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hdan
Profile Joined June 2011
27 Posts
August 12 2011 00:03 GMT
#481
I think its kinda funny that the community is split on this but everyone thinks that MLGs prize money is fine, when some people are saying there should be a minimum $2-5k payout for NASL Top16. Ridiculous.
Heraklitus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States553 Posts
August 12 2011 00:03 GMT
#482
You guys should keep their security deposit for fucking you over.
integrity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1014 Posts
August 12 2011 00:03 GMT
#483
On August 12 2011 08:58 Lokj wrote:
Sue them for real? What good would that do for SC2 eSport or the NASL?


still if nasl feel they have been wronged down the long run due to viewership. and they have legal grounds i say all the power to them
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:04:41
August 12 2011 00:03 GMT
#484
i understand Boxer not wanting to come: when u get to the finals it's a single elimination bo3, fromat which really sucks. i dont know if they changed that for season2, but what happened to Ret (as first seed) was just sad. so in a competition with 10+ more koreans (making finals even harder, and easy money not so easy anymore) it's really difficult to say "fuck it ill pay 2000$ so what if i get puma first round"

in that regard i was really surprised that SO many koreans signed up for s2. even tho they won't come now, i dont think it has to be a bad thing. as long as top koreans still come, it's all good. 5-6 top dogs and it's all good

edit: nasl should perhaps use that 100,000$ in a way that less money goes to #1 and more money to everyone that gets to lan finals
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
August 12 2011 00:03 GMT
#485
Well, I guess this means that the NASL is actually going to end up being the North American Star League after all. I have the feeling that the underlying/unspoken motivations behind this withdrawal is not unrelated to the player poaching (attempted and successful) that went on during the last NASL finals. The SC2 scene in Korea is somewhat weak and this feels more like a power-play than a legitimate concern about the financing of travel.
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
August 12 2011 00:03 GMT
#486
On August 12 2011 08:17 storm44 wrote:
How about you change your fuckin terrible format. One series and you get knocked out? Who gives a shit if you pay for all their expenses. They are not going to travel across the world only to play for 30 minutes. I think this was a huge factor in why they chose not to participate.


This ^

For 2-3 months, the Koreans had to wake up at ungodly hours every week, play with lag disadvantage, then players like Boxer had to travel half way across the globe... all this to play two freakin games? And you're telling them that their full travel cost wont be covered?

No wonder players like Boxer is withdrew...
Pengu
Profile Joined April 2011
England226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:06:44
August 12 2011 00:04 GMT
#487
This sucks for Nasl

I mean its almost like they were using this as a threat... if you don't do X we will throw our toys out the pram.
Deadbread
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany143 Posts
August 12 2011 00:04 GMT
#488
That sucks.
will watch nervetheless
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 12 2011 00:05 GMT
#489

On August 12 2011 08:56 NASL.tv wrote:
We have absolutely no problem if the Koreans think the NASL is not worth their time // investment. Our only issue is the fact that they all: a) knew the contents of the contract, b) deliberately signed up players to qualify for the league, c) made demands, and d) waited until we already started the season to tell us that our offers to them were not acceptable.



I'm really beginning to question how these Korean teams are managed when it comes to money. It seems very amateurish.
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Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
August 12 2011 00:05 GMT
#490
On August 12 2011 09:03 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:17 storm44 wrote:
How about you change your fuckin terrible format. One series and you get knocked out? Who gives a shit if you pay for all their expenses. They are not going to travel across the world only to play for 30 minutes. I think this was a huge factor in why they chose not to participate.


This ^

For 2-3 months, the Koreans had to wake up at ungodly hours every week, play with lag disadvantage, then players like Boxer had to travel half way across the globe... all this to play two freakin games? And you're telling them that their full travel cost wont be covered?

No wonder players like Boxer is withdrew...



I hate to say it but I have to agree with both these posters. Prob won't watch NASL unless a friend pays for it.......
En Taro Adun, Executor!
netsky4
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria511 Posts
August 12 2011 00:05 GMT
#491
Who would stand up in the morning to play games cross-server for 2 months, has a minor chance to get to the finals and their price money gets even subtracted ?

Tbh a fair and understanding move by the Koreans
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:07:38
August 12 2011 00:05 GMT
#492
On August 12 2011 09:02 ravenKRaz wrote:
Man this sucks.... really unfortunate for the NASL. The koreans were way too greedy.


Don't say "The Koreans". This is probably due to bigwigs at SC2Con and the GSL-MLG partnership feeling threatened from the NASL and its deep pockets for prize money.


Question for NASL, will ZeNeX or NShoseo be able to participate? I feel as if both of those teams have more talented players then any of the teams listed here anyway....
Soulish
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:05:50
August 12 2011 00:05 GMT
#493
On August 12 2011 09:03 hdan wrote:
I think its kinda funny that the community is split on this but everyone thinks that MLGs prize money is fine, when some people are saying there should be a minimum $2-5k payout for NASL Top16. Ridiculous.

MLG lasts for 3 days, nasl lasts for 2 months. And MLG is going to raise the prizepool soon anyways.
me all in, he drone drone drone, me win
Orracle
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States314 Posts
August 12 2011 00:05 GMT
#494
I see where they're coming from by withdrawing. They're taking off multiple days of practice to fly to the states with low odds of really winning any large amount. It's mentally and physically draining as well.

I'm happy to see the NASL actually offering to work with them to make it more affordable, but in all honesty, it really doesn't seem to be either sides fault.
Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
August 12 2011 00:05 GMT
#495
Clearly, this isn't about the travel expenses, but the Koreans are putting the foot down to get a better deal in the future. Another possibility is that they want to see NASL hurt, so that they get a better bargaining position with MLG.

With the very late announcement, it does seem like they were looking to hurt NASL in this case.. or perhaps get a cash bonus to the SC2con officials, and not just the players.
Dali.
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand689 Posts
August 12 2011 00:05 GMT
#496
On August 12 2011 09:02 ShootingStars wrote:
There does 90% of the NASL viewers...


If 90% of viewers watch simply to spot a 'mythical' Korean then they're fools.

The game > the player.
Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
August 12 2011 00:05 GMT
#497
Riddle me this batman, why do Koreans think it is worth their time and effort to send players on their own funds to MLG in the open bracket, when the prize pool is significantly smaller than NASL?

This issue is much deeper than just money I think.
I am down but I am far from over
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
August 12 2011 00:05 GMT
#498
On August 12 2011 09:03 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:17 storm44 wrote:
How about you change your fuckin terrible format. One series and you get knocked out? Who gives a shit if you pay for all their expenses. They are not going to travel across the world only to play for 30 minutes. I think this was a huge factor in why they chose not to participate.


This ^

For 2-3 months, the Koreans had to wake up at ungodly hours every week, play with lag disadvantage, then players like Boxer had to travel half way across the globe... all this to play two freakin games? And you're telling them that their full travel cost wont be covered?

No wonder players like Boxer is withdrew...


^ i was just saying that...

change the format, it's bad.
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
August 12 2011 00:05 GMT
#499
On August 12 2011 09:00 NASL.tv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:57 Kraznaya wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:56 NASL.tv wrote:
We have absolutely no problem if the Koreans think the NASL is not worth their time // investment. Our only issue is the fact that they all: a) knew the contents of the contract, b) deliberately signed up players to qualify for the league, c) made demands, and d) waited until we already started the season to tell us that our offers to them were not acceptable.


So are you going to address whether the security deposit was the true issue?


We have already begun paying back all security deposits of players who are no longer in Season 2. Our contract states that all prizes will be paid within 60 days of the end of Season 1. We are still within that time frame, and will be paying all prizes within that period!

Artosis, HuK (who paid Boxer's deposit for S1), WeMadeFox, etc could all attest to the fact that we have and will pay our deposits back.


That's not what I'm asking.

I'm asking: do Korean teams simply not have the cash to pay their new security deposits? Because considering the $2000 you're offering for travel costs, it seems like that is the true hang up to their participation. In that case I believe an exception should be made for the Koreans and their security deposits, since they had an exemplary record of playing all games on time in Season 1.
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
EightyFive
Profile Joined May 2011
58 Posts
August 12 2011 00:05 GMT
#500
The format was bad, but putting the blame in this scenarion on NASL goes beyond me.
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