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SweetNJoshSauce
Profile Joined July 2010
United States468 Posts
August 11 2011 23:57 GMT
#421
This is to bad. I'll probably even barely follow the NASL this season now
Soulish
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1403 Posts
August 11 2011 23:57 GMT
#422
Beginning of the end for nasl. Can't say I'll miss them.
me all in, he drone drone drone, me win
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
August 11 2011 23:57 GMT
#423
SC2CON ftw...........................
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Heraklitus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States553 Posts
August 11 2011 23:57 GMT
#424
On August 12 2011 08:56 NASL.tv wrote:
We have absolutely no problem if the Koreans think the NASL is not worth their time // investment. Our only issue is the fact that they all: a) knew the contents of the contract, b) deliberately signed up players to qualify for the league, c) made demands, and d) waited until we already started the season to tell us that our offers to them were not acceptable.


And that's why this whole thing just seems like extortion to me. They were banking that you guys would think that you "needed" them and thus would agree to anything.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
August 11 2011 23:57 GMT
#425
At least now it will be an actual foreigner high-prize league instead of another "korean subsidy plz take our money" league.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
August 11 2011 23:57 GMT
#426
Take note EG Masters cup, this is how you announce when there is a disagreement between two teams. You present both sides as much as possible. <3 NASL
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Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
August 11 2011 23:57 GMT
#427
On August 12 2011 08:56 NASL.tv wrote:
We have absolutely no problem if the Koreans think the NASL is not worth their time // investment. Our only issue is the fact that they all: a) knew the contents of the contract, b) deliberately signed up players to qualify for the league, c) made demands, and d) waited until we already started the season to tell us that our offers to them were not acceptable.


So are you going to address whether the security deposit was the true issue?
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
August 11 2011 23:57 GMT
#428
On August 12 2011 08:54 Alexl wrote:
Am I the only one thinking the "reove the security deposit" part was because koreans decided they would screw teh viewers and pretty much stop playing their matchs when they wanted to? (when they were sure to qualify for example)


All of the koreans played out their matches in s1. Even those that had no shot at qualifying. While the current SC2Con decision might be terrible, the korean players have proven themselves to be actually professional time and time again.

All I'm saying is that whatever the implications of this decision are, they shouldn't reflect on the players themselves. Bitch at Sc2con all you want, bitch at managers all you want, but there's no reason to assume the koreans would stop caring at a certain point. Throughout NASL s1 they have shown more dedication then many a foreigner.
Vinski
Profile Joined November 2010
505 Posts
August 11 2011 23:57 GMT
#429
On August 12 2011 08:55 Vinski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:51 b0lt wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:06 NASL.tv wrote:
In preparation for Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties].

In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league.

We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation.

We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal. We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.


?
The Korean teams made demands and threatened to withdraw some time before season 2 and NASL did not satisfy the demands. How is that them waiting until the last hour to make demands and withdraw?


His post was a timeline. Read.



On August 12 2011 08:55 Keone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:18 MorNin wrote:
So the west is supposed to bend over to Koreans??? wtf is this....

Comments like this sicken me. Feel like this deserves a warning. "west" bending over to "Koreans"... yeah be more racist, won't you.

Idk man I'm kind of getting the same feeling. This is E-Sports a majority of the north american masters players have to travel to each MLG with their own money. I think just because your a top tier player doesn't mean you shouldn't attempt to pay from your own pocket to get into an event. :/
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Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
August 11 2011 23:58 GMT
#430
kinda shitty style from the Koreans, never the less, I'm not going to watch the NASL this time either.
My penis is 15 inches long, I'm a Harvard professor and look better than Brad Pitt and Jake Gyllenhaal combined.
truemafia
Profile Joined November 2008
Korea (South)168 Posts
August 11 2011 23:58 GMT
#431
I'm just gonna be honest here, no more advertisements that says 50 of the world's best players anymore... LOL
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
August 11 2011 23:58 GMT
#432
On August 12 2011 08:56 NASL.tv wrote:
We have absolutely no problem if the Koreans think the NASL is not worth their time // investment. Our only issue is the fact that they all: a) knew the contents of the contract, b) deliberately signed up players to qualify for the league, c) made demands, and d) waited until we already started the season to tell us that our offers to them were not acceptable.


GSL/sc2con is just trying to sabotage competition, pretty clear
fellcrow
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States288 Posts
August 11 2011 23:58 GMT
#433
On August 12 2011 08:55 Myles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:54 fellcrow wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:52 OldManZerg wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:50 fellcrow wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:48 OldManZerg wrote:
I think a lot of people are missing that they agreed to NASL's terms up front, and then asked for changes to them at the last minute.

Any discussion about how good those initial terms were seems beside the point to me. If they had signed a normal business contract, NASL would be well within their rights to sue the pants off these guys.

Could you imagine what would happen if the NFL players union got together and suddenly said "we're not playing unless you do X. We don't care what we already agreed to."

Can someone from NASL answer this? The contract part is what I wanna know. Enforce the damn contract. From a business perspective, I would try to make them hold their end of the bargain. It is only fair... and the law?


I doubt it was anything enforceable like this, it being across two countries makes it even more complicated, but I was just trying to illustrate the spirit of what they did.

Still. . . I would also be curious as to the nature of these contracts / agreements.

Why in the FUCK are you signing a contract in the first place if it isn't enforceable. That negates the entire point of a contract... If it is actually a contract, SUE THEM!


What would be the point or the gain? It'd cause a huge shitstorm for nothing.


yeah, you're right. Suing over a legal issue that costs an organization money isn't something said corporation should worry about..

Honestly, it probably isn't worth the man hours and money to put in to sue them for what money could potentially be lost because of this. But I hope for the future when making deals with whatever association. People start making contracts that are enforceable or at least with withdrawal clauses or unfullfillment clauses that make the breaching party pay some sort of amount of money.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
VenerableSpace
Profile Joined May 2010
United States463 Posts
August 11 2011 23:58 GMT
#434
dont see how NASL will recover from this.
bri9and
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States246 Posts
August 11 2011 23:58 GMT
#435
its not like the koreans did well in NASL season 1..

oh wait..
I don't have time to play with myself
Garfunko
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada121 Posts
August 11 2011 23:58 GMT
#436
wow greedy much. Jesus. I know they have the talent, but the NASL was offering so much...
ishboh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States954 Posts
August 11 2011 23:58 GMT
#437
well if the situation is as it sounds in this post...then obviously NASL did a lot to try and accommodate the players. i dunno what the hell the koreans problems are...it seems like they are just being picky.
Azureflames
Profile Joined August 2010
United States35 Posts
August 11 2011 23:58 GMT
#438
Seeing tons of the same questions/comments being made when responses to them were given in the first 10 pages of the thread. People need to read the thread. Or maybe edit some of the answers into the original post.

Given what NASL has posted about previous travel expenses $2000 seems more than fair.
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
August 11 2011 23:58 GMT
#439
On August 12 2011 08:57 Vinski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:55 Vinski wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:51 b0lt wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:06 NASL.tv wrote:
In preparation for Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties].

In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league.

We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation.

We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal. We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.


?
The Korean teams made demands and threatened to withdraw some time before season 2 and NASL did not satisfy the demands. How is that them waiting until the last hour to make demands and withdraw?


His post was a timeline. Read.



Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:55 Keone wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:18 MorNin wrote:
So the west is supposed to bend over to Koreans??? wtf is this....

Comments like this sicken me. Feel like this deserves a warning. "west" bending over to "Koreans"... yeah be more racist, won't you.

Idk man I'm kind of getting the same feeling. This is E-Sports a majority of the north american masters players have to travel to each MLG with their own money. I think just because your a top tier player doesn't mean you shouldn't attempt to pay from your own pocket to get into an event. :/


Being a top tier player means you are giving the league more viewers and exposure. Most leagues would be glad to pay and have top tier players (Koreans or non)
Lokj
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 23:59:28
August 11 2011 23:58 GMT
#440
Sue them for real? What good would that do for SC2 eSport or the NASL?
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