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Bart
Profile Joined November 2010
494 Posts
August 11 2011 23:55 GMT
#401
now we wait for Milkies to translate the response from the SC2 committee?
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Galleon.frigate
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada721 Posts
August 11 2011 23:55 GMT
#402
On August 12 2011 08:53 OnFiRe888 wrote:
wait a minute boxer is part of slayers and not apart of sc2con, what's gonna happen with him?

he already said no
RainFall
Profile Joined July 2010
United States24 Posts
August 11 2011 23:55 GMT
#403
On August 12 2011 08:51 GetToDaChopa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:26 Waxangel wrote:
Why is Mr.Chae the SC2Con's mouthpiece here o_O?

I think GomTV has a seat there as an advisory role, but I thought sc2con would take care of something this big by themselves =o

I find it unsettling too that he's speaking for all of these teams. Can't they speak for themselves individually?


It's called a collective bargaining agreement. Why do you hate workers so much?
Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
August 11 2011 23:55 GMT
#404
That's messed up. It's not like NASL didn't try to have them. The Koreans for whatever hidden reason decided to not come..

I am still going to support NASL because they tried their hardest to get what the fans wanted clearly in this thread. Paying for travel for players is almost unheard of in competitions that aren't super large.

Props to NASL for actually trying. Ohwell, LIQUIDHERO FIGHTING!
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
August 11 2011 23:55 GMT
#405
Ok so does players from EU were treated the same way? Bought them ticket, booked room, etc.. I mean come on they should be all equally treated right?
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
August 11 2011 23:55 GMT
#406
On August 12 2011 08:18 MorNin wrote:
So the west is supposed to bend over to Koreans??? wtf is this....

Comments like this sicken me. Feel like this deserves a warning. "west" bending over to "Koreans"... yeah be more racist, won't you.
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Vinski
Profile Joined November 2010
505 Posts
August 11 2011 23:55 GMT
#407
On August 12 2011 08:51 b0lt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:06 NASL.tv wrote:
In preparation for Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties].

In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league.

We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation.

We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal. We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.


?
The Korean teams made demands and threatened to withdraw some time before season 2 and NASL did not satisfy the demands. How is that them waiting until the last hour to make demands and withdraw?


His post was a timeline. Read.
"Sound is in a bad marriage, instead of divorcing her and keeping half your shit, he just committed suicide"
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
August 11 2011 23:55 GMT
#408
On August 12 2011 08:54 fellcrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:52 OldManZerg wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:50 fellcrow wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:48 OldManZerg wrote:
I think a lot of people are missing that they agreed to NASL's terms up front, and then asked for changes to them at the last minute.

Any discussion about how good those initial terms were seems beside the point to me. If they had signed a normal business contract, NASL would be well within their rights to sue the pants off these guys.

Could you imagine what would happen if the NFL players union got together and suddenly said "we're not playing unless you do X. We don't care what we already agreed to."

Can someone from NASL answer this? The contract part is what I wanna know. Enforce the damn contract. From a business perspective, I would try to make them hold their end of the bargain. It is only fair... and the law?


I doubt it was anything enforceable like this, it being across two countries makes it even more complicated, but I was just trying to illustrate the spirit of what they did.

Still. . . I would also be curious as to the nature of these contracts / agreements.

Why in the FUCK are you signing a contract in the first place if it isn't enforceable. That negates the entire point of a contract... If it is actually a contract, SUE THEM!


What would be the point or the gain? It'd cause a huge shitstorm for nothing.
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unnar
Profile Joined April 2011
Iceland211 Posts
August 11 2011 23:55 GMT
#409
This is the worcks of sc2 con
ChefTony
Profile Joined March 2011
United States68 Posts
August 11 2011 23:55 GMT
#410
On August 12 2011 08:53 OnFiRe888 wrote:
wait a minute boxer is part of slayers and not apart of sc2con, what's gonna happen with him?


Boxer withdrew
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
August 11 2011 23:55 GMT
#411
Honestly this is ridiculous.

I'm actually pretty pissed off at SC2Con.

And what the hell Mr. Chae. You're supposed to be our baller friend?
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
August 11 2011 23:56 GMT
#412
On August 12 2011 08:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Well, looks like it is time to invite dimaga and naniwa to NASL :D

Naniwa was invited for season 2 but declined it. He also spoke on TL that he didn't really like the NASL so I doubt it...
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
August 11 2011 23:56 GMT
#413
On August 12 2011 08:53 StUfF wrote:
The $2000 isn't a full stipend.

It's $1000 dollar minimum prize money and a $1000 dollar stipend.

Assuming you bomb out in a single elimination bracket in the first round, they just put in 9+ worth of Bo3s at uncomfortable times and a trip to US pretty much nothing. Also player prizemoney does not go towards teams, so teams will still be paying out of pocket for travel/accomodation still.

I don't think it's unreasonable to increase to supply travel/accomodation for all players when they've provided games for NASL for the whole league portion of the system.


its once a week, dont make it sound like they have to wake up at 4am everyday of the week.

and having to work for be at the finals? damn, that's so unfair, what a cruel world
Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
August 11 2011 23:56 GMT
#414
I hope NASL fills those spots with players that actually deserve them. I mean no offense to Artosis or Catz or qxc but I highly doubt they would've made it to NASL season 1 if they had to perform well in/won a tournament for their spot.
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
699 Posts
August 11 2011 23:56 GMT
#415
We have absolutely no problem if the Koreans think the NASL is not worth their time // investment. Our only issue is the fact that they all: a) knew the contents of the contract, b) deliberately signed up players to qualify for the league, c) made demands, and d) waited until we already started the season to tell us that our offers to them were not acceptable.
Mairu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States222 Posts
August 11 2011 23:56 GMT
#416
On August 12 2011 08:55 RainFall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:51 GetToDaChopa wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:26 Waxangel wrote:
Why is Mr.Chae the SC2Con's mouthpiece here o_O?

I think GomTV has a seat there as an advisory role, but I thought sc2con would take care of something this big by themselves =o

I find it unsettling too that he's speaking for all of these teams. Can't they speak for themselves individually?


It's called a collective bargaining agreement. Why do you hate workers so much?

It's unsettling because he's also a representative of GomTV. I don't think people would care if one of the Korean team coaches was representing SC2Con.
GTxCiviL
Profile Joined February 2011
United States83 Posts
August 11 2011 23:56 GMT
#417
That's pretty ridiculous. A $2,000 travel stipend is more than fair to play - especially compounded with the chance to win $40,000....
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
August 11 2011 23:56 GMT
#418
Still not getting the "if no Korean me no buy pass."

With that money you could just watch GSL if you wanted to watch Koreans so badly and had money to spend.

It's just unfortunate. The same barriers that block non-Koreans from entering GSL are the same for Koreans entering foreign tournaments. People just never take into account the logistics before complaining. Holding an international event is harder than it looks.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
rave[wcr]
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1166 Posts
August 11 2011 23:56 GMT
#419
will season 2 have the open bracket again? are the koreans gonna be absent from that as well?
Mairu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States222 Posts
August 11 2011 23:57 GMT
#420
On August 12 2011 08:56 NASL.tv wrote:
We have absolutely no problem if the Koreans think the NASL is not worth their time // investment. Our only issue is the fact that they all: a) knew the contents of the contract, b) deliberately signed up players to qualify for the league, c) made demands, and d) waited until we already started the season to tell us that our offers to them were not acceptable.

I have been pretty critical of NASL, but these are all reasonable expectations. It is unfortunate what happened with the Korean teams but I look forward to a statement from SC2Con :/
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