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On August 12 2011 08:56 NASL.tv wrote:
We have absolutely no problem if the Koreans think the NASL is not worth their time // investment. Our only issue is the fact that they all: a) knew the contents of the contract, b) deliberately signed up players to qualify for the league, c) made demands, and d) waited until we already started the season to tell us that our offers to them were not acceptable.
i agree it is completely unprofessional
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I don't know, pretty much every drama story in the past month has had follow-up drama story from the other side, and every time the community bandwagons toward the side that made the latest announcement.
I'd wait.
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I feel that NASL just took a big hit. I do not care where a player comes from: I want to see the highest quality matches played by the best players in the world.
When I first saw the "invasion" of Koreans TEAMS into NASL I was excited: only a limited amount of foreign players participate in the GSL, and MLG are on a invitation basis. NASL had the potential to be the first true global league.
I suspect Mr.Chae is representing SC2Con because the head recently resigned from the TSL incident. Also Mr.Chae likely has the appropriate experiences and channels to communicate with foreign organizations.
I also believe that a $1k travel expense is very generous (its not $2k: half of it is technically the prize money). It can be treated as a free trip to the states.
SC2Con is starting to shape up like another ugly side of Kespa. I believe it should be left up to the individual teams to decide whether or not it is worth it to send players/allow their team to participate in foreign tournaments. Afterall, different teams have different sponsorships (ie: FXOkr likely have enough $ to sponsor the team), some teams may consider it as training or even a way to raise moral within the team. Foreign tournaments also give players more experience in playing under pressure on the big stage!
I hope the decision is not final and NASL do not just give up on the koreans (rmb: it is your chance to form a truly global league!): maybe the foreign fans can convince SC2Con members to reconsider the decision.
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This just makes me very worried about the entire sc2 scene in South Korea. Teams can't afford to send their players when they are getting a minimum of $2,000?
I can't see players of these teams being happy about this decision. Sure the big name players don't have much to worry about, because they will be sent to MLG and DH still. But what about the other guys? There are a lot of great sc2 players in Korea that will just be trapped there, only competing in GSL as there is nothing else.
I see a lot of players being unhappy with their situation in Korea and expect them to join foreign teams because they just have so much more of an opportunity.
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Wow wat a lame decision. I bet most of the players are angry too. This is bad for esports.
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On August 12 2011 08:56 NASL.tv wrote:
We have absolutely no problem if the Koreans think the NASL is not worth their time // investment. Our only issue is the fact that they all: a) knew the contents of the contract, b) deliberately signed up players to qualify for the league, c) made demands, and d) waited until we already started the season to tell us that our offers to them were not acceptable.
Well said.
Korean teams have expected special treatment in the past with the "lack of sponsors" as their excuse from other organizations. I'm not surprised it has happened again. They tried to force you to abide to their will in an incredibly underhanded and insulting way.
It might lose you some viewers, but the prize pool will make sure the foreign scene keeps watching. I feel you made the good decision by not agreeing to their demands.
To be honest, I felt there were going to be too many koreans this season (considering the lag problems in many games last season).
I'm not the biggest NASL fan but I'm behind them for this one.
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I like how Sc2con basically wants everything for Free while EVERY OTHER team pays for there players to travel to Korea, Europe and other places to compete and we dont hear the foreigners crying about it.
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Tyler please say, "Yes, I will play, so chill, if you can chill." because I want to see your Phoenix domination!!!!
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On August 12 2011 08:58 fellcrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 08:55 Myles wrote:On August 12 2011 08:54 fellcrow wrote:On August 12 2011 08:52 OldManZerg wrote:On August 12 2011 08:50 fellcrow wrote:On August 12 2011 08:48 OldManZerg wrote:
I think a lot of people are missing that they agreed to NASL's terms up front, and then asked for changes to them at the last minute.
Any discussion about how good those initial terms were seems beside the point to me. If they had signed a normal business contract, NASL would be well within their rights to sue the pants off these guys.
Could you imagine what would happen if the NFL players union got together and suddenly said "we're not playing unless you do X. We don't care what we already agreed to."
Can someone from NASL answer this? The contract part is what I wanna know. Enforce the damn contract. From a business perspective, I would try to make them hold their end of the bargain. It is only fair... and the law? I doubt it was anything enforceable like this, it being across two countries makes it even more complicated, but I was just trying to illustrate the spirit of what they did. Still. . . I would also be curious as to the nature of these contracts / agreements. Why in the FUCK are you signing a contract in the first place if it isn't enforceable. That negates the entire point of a contract... If it is actually a contract, SUE THEM! What would be the point or the gain? It'd cause a huge shitstorm for nothing. yeah, you're right. Suing over a legal issue that costs an organization money isn't something said corporation should worry about..Honestly, it probably isn't worth the man hours and money to put in to sue them for what money could potentially be lost because of this. But I hope for the future when making deals with whatever association. People start making contracts that are enforceable or at least with withdrawal clauses or unfullfillment clauses that make the breaching party pay some sort of amount of money.
I didn't say that.
You're second part is exactly what I meant. Proving a damage amount in a case like this would be very difficult and the cost makes it even more foolish. If there was some kind of specific penalty in the contract that could be pointed to then this would be a walk in the park, but considering how everything has been handled I don't think that was the case.
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There does 90% of the NASL viewers...
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Why do people bring up MLG? That's a partnership in which the travel expenses are paid for. Teams don't really have a bunch of money, you can't expect them to constantly have a ton of money to like be able to go to every huge foreigner event.
This is the right move by the Koreans tbh. They should put themselves first. Why should they spend over $2000 when they really can't afford to and it would jeopardize the team?
I mean it's sad for the NASL, but hell we're not missing the Koreans. We see them at MLG and GSL all the time. So it's not that bad.
Also we can see foreigners shine for once. So I'm actually okay with this.
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we should wait until we hear something from the korean side
blind hate will do no good this happened in the TSL thread too
bashed the hell out of tsl's coach with only sc2con's side of the story
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Man this sucks.... really unfortunate for the NASL. The koreans were way too greedy.
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On August 12 2011 08:57 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 08:56 NASL.tv wrote:
We have absolutely no problem if the Koreans think the NASL is not worth their time // investment. Our only issue is the fact that they all: a) knew the contents of the contract, b) deliberately signed up players to qualify for the league, c) made demands, and d) waited until we already started the season to tell us that our offers to them were not acceptable. So are you going to address whether the security deposit was the true issue?
I don't think they know. It probably was, but it sounds like the Korean teams refused to talk to NASL and expected their demands to be met, so never bothered to say what the real problem was.
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On August 12 2011 09:02 ShootingStars wrote:
There does 90% of the NASL viewers...
I bet not.
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if mc wasn't allowed to play it would only show that SC2CON is as bad as KESPA....
Somehow korean sc2 esports seems very unhealthy to me.. i don't think we will see many korean players competing outside of korea if the korean teams don't acquire foreign sponsors or the events pay for their travel 100%
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Kennigit
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On August 12 2011 09:02 ShootingStars wrote:
There does 90% of the NASL viewers...
Wanna bet?
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On August 12 2011 08:58 Lokj wrote:
Sue them for real? What good would that do for the SC2 eSport stream or the NASL?
If a suit could be brought(signed contracts), I don't see how it would hurt SC2, if anything it would bring another level of professionalism(albeit with a bad taste in the mouth). NASL is a company and this will lose them money, recouping that money makes sense. Then as long as they still accept anyone and don't discriminate for other seasons it would be fine imo. NASL could not get any money from the suit though(the teams are poor), so it might be more cost-effective to not worry about legal issues, but I know nothing about NASL's situation or how a suit would really work.
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Besides a few fan favorites like MC, I won't miss too many Koreans. I already got GSL to watch, and I kind of like the idea of the "final boss" in some Koreans, not just straight up Korean dominance.
For those complaining about the quality of the players, it should still have gone up considerably, with several of the weaker ones weeded out, unless they are invited back due to all of the open space.
I wonder if there will be another qualifier or what. There's so many player spots to fill and the 9 week regular season schedule. Maybe NASL will just go ahead and have less content? That sounds like a really bad idea but it's coming so soon. Can numerous NASL dropouts or other players potentially qualifying for NASL through a last-minute qualifier change their life schedules on such short notice? We'll see, I guess. I doubt NASL has all those answers today. If they did it would be pretty astounding.
Before condemning SC2con or whatever, I think we've learned we should hold off judgment.
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that's so stupid... Mr. Chae has done nothing but hurt the foreign scene in my opinion... between his posts about foreign teams being scared to go to GSL to now this... $2000 per person was more than enough per person considering it's 4 times the original offer... well this sucks still going to watch the NASL should still be extremely cool
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Edit: my apologies that was an over generalization but this still sucks a lot... NASL won't lose a LARGE portion of viewers but i think a couple hundred were lost
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