EPTgood riddance slayers didn't join the joke of the organisation they are.
bring in kespa.
Korean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 83
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GTR
51706 Posts
good riddance slayers didn't join the joke of the organisation they are. bring in kespa. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On August 12 2011 13:49 Geo.Rion wrote: good, very good, it will be as it should, mostly foreigners and a couple of Koreans so it s more interesting, without knowing who will be the top 8 Plenty of people thought that first finals were plenty interesting with the Koreans. So no, not good, not very good at all. | ||
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SuitGuy
United States186 Posts
On August 12 2011 13:52 Jehct wrote: This could actually be a really big blunder on NASL's part. If you compare NASL and IPL, NASL was getting ~9k viewers and IPL is getting ~6-7k on average. The biggest difference between the two was the player pool - in every other way NASL is pretty much inferior (even the finals were plagued with technical problems). NASL's viewers were also rising - IPL's have been falling as people lose interest in the lower caliber of play. As arguable 'unfair' as the Koreans requests were, this lack of Korean presence could really hurt the viewer numbers for NASL. People are seriously losing interest in any foreigner that isn't 100% top-tier (Idra, Naniwa, Thorzain, Huk) or a fan favourite (TLO, Destiny). I can't imagine even the NASL finals being good now: chances are whatever Korean-trained player turns up will roflstomp the competition (Puma). Doesn't it seem more likely that teams will see the $100,000 prize pool won by "inferior players" and cave? NASL basically offered a $100,000 free roll here and all the Koreans have to do is wake up early? THIS IS WHAT THEY DO FOR A LIVING. Sometimes your job requires you to work weird hours, man the fuck up and do your job. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2011 13:52 Jehct wrote: This could actually be a really big blunder on NASL's part. If you compare NASL and IPL, NASL was getting ~9k viewers and IPL is getting ~6-7k on average. The biggest difference between the two was the player pool - in every other way NASL is pretty much inferior (even the finals were plagued with technical problems). NASL's viewers were also rising - IPL's have been falling as people lose interest in the lower caliber of play. As arguable 'unfair' as the Koreans requests were, this lack of Korean presence could really hurt the viewer numbers for NASL. People are seriously losing interest in any foreigner that isn't 100% top-tier (Idra, Naniwa, Thorzain, Huk) or a fan favourite (TLO, Destiny). I can't imagine even the NASL finals being good now: chances are whatever Korean-trained player turns up will roflstomp the competition (Puma). Your numbers are wrpng. Nasl was getting about 15k in viewer and would get up to 20k on certain days. IPL is getting 10 to 12k viewers | ||
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Castrophy
United States232 Posts
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
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SuitGuy
United States186 Posts
On August 12 2011 13:57 Castrophy wrote: I'm wondering what will happen now? Will differnt players be added to replace to the ones who dropped out? And shouldn't SK cover MC's expenses? I'm curious about this too. I'd add back in the top players from season 1 that didn't qualify for season 2. Run a tiny tournament if necessary to break ties. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2011 13:57 Castrophy wrote: I'm wondering what will happen now? Will differnt players be added to replace to the ones who dropped out? And shouldn't SK cover MC's expenses? Hopefully they will, nasl is waiting to hear from them. If not, then sc2con is really up to something | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3721 Posts
On August 12 2011 13:47 JSy wrote: So to summarize. (and to make it clearer I'll just focus on the numbers, i.e. MONEY, here) Assume a Korean player that gets through the 2 months of league (plenty of people have already discussed what this entails for players and why some have said they probably won't play in NASL anytime soon) and made it to Ro16. Let's see what they were guaranteed for NASL 1 and what was offered was NASL 2: NASL 1 Ro16 prize: $500 Travel and accommodations provided by NASL (previously stated to have cost ~$1700) Total value of making it to NASL Ro16: ~$2200 NASL 2 Ro16 prize: $1000 (raised by NASL to help cover costs for players having to travel to the finals event) Travel stipend for Korean players: $1000 Total value of making it to NASL Ro16: $2000 NASL1 vs NASL2 ~$2200 vs $2000 (PER PLAYER) Not a big difference, but one maybe SC2Con coaches were not expecting to have to cover PER PLAYER. So, despite all of the changes and concessions NASL made to try and help Korean players compete in NASL, the guaranteed earnings are lower. And of course there are plenty of other factors: conflicts with other competitions/GSL this time around, changes in travel/accommodations cost for the players managing that on their own. Not to mention, with the way the prize pool was restructured not only is the guaranteed Ro16 prize smaller (for the Koreans), but the potential prize from advancing in the finals bracket is also smaller. For those that seem to want to hash out the soundness of the decision making on the part of the Koreans. That's my take. But honestly, it's up to the teams and players which tournaments they choose to participate in and we haven't heard a statement on why they chose to withdraw from NASL 2 so why the churn!? What I am really interested in is why it happened so late and note beforehand, as SlayerS did? NASL in the OP clearly is painting SC2Con in a bad light, but what's the full story? Maybe they were expecting the same accommodations by NASL that they received for NASL 1? Which, if I did it right above, were better in NASL 1 than is offered in NASL 2 (despite NASL trying to word it as if they are making even more concessions). Is it really just childish revenge for how the signing of Puma went down? I.e., well you say you were fine in talking to Puma and you took him from us (TSL/Korea) because we didn't have a contract with him so now we're gonna screw you by pretending to participate right up until we actually sign a contract neener neener neeener. (I REALLY hope this isn't it... *facepalm*) Anyway, I now go back to eyeing PlayXP for any news/response. Did I miss the part where they said they paid for travel besides the $500 in season 1? And then you turn around and throw shit saying that all koreans are shoving a giant middle finger in the air to NASL due to the PuMa incident? | ||
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hypnoxide
240 Posts
On August 12 2011 10:04 Condor Hero wrote: Yeah what happened to Ret really makes me wonder what the 9 weeks was for. If I was a top level Korean player and I had the choice, I'd be someone like Puma and just try to hero the qualifiers rather than wake up at 4am for 9 weeks and play with shitty latency. Lets not forget that playing Starcraft is, you know, their job. Some people have to get up for work at 4am. | ||
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Drium
United States888 Posts
 .Sounds like you really tried to keep them from leaving. Offering to redistribute the prize pool is no small thing. At least there are more koreans on foreign teams now than there were for season 1. | ||
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Jeity
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AllSalesFinal
United States211 Posts
Why do people watch college football, when the NFL is the MOST TALENTED? In my case, it is because I love seeing the players that are going to be the future and watch players that live around me and are playing because they love it. College players are not all pro-caliber, but they are still entertaining to watch. SC2 can be the same way, you can say the koreans are the best all you want, but you can't act like there is no talent or entertainment in NA/EU scene that is worth watching, that is just plain stupid. It amazes me that people don't want to watch a tournament because koreans aren't in it even though you have players like ret, idra, sjow, strelok, select, etc participating in it. That is some sick talent in just those few players. | ||
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BWILLdur
United States100 Posts
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On August 12 2011 13:55 SuitGuy wrote: Doesn't it seem more likely that teams will see the $100,000 prize pool won by "inferior players" and cave? NASL basically offered a $100,000 free roll here and all the Koreans have to do is wake up early? THIS IS WHAT THEY DO FOR A LIVING. Sometimes your job requires you to work weird hours, man the fuck up and do your job. If a progamer's job is to win SC2 tournies, then what would you say to the foreigners that get their asses kicked and still don't practice? | ||
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Phats
Australia534 Posts
Puma wins 50k MC wins 25k July 5k another 2 koreans got to Ro8 which was like 1.5k? only 3 of them didn't progress past top 16.... I am SOOOOOOOO dissapointed in this "committee" sc2con or w/e. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
On August 12 2011 13:50 tripper688 wrote: It's not unfair because it obviously plays a part in their decision as to whether or not a tournament is "Worth it." And the scheduling isn't done by the teams or players, it's done by NASL. Before Season 1 started, I'd imagine the Koreans were made aware of how scheduling would work. I don't understand how they would get into Season 2 without sorting this out with NASL. I understand that it's a problem and I'm really dismayed that they cast these games the way they do. However, if the Koreans had any common sense and decency, this should have been a major point of discussion before season 2 was even close to starting (with a withdrawal then). The travel expenses is a completely separate issue. So yes, I think match scheduling has no room in this discussion. It's just an afterthought or excuse for people trying to justify their actions. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:02 dabom88 wrote: So no Koreans. This along with the stupid map decisions, I probably wont be paying attention to NASL. Shame, NASL had so much potential too. I could be wrong, but weren't the maps more or less decided by the viewers. Like I said, I'm not sure if thats 100% correct. | ||
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StUfF
Australia1437 Posts
On August 12 2011 13:59 DyEnasTy wrote: Did I miss the part where they said they paid for travel besides the $500 in season 1? And then you turn around and throw shit saying that all koreans are shoving a giant middle finger in the air to NASL due to the PuMa incident? NASL provided accomodation and air fares but all costs were deducted from prize money. | ||
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