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Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
August 12 2011 00:09 GMT
#521
On August 12 2011 09:07 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:05 Kraznaya wrote:
On August 12 2011 09:00 NASL.tv wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:57 Kraznaya wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:56 NASL.tv wrote:
We have absolutely no problem if the Koreans think the NASL is not worth their time // investment. Our only issue is the fact that they all: a) knew the contents of the contract, b) deliberately signed up players to qualify for the league, c) made demands, and d) waited until we already started the season to tell us that our offers to them were not acceptable.


So are you going to address whether the security deposit was the true issue?


We have already begun paying back all security deposits of players who are no longer in Season 2. Our contract states that all prizes will be paid within 60 days of the end of Season 1. We are still within that time frame, and will be paying all prizes within that period!

Artosis, HuK (who paid Boxer's deposit for S1), WeMadeFox, etc could all attest to the fact that we have and will pay our deposits back.


That's not what I'm asking.

I'm asking: do Korean teams simply not have the cash to pay their new security deposits? Because considering the $2000 you're offering for travel costs, it seems like that is the true hang up to their participation. In that case I believe an exception should be made for the Koreans and their security deposits, since they had an exemplary record of playing all games on time in Season 1.


No. In that case they should've withdrawn several weeks ago already. There are several NA and EU players who showed up to all their games, what if they want an exception too?


Sure why not? After all, they've earned it for participating fully in the league in Season 1.
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Swad1000
Profile Joined January 2011
United States366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:12:11
August 12 2011 00:09 GMT
#522
On August 12 2011 09:05 Dali. wrote:
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On August 12 2011 09:02 ShootingStars wrote:
There does 90% of the NASL viewers...


If 90% of viewers watch simply to spot a 'mythical' Korean then they're fools.

The game > the player.


The player makes the game

Im not tuning into watch Mc vs Catz because I already know what is going to happen. I will tune into watch Nestea vs Mc because it will be top level all around.

Also the finals that made Nasl good was complete bullshit. Watching guys like Ret and Boxer get knocked out of the tournament instantly was terrible. Not to mention they had Dustin Browder balancing the sound.
supdubdup
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States916 Posts
August 12 2011 00:09 GMT
#523
It's okay. Koreans can still qualify through the super tournament. :O
Turn it Up
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
August 12 2011 00:09 GMT
#524
On August 12 2011 09:05 NASL.tv wrote:
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On August 12 2011 09:03 BLCabeldank wrote:
that's so stupid... Mr. Chae has done nothing but hurt the foreign scene in my opinion... between his posts about foreign teams being scared to go to GSL to now this... $2000 per person was more than enough per person considering it's 4 times the original offer... well this sucks still going to watch the NASL should still be extremely cool


This is absolutely false. Mr.Chae works VERY HARD to unite the Korean and foreign scene. I've spoken to him extensively about this issue and others, and I consider him a friend of mine. He has tried to argue our case to the Korean teams. He has been nothing but helpful. Please, show your respect to GOMTV and Mr.Chae, they're truly trying to help make eSports more global! <3 Mr.Chae


I actually am impressed by the constant communication you've provided throughout this thread and to clear up misunderstandings. So I'd like to say thank you!
Gameplay > Personality
Midgetman101
Profile Joined February 2011
United States825 Posts
August 12 2011 00:09 GMT
#525
On August 12 2011 09:06 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:03 Fubi wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:17 storm44 wrote:
How about you change your fuckin terrible format. One series and you get knocked out? Who gives a shit if you pay for all their expenses. They are not going to travel across the world only to play for 30 minutes. I think this was a huge factor in why they chose not to participate.


This ^

For 2-3 months, the Koreans had to wake up at ungodly hours every week, play with lag disadvantage, then players like Boxer had to travel half way across the globe... all this to play two freakin games? And you're telling them that their full travel cost wont be covered?

No wonder players like Boxer is withdrew...

Sadly there is truth to this.. I think ret had it worst of all tho TT!

Ret literally lost in like 10 minutes with no shot at redemption and he was number 1 seed...
~Terran For Life~
Amlitzer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States471 Posts
August 12 2011 00:09 GMT
#526
No Asian Starcraft League?

I'm glad I decided to purchase a GSL season ticket rather than a NASL season ticket. Don't worry though I'll still tune in to the free stream every night, I actually like Gretorp. Who knows things might actually work out better this way.
"Not even justice, I want to get truth!"
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
August 12 2011 00:10 GMT
#527
On August 12 2011 09:08 hdan wrote:
And people going on about the format, seems kinda similar when foeigners win code A status and have one bo3 otherwise good luck requalifying through code b hell, tournaments dont need to be double elimination to be great, NASL had great finals IMO, and I find the format better that way because then all the matches can be broadcast and you dont have to miss out on what could be potentially awesome games like we do in MLG because there are hundreds of games played every day.


Think twice please. Foreigners got SEEDED into Code A.

ALL foreigners (and koreans) that participated in NASL S1 got SEEDED.

And yes, the NASL finals were good. Guess why?
My penis is 15 inches long, I'm a Harvard professor and look better than Brad Pitt and Jake Gyllenhaal combined.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
August 12 2011 00:10 GMT
#528
On August 12 2011 09:05 NASL.tv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:03 BLCabeldank wrote:
that's so stupid... Mr. Chae has done nothing but hurt the foreign scene in my opinion... between his posts about foreign teams being scared to go to GSL to now this... $2000 per person was more than enough per person considering it's 4 times the original offer... well this sucks still going to watch the NASL should still be extremely cool


This is absolutely false. Mr.Chae works VERY HARD to unite the Korean and foreign scene. I've spoken to him extensively about this issue and others, and I consider him a friend of mine. He has tried to argue our case to the Korean teams. He has been nothing but helpful. Please, show your respect to GOMTV and Mr.Chae, they're truly trying to help make eSports more global! <3 Mr.Chae


I can also attest to how awesome Mr Chae is and how hard he works for e-sports.

This is SC2CON.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
August 12 2011 00:10 GMT
#529
On August 12 2011 09:08 NASL.tv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:05 Kraznaya wrote:
On August 12 2011 09:00 NASL.tv wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:57 Kraznaya wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:56 NASL.tv wrote:
We have absolutely no problem if the Koreans think the NASL is not worth their time // investment. Our only issue is the fact that they all: a) knew the contents of the contract, b) deliberately signed up players to qualify for the league, c) made demands, and d) waited until we already started the season to tell us that our offers to them were not acceptable.


So are you going to address whether the security deposit was the true issue?


We have already begun paying back all security deposits of players who are no longer in Season 2. Our contract states that all prizes will be paid within 60 days of the end of Season 1. We are still within that time frame, and will be paying all prizes within that period!

Artosis, HuK (who paid Boxer's deposit for S1), WeMadeFox, etc could all attest to the fact that we have and will pay our deposits back.


That's not what I'm asking.

I'm asking: do Korean teams simply not have the cash to pay their new security deposits? Because considering the $2000 you're offering for travel costs, it seems like that is the true hang up to their participation. In that case I believe an exception should be made for the Koreans and their security deposits, since they had an exemplary record of playing all games on time in Season 1.


Ensnare forfeited games twice. While in general, the Koreans were more professional about their participation that foreigners, it wasn't exemplary. I offered the Korean teams to talk to me personally if the deposits were a problem and we could work something out, but I heard no responses other than the same repeated ultimatum.


Seems like it's a communication problem then. I hope that you continue to try to pursue as many channels as possible to communicate with the teams, because I really hope Korean participation in the league can be salvaged. :/
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:14:49
August 12 2011 00:10 GMT
#530
Could people stop comparing SC2con and Kespa, or saying stuff like "Kespa-esque"? Kespa build the strong corporation-based organization of Broodwar. Broodwar teams wouldn't have this problems because they have contracts, salaries, money for trips, huge sponsors, a clear system for professional licenses, rules. Broodwar has everything SC2 needs in Korea. I wish they had a KEspa instead of an amateurish SC2con.

Viva le Kespa!
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
SxYSpAz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1451 Posts
August 12 2011 00:10 GMT
#531
i wonder if the korean players actually care at all, or if they're pissed about missing the opportunity.
Lupita
Profile Joined September 2010
United States290 Posts
August 12 2011 00:10 GMT
#532
It's decisions like this that are going to make more players like Puma, Hero, and Rain join American teams, I really hope the people at SC2Con and the Korean team managers realize this.

From what i can tell, and what I've heard from the commentators/people involved, the Koreans love the American fans and the atmosphere here in the states.

I expect more Koreans to defect to American teams in the future if more decisions like this keep coming out of Korea.

And the effect on NASL viewership may not be as substantial as 90%, but the fact that it will no longer be a tournament involving the full gamut of the best players in the world will definitely make it take a hit in viewers/subscribers.
Do, or do not, there is no try...
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:11:54
August 12 2011 00:10 GMT
#533
On August 12 2011 09:08 NASL.tv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:05 Kraznaya wrote:
On August 12 2011 09:00 NASL.tv wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:57 Kraznaya wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:56 NASL.tv wrote:
We have absolutely no problem if the Koreans think the NASL is not worth their time // investment. Our only issue is the fact that they all: a) knew the contents of the contract, b) deliberately signed up players to qualify for the league, c) made demands, and d) waited until we already started the season to tell us that our offers to them were not acceptable.


So are you going to address whether the security deposit was the true issue?


We have already begun paying back all security deposits of players who are no longer in Season 2. Our contract states that all prizes will be paid within 60 days of the end of Season 1. We are still within that time frame, and will be paying all prizes within that period!

Artosis, HuK (who paid Boxer's deposit for S1), WeMadeFox, etc could all attest to the fact that we have and will pay our deposits back.


That's not what I'm asking.

I'm asking: do Korean teams simply not have the cash to pay their new security deposits? Because considering the $2000 you're offering for travel costs, it seems like that is the true hang up to their participation. In that case I believe an exception should be made for the Koreans and their security deposits, since they had an exemplary record of playing all games on time in Season 1.


Ensnare forfeited games twice. While in general, the Koreans were more professional about their participation that foreigners, it wasn't exemplary. I offered the Korean teams to talk to me personally if the deposits were a problem and we could work something out, but I heard no responses other than the same repeated ultimatum.


This is really bizarre. If their demand was travel expenses and no security deposit, and the $1000 travel expenses + guaranteed $1000 even if they lost in the first round covered travel expenses, the security deposit seems to be the only issue left.

Are we sure there isn't just some kind of misunderstanding or maybe translations giving off the wrong tone?
sWs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States409 Posts
August 12 2011 00:11 GMT
#534
I am kind of happy honestly, I mean it's the North American Star League. The GSL doesn't let you play online all the way to the grand finals, and then they def don't pay your way to korea. Ridiculous demands, are ridiculous. I applaud the NASL for really trying with the budget thing, but honestly i am kind of happy.
@swsc2
hdan
Profile Joined June 2011
27 Posts
August 12 2011 00:11 GMT
#535
Im quite happy that the koreans have pulled out, if they cant afford to send theyre players to a tournments with prize pools that big so be it, some money in foreigner pockets is okay by me, besides, puma hero rain and the FXO guys will probably be up there if they can take the places.
Carras
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina860 Posts
August 12 2011 00:11 GMT
#536
i think offering them 2,000 was MORE than fair.. why wouldnt the accept :/ the trip would cost them very little, they have the chance of making more money.. making a name,glory AND making their sponsors happy with hundreds of thousands of views..
ShootingStars
Profile Joined August 2010
1475 Posts
August 12 2011 00:11 GMT
#537
This is the same exact thing the World Baseball League is having trouble with, they are having trouble getting Japan to participate unless they give them more money.

You know what they say, no money no skill.

NASL needs to give much more money to attract the Koreans.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 12 2011 00:12 GMT
#538
On August 12 2011 09:08 Z3kk wrote:
I would say that the Korean teams were in the wrong for pulling out with such late notice, but really think that NASL should consider changing the format, because it punishes just one bad series with a trip back home on a plane.

Yet they still get $1,000 for the one bad series. This has nothing to do with format and everything to do with money. Do you think that they would still be in NASL if players played a minimum of two series instead of one? I certainly dont.
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snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
August 12 2011 00:12 GMT
#539
On August 12 2011 09:07 Silver777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:05 snailz wrote:
On August 12 2011 09:03 Fubi wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:17 storm44 wrote:
How about you change your fuckin terrible format. One series and you get knocked out? Who gives a shit if you pay for all their expenses. They are not going to travel across the world only to play for 30 minutes. I think this was a huge factor in why they chose not to participate.


This ^

For 2-3 months, the Koreans had to wake up at ungodly hours every week, play with lag disadvantage, then players like Boxer had to travel half way across the globe... all this to play two freakin games? And you're telling them that their full travel cost wont be covered?

No wonder players like Boxer is withdrew...


^ i was just saying that...

change the format, it's bad.


Or the Koreans could choose to not participate knowing this beforehand...its not like GSL allows for participation for those outside of Korea until the finals....


so it's ok for you that #1 seed can get knocked out of the tournament in half an hour, after 2 months hard work getting to that #1 seed, traveling across the ocean to play in the finals?

format is bad, it should be double elimination, and open tourney player shouldn't be seeded as last, because skill-wise he obviously won't be.
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
August 12 2011 00:12 GMT
#540
I may get chewed out and laughed at for this, but I'm actually indifferent by this. It is the north american star league after all, and personally I would almost like to see it as only north american players, or all foreign players. To be perfectly honest I'm getting kind of sick just watching koreans absolutely destroy foreigners. Its getting to the point in most tournaments where it's not worth my time to watch before the top 8 because It's just blow-outs. Then in the top 8 its just koreans v koreans. I already have the gsl for that.

When koreans started playing in more tournaments such as the nasl, or the exchange with mlg I was pumped. But now its starting to become lame and I kind of want the older more exciting matches back.
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