans is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure it can come at weird hours (~13-15 hour difference to NA and ~7 to EU -> most matches should be worked out with good communication; I really doubt any Koreans would be waking up at 4AM their time to accomodate for NA players primetime) but at least it's conveniently online. I still think the $2,000 guaranteed is pretty decent. It's not like too many of those players are hitting the Top 8 of Code A/S anyways so they should have some time to prepare for that one series and ultimately the finals. In all honesty, it really just comes down to a 3/4 day commitment if they make the LAN.
The worst part is the situation that NASL is left in now. They got totally boned so I really don't see myself siding with the Koreans at this point even if they are in the right about travel costs.
Also, if they're really hurting for sponsorships so much, missing a big event like this and acting the way they have will definitely not help their cause. July woke up at 5am for a match that never happened. Artosis had to get up at 4am. Just saying, that's what was happening. Then it's a failure in scheduling by the players, teams and NASL. You could have the Koreans play in the AM which would mean afternoon EU and evening NA. Seems pretty fair. Or NASL could just cast from replay to allow for more flexibility. But using that issue to support the Korean teams' complaints about travel cost to the finals is totally unfair imo.
whaaaat, they always casted from replay, did they not? rofl
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This is unbelievable.
Good luck to you guys at NASL, hope the Koreans change their minds.
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kinda stupid how one person can talk for all teams and players.
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On August 12 2011 13:32 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 13:27 Kevo32 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:27 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:23 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 12 2011 13:20 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:16 windsupernova wrote:On August 12 2011 12:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:38 Brian333 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Saraf wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 Brian333 wrote:
I don't know how there are people that still don't get it.
NASL offers $1000 travel stipend and a $1000 minimum prize for top 16. The plane ticket and hotel costs alone are $2000+ meaning that they have to pay for some travel expenses themselves.
Koreans don't see it as a viable deal because they don't view months of pool play consisting of awkwardly scheduled games as a worthy investment of their time when you can actually lose your own money after fighting to a top 16 out of a sizable player pool and using another week of your time to travel abroad.
NASL refuses to / can't offer a larger travel stipend.
Compromise is not reached and Koreans withdraw. That is factually inaccurate. Plane ticket and hotel+local transportation for S1 were $1650 per player (posted by the NASL.tv account), and I feel like the OP ought to be edited to note that $2000 in guaranteed money covers all costs associated with going. Apparently, you missed my earlier post. You know why the OP should not do that? Because it's deceptively disingenuous and biased to try and tack that price onto the trip. The cost of plane tickets swings wildly depending on when you book it and how long in advance you book it. If I were to try and jump on a plane on Monday from Incheon International Airport to LAX, it would cost me nearly $3500 before taxes for a non-refundable multiple stop round-trip economy class ticket. Go check for yourself on the United Airlines website. Realistically speaking, booking about a month in advance during off-season will drop that price to $1200 before taxes. Still more than their travel stipend. And, that's assuming that the player can even book his flight a month in advance as if there is some guarantee that he will still be going a month later (there is none). Refundable tickets are significantly more expensive and I do not know the policies on canceling reservations beyond the 24-hour cut off but I have a suspicion it's not cheap. Booking a week in advance brings it up to $1600 before taxes. Brian, don't know if you saw this post earlier from the NASL poster , going to assume you missed it: I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.The 2k they offered was more than enough then and I don't see why it would be any different for season 2. I don´t get it then, if the whole paying for travelling expenses and hotel and food was less money than the 2k offered then why didn´t the NASL offered to pay their travel? Did I understand this post wrong? It's not $2000, it's $1000. It's $1000 travel stipend. NASL is offering to them that they'll change their prize structure around so that $1000 prize is guaranteed for making it into the top 16 and asking the Koreans to pay out the rest of their expenses out of that guaranteed $1000. It's definitely NASL that's trying to pay less than they did last time. Honestly, I don't think you understood. They made an offer of a thousand, which was rejected, so they made an offer of 2000. Read this part again: On August 12 2011 08:06 NASL.tv wrote:
We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation. The only thing that NASL is paying upfront is the $1000 stipend. The other "1000" they claim is part of that "2000" is changing their prize structure around so that making it into the top 16 guarantees you win at least 1000, and they're asking the Koreans to pay the rest of that money out of that guaranteed 1000. So if the traveling expenses were 1650, then the only thing the Koreans would get for making it into the top 16 would be a $350 profit. Not enough in many player's minds for 3 months of playing at odd hours and traveling overseas. And at the same time they can win the tournament and make 40 grand. And if they don't make it into the top 16, they get up at odd hours for 3 months for nothing. It's not unreasonable to think competing in the NASL might not be worth your time. In the previous season, NASL offered at least $500 for making it into the top 16 PLUS covering all travel expenses.
This is playing with my ignorance so I apologize in advance but is doesn't NASL have flexible scheduling to accommodate the players across the other side of the world? I mean the matches that we were seeing on the the NASL live stream were not really live but pre-recorded.
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On August 12 2011 13:32 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 13:27 Kevo32 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:27 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:23 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 12 2011 13:20 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:16 windsupernova wrote:On August 12 2011 12:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:38 Brian333 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Saraf wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 Brian333 wrote:
I don't know how there are people that still don't get it.
NASL offers $1000 travel stipend and a $1000 minimum prize for top 16. The plane ticket and hotel costs alone are $2000+ meaning that they have to pay for some travel expenses themselves.
Koreans don't see it as a viable deal because they don't view months of pool play consisting of awkwardly scheduled games as a worthy investment of their time when you can actually lose your own money after fighting to a top 16 out of a sizable player pool and using another week of your time to travel abroad.
NASL refuses to / can't offer a larger travel stipend.
Compromise is not reached and Koreans withdraw. That is factually inaccurate. Plane ticket and hotel+local transportation for S1 were $1650 per player (posted by the NASL.tv account), and I feel like the OP ought to be edited to note that $2000 in guaranteed money covers all costs associated with going. Apparently, you missed my earlier post. You know why the OP should not do that? Because it's deceptively disingenuous and biased to try and tack that price onto the trip. The cost of plane tickets swings wildly depending on when you book it and how long in advance you book it. If I were to try and jump on a plane on Monday from Incheon International Airport to LAX, it would cost me nearly $3500 before taxes for a non-refundable multiple stop round-trip economy class ticket. Go check for yourself on the United Airlines website. Realistically speaking, booking about a month in advance during off-season will drop that price to $1200 before taxes. Still more than their travel stipend. And, that's assuming that the player can even book his flight a month in advance as if there is some guarantee that he will still be going a month later (there is none). Refundable tickets are significantly more expensive and I do not know the policies on canceling reservations beyond the 24-hour cut off but I have a suspicion it's not cheap. Booking a week in advance brings it up to $1600 before taxes. Brian, don't know if you saw this post earlier from the NASL poster , going to assume you missed it: I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.The 2k they offered was more than enough then and I don't see why it would be any different for season 2. I don´t get it then, if the whole paying for travelling expenses and hotel and food was less money than the 2k offered then why didn´t the NASL offered to pay their travel? Did I understand this post wrong? It's not $2000, it's $1000. It's $1000 travel stipend. NASL is offering to them that they'll change their prize structure around so that $1000 prize is guaranteed for making it into the top 16 and asking the Koreans to pay out the rest of their expenses out of that guaranteed $1000. It's definitely NASL that's trying to pay less than they did last time. Honestly, I don't think you understood. They made an offer of a thousand, which was rejected, so they made an offer of 2000. Read this part again: On August 12 2011 08:06 NASL.tv wrote:
We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation. The only thing that NASL is paying upfront is the $1000 stipend. The other "1000" they claim is part of that "2000" is changing their prize structure around so that making it into the top 16 guarantees you win at least 1000, and they're asking the Koreans to pay the rest of that money out of that guaranteed 1000. So if the traveling expenses were 1650, then the only thing the Koreans would get for making it into the top 16 would be a $350 profit. Not enough in many player's minds for 3 months of playing at odd hours and traveling overseas. And at the same time they can win the tournament and make 40 grand. And if they don't make it into the top 16, they get up at odd hours for 3 months for nothing. It's not unreasonable to think competing in the NASL might not be worth your time. In the previous season, NASL offered at least $500 for making it into the top 16 PLUS covering all travel expenses.
Not true. They had a $500 travel budget per player that they paid out of pocket, the rest came either from the teams or from the players' winnings (which the players agreed to). This season they offered a $1000 travel budget and $1000 guaranteed money, now spending $500 more per player on travel.
And it's fine for Koreans to say that they don't think their investment is worth it; that's fine. It's not fine for the union to step in and say it's not fine and pull all the players at the last minute.
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On August 12 2011 13:36 latan wrote:
has puma been paid yet?
I believe everyone was paid already.
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Lets look on the bright side with a large portion of koreans not attending, yet theres still some perhaps the foreigners can edge out a victory and make some money for a chance? :D
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On August 12 2011 13:34 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 13:27 Namkung wrote:On August 12 2011 13:15 Redlol wrote:On August 12 2011 13:12 EchoZ wrote:On August 12 2011 13:11 Redlol wrote:On August 12 2011 13:01 Blasphemi wrote:On August 12 2011 12:57 Redlol wrote:
Nazgul said earlier that he thinks it's reasonable for the Koreans to try to preserve their scene, and I think that's a good point. It's likely a defensive measure by the Koreans to prolong the true explosion of ESPORTS outside their country. People still consider Korea the place to be, and if the NASL is truly competitive that might not be the case anymore, especially with the recent exodus of Koreans to pro-teams.
Give it another year and Koreans will be begging to play in American and European tournaments, they can't preserve their scene forever. Never read something so ridiculous. Koreans have preserved their starcraft scene for ten years with zero foreign help. You literally didn't think about anything when you replied to this did you? "Koreans have preserved their starcraft scene for ten years with zero foreign help." That doesn't even remotely apply here, this statement doesn't make any sense. I'll clarify what I said based on what I think you meant though, BW in Korea is still bigger than SC2, of course the Koreans preserved the BW scene just fine. They will NOT preserve their SC2 scene, at least not in comparison to the foreign scene. The foreign scene WILL blow the Korean scene out of the water within one year. It's in the interests of the Koreans to prevent that from happening for as long as they can. But you got to see that the Korean players are a tier higher. Absolutely, but fact is the scene outside of Korea is growing so fast that soon there won't be any reason for foreigners to go to Korea, that means soon the Koreans will have to begin attending foreign tournaments even over attending the GSL. could not disagree with you more. the foreigners have already realized and admitted themselves that if they want to become the best, they must train in Korea. in fact I don't think there is much argument on this point. you say that the foreign scene will "blow" the korean scene. do you think that would be the case if things continue the way they are now ? aka koreans taking all the top finishes? also. the only reason koreans have to attend foreign events is for more money and what not. they would be completely fine even if the foreign sc2 scene was as dead as BW one . If you want to get better you play in Korea, no doubt. That's why Naniwa Sase and Thorzain are there. If you want to make money you play in Europe/America. Outside of the GSL Winners in Code S and the ST you make pittances.
i agree with you.
but that's the same thing with brood war and it has lasted so long (still going on). only the very top players make the bucks, and the others really make less than what they would make if they worked full time at mcdonalds.
even if the foreign scene was completely dead and had no tournaments, there would still be as many sc2 pro gamers in korea as there is now.
if they are the best players, they will for the most part win any foreign tournaments they have a chance to attend.
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Somewhere out there, Puma is laughing pretty hard right now.
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On August 12 2011 13:13 whateverpeeps wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 13:11 Kavas wrote:On August 12 2011 12:55 goswser wrote:
Wow why would they not come with an offer of a 2000 dollar stipend....thats just stupid, their winnings would more than cover their expenses..... That's because it's not a 2000 dollar stipend. It's 1000 stipend and 1000 from the player's own prize money. Where'd you get that from? From what I understood, that was the offer for Season 1, but for Season 2, they are giving all Koreans 1000, and then an additional 1000 for traveling. Which I guess means that if they qualify for finals, they get 2000 (which makes sense, because they wouldnt need to travel if they dont make finals).
On August 12 2011 08:06 NASL.tv wrote:
We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation.
Important parts are bolded.
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On August 12 2011 13:38 Jisunsu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 13:32 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:27 Kevo32 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:27 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:23 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 12 2011 13:20 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:16 windsupernova wrote:On August 12 2011 12:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:38 Brian333 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Saraf wrote:
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That is factually inaccurate. Plane ticket and hotel+local transportation for S1 were $1650 per player (posted by the NASL.tv account), and I feel like the OP ought to be edited to note that $2000 in guaranteed money covers all costs associated with going. Apparently, you missed my earlier post. You know why the OP should not do that? Because it's deceptively disingenuous and biased to try and tack that price onto the trip. The cost of plane tickets swings wildly depending on when you book it and how long in advance you book it. If I were to try and jump on a plane on Monday from Incheon International Airport to LAX, it would cost me nearly $3500 before taxes for a non-refundable multiple stop round-trip economy class ticket. Go check for yourself on the United Airlines website. Realistically speaking, booking about a month in advance during off-season will drop that price to $1200 before taxes. Still more than their travel stipend. And, that's assuming that the player can even book his flight a month in advance as if there is some guarantee that he will still be going a month later (there is none). Refundable tickets are significantly more expensive and I do not know the policies on canceling reservations beyond the 24-hour cut off but I have a suspicion it's not cheap. Booking a week in advance brings it up to $1600 before taxes. Brian, don't know if you saw this post earlier from the NASL poster , going to assume you missed it: I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.The 2k they offered was more than enough then and I don't see why it would be any different for season 2. I don´t get it then, if the whole paying for travelling expenses and hotel and food was less money than the 2k offered then why didn´t the NASL offered to pay their travel? Did I understand this post wrong? It's not $2000, it's $1000. It's $1000 travel stipend. NASL is offering to them that they'll change their prize structure around so that $1000 prize is guaranteed for making it into the top 16 and asking the Koreans to pay out the rest of their expenses out of that guaranteed $1000. It's definitely NASL that's trying to pay less than they did last time. Honestly, I don't think you understood. They made an offer of a thousand, which was rejected, so they made an offer of 2000. Read this part again: On August 12 2011 08:06 NASL.tv wrote:
We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation. The only thing that NASL is paying upfront is the $1000 stipend. The other "1000" they claim is part of that "2000" is changing their prize structure around so that making it into the top 16 guarantees you win at least 1000, and they're asking the Koreans to pay the rest of that money out of that guaranteed 1000. So if the traveling expenses were 1650, then the only thing the Koreans would get for making it into the top 16 would be a $350 profit. Not enough in many player's minds for 3 months of playing at odd hours and traveling overseas. And at the same time they can win the tournament and make 40 grand. And if they don't make it into the top 16, they get up at odd hours for 3 months for nothing. It's not unreasonable to think competing in the NASL might not be worth your time. In the previous season, NASL offered at least $500 for making it into the top 16 PLUS covering all travel expenses. This is playing with my ignorance so I apologize in advance but is doesn't NASL have flexible scheduling to accommodate the players across the other side of the world? I mean the matches that we were seeing on the the NASL live stream were not really live but pre-recorded.
They were livecasted though, as in the casters had to be recording in the studio when the games were being played. I don't understand why they can't cast off Replays. Xeris explained previously that it's impossible to get players to schedule games (see IPL). I can understand that. But I still think they should just cast off replays, give players a set time to play their match, and allow them to reschedule at their convenience (provided they play by a certain date) - but at least there is a set time there so if one player doesn't show up then you can figure out what happened.
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On August 12 2011 10:37 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 10:24 Rorschach wrote:On August 12 2011 10:18 silentrealm wrote:
Terrible terrible terrible....
Oh wait...who cares?
This tournament is the North American Starleague. It was never about the Koreans, it was about a foreigner tournament becoming as prominent as the GSL
It can still do that despite the stubbornness of the Korean teams. Wake up call, a lot of people care.... This is a hard hit to the NASL. Asking for special treatment is not all that cool but at the same time when "your" players offer the highest lvl of play and this is the entertainment industry your really at their mercy...... Do you actually have numbers to back it up ? 100 screaming posters on TL is not a proof that their viewership will be much affected.
Ask MLG how many viewers they had in dallas compared too in columbus or aneheim. They didnt even release their numbers for dallas, wich means they were probably pretty bad. If it was something to be proud of they would have released them.
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Hope it's not too late to start negotiations for NASL 3. One season with limited participation isn't that much of a problem in the long run. Gl NASL!
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