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itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
August 12 2011 00:12 GMT
#541
Well that's disappointing news. I'll still watch NASL as much as I would have with koreans nonetheless. Now it will be more of a foreigner competition which excites me in a different way. I love to watch the best foreigners duke it out
=)=
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
August 12 2011 00:12 GMT
#542
On August 12 2011 09:10 legaton wrote:
Could people stop comparing SC2con and Kespa, or saying stuff like "Kespa-esque"? Kespa build the strong corporation-based organization of Broodwar? Broodwar teams wouldn't have this problems because they have contracts, salaries, money for trips, huge sponsors, a clear system for professional licenses, rules. Broodwar has everything SC2 needs in Korea. I wish they had a KEspa instead of an amateurish SC2con.

Viva le Kespa!


Yea I prefer smaller paid freedom over a higher paid slave system
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TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
August 12 2011 00:12 GMT
#543
Hey now all you fans can watch the NASL grand finals with all foreigners.

Isn't that what most people complain about? too many koreans in foreign tournaments.

Its funny, cause now people will say it won't be a big deal winning the NASL cause the lack of skill lol.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
August 12 2011 00:13 GMT
#544
I wasn't going to buy a pass for the NASL simply because I don't have the time to watch that many games... but now I will be showing them my support in doing so. Still looking forward to a lot of great games.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
AxelTVx
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada916 Posts
August 12 2011 00:13 GMT
#545
Wait, so it's the teams that are arguing for more money? Mr Chae has undoubtedly helped the esports seen so much, but first can we make clear which side is the one that is not accepting the offers? NASL? Teams? Mr. Chae?
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Ventor
Profile Joined February 2011
United States336 Posts
August 12 2011 00:13 GMT
#546
I bet IdrA is jumping for joy after seeing this....

No korean teams = No thank you.

I'd rather not watch a bunch of mediocre players compete...
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zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:19:15
August 12 2011 00:13 GMT
#547
ok, this is bad news After reading about the offer to pay 1k for travel + at least 1k for participating, the argument from sc2con doesnt stand any longer. I wonder about the real reason for this boycott. Fans are losing in the end.
keep it deep! @zulison
ShootingStars
Profile Joined August 2010
1475 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:13:42
August 12 2011 00:13 GMT
#548
On August 12 2011 09:12 ronpaul012 wrote:
I may get chewed out and laughed at for this, but I'm actually indifferent by this. It is the north american star league after all, and personally I would almost like to see it as only north american players, or all foreign players. To be perfectly honest I'm getting kind of sick just watching koreans absolutely destroy foreigners. Its getting to the point in most tournaments where it's not worth my time to watch before the top 8 because It's just blow-outs. Then in the top 8 its just koreans v koreans. I already have the gsl for that.

When koreans started playing in more tournaments such as the nasl, or the exchange with mlg I was pumped. But now its starting to become lame and I kind of want the older more exciting matches back.

How is it possibly more exciting when the skill level is so low without Koreans WITH exceptions of a FEW foreigners >>
Dali.
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand689 Posts
August 12 2011 00:13 GMT
#549
On August 12 2011 09:08 AnalThermometer wrote:
Amusing how the topic "koreans are killing Esports" or whatever it was got closed, and then this happens. They know the western market is huge and want to milk the cow, and NASL just got cheesed. I'm sure NASL will still get a lot of viewers but it's a pretty big blow, maybe also a bit of a warning to not get too attached to korea. I can see why you only get a few players flying to each event with these high demands.


The farmer can't milk the cow if he doesn't get out of bed.

Koreans brought home $84.5k USD after the last NASL finals, suddenly its not worth their while. Its their loss as much as NASL's.
integrity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1014 Posts
August 12 2011 00:13 GMT
#550
the more and more i read this thread it makes me wonder can if nasl can take some legal action against sc2con?



need some lawyers or law students in the thread plz!!!
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
August 12 2011 00:13 GMT
#551
thats a shame. Looks like NASL went above and beyond but money is money and business is business.
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pompey606
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom98 Posts
August 12 2011 00:13 GMT
#552
The quality and detail in the post is very good, there is nothing to ponder, no possible drama, very well handled NASL. I am suprised by snobbishness of the Korean teams, and I am sure if it was up to the players the answer would be reversed.
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BLCabeldank
Profile Joined July 2011
United States99 Posts
August 12 2011 00:13 GMT
#553
On August 12 2011 08:17 NASL.tv wrote:
Sen will still participate


this'll be really good i love watching Sen play
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Eknoid4
Profile Joined October 2010
United States902 Posts
August 12 2011 00:13 GMT
#554
On August 12 2011 09:12 ronpaul012 wrote:
I may get chewed out and laughed at for this, but I'm actually indifferent by this. It is the north american star league after all, and personally I would almost like to see it as only north american players, or all foreign players. To be perfectly honest I'm getting kind of sick just watching koreans absolutely destroy foreigners. Its getting to the point in most tournaments where it's not worth my time to watch before the top 8 because It's just blow-outs. Then in the top 8 its just koreans v koreans. I already have the gsl for that.

When koreans started playing in more tournaments such as the nasl, or the exchange with mlg I was pumped. But now its starting to become lame and I kind of want the older more exciting matches back.

well if you dont wanna watch the best starcraft and just wanna watch people who look like you play starcraft, go buy a 12 year old a copy and watch him play.
If you're mad that someone else is brazenly trumpeting their beliefs with ignorance, perhaps you should be mad that you are doing it too.
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
August 12 2011 00:14 GMT
#555
omfg this is horrible, at least puma and hero arent affected but still thats a massive amount of players who cannot compete now T.T does that mean there will be another qualifier if the koreans end up never agreeing to play?
seansye
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1722 Posts
August 12 2011 00:14 GMT
#556
Whats the flight ticket prices from korea to LA? aren't they like $1000-$1500 for economy? + hotel rooms, but imo nasl shouldn't take a period of 3 days. 2 is enough.
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
August 12 2011 00:14 GMT
#557
On August 12 2011 09:13 AxelTVx wrote:
Wait, so it's the teams that are arguing for more money? Mr Chae has undoubtedly helped the esports seen so much, but first can we make clear which side is the one that is not accepting the offers? NASL? Teams? Mr. Chae?


Mr.Chae seems to just be acting as a translator and mediator, he's not making any decisions.
bluestuff
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada893 Posts
August 12 2011 00:14 GMT
#558
so no Naniwa, thorzain, and no korea. Awesome can't wait till I get to see the high level play of Painuser vs. Deezer.

( no offence to either player, but definitely a step down from the code A/S level of entertainment from last season)
WizShaw
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada107 Posts
August 12 2011 00:14 GMT
#559
Ahhh so what. This isnt the GSL, this is the NA starleague. This way other players will have more of a chance.

Screw them for being crybabies. Got to used to the treatment from MLG.
Never Rub Another mans Rhubarb
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:17:23
August 12 2011 00:14 GMT
#560
On August 12 2011 09:06 echO [W] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:03 Fubi wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:17 storm44 wrote:
How about you change your fuckin terrible format. One series and you get knocked out? Who gives a shit if you pay for all their expenses. They are not going to travel across the world only to play for 30 minutes. I think this was a huge factor in why they chose not to participate.


This ^

For 2-3 months, the Koreans had to wake up at ungodly hours every week, play with lag disadvantage, then players like Boxer had to travel half way across the globe... all this to play two freakin games? And you're telling them that their full travel cost wont be covered?

No wonder players like Boxer is withdrew...

What?

It's not about the format. If you don't like the format, don't sign up for qualifers to qualify into the league, don't sign paperwork, don't engage in talks, don't make NASL think that you're going to play in the NASL. It's that simple. That's why NesTea hasn't joined.

What the Koreans did was show all intention of playing in the league, they played in all the qualifiers, than back out at the last minute. If you had a problem with the format, you don't engage in behavior that makes it look like you're going to play in the league.


Yeah, format is beside the issue.

But, I don't want to derail the thread, but the format does suck. For S3 they might want to consider regional divisions for the online portion at least. I'm not a fan of watching poor lag induced play either. Plus injection of players right into the playoffs in a 3 day tournament while players who invested the full 2-3 months into the regular season get screwed.

That way you can have like top X from each region. Max X Koreans won't kill your budget if you just pay all their costs? Instead of a potential sweep of the playoffs lol. I dunno.
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