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Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
August 12 2011 00:15 GMT
#561
If Korean Teams want to participate in the international scene they'll need to get those travel funds themselves. I think it's unfair to demand full restitution from a tournament organizer for every player in a team. As a fan I will happily pay to see the BIG Korean names (BoxeR, MC, Nestea,..), just as I would pay to see the best of the foreign scene (IdrA, Ret, NaNiWa,..) compete, but for an up-and-coming Korean or foreigner, No. I tune into a tournament to see the BIG GUNS competing. That is what I'm paying for,

I think we'll see many more Korean players offering their services to foreign teams. They had a taste of the international scene and I think they'll want to be part of it.
Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ"
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
August 12 2011 00:15 GMT
#562
On August 12 2011 09:12 ronpaul012 wrote:
I may get chewed out and laughed at for this, but I'm actually indifferent by this. It is the north american star league after all, and personally I would almost like to see it as only north american players, or all foreign players. To be perfectly honest I'm getting kind of sick just watching koreans absolutely destroy foreigners. Its getting to the point in most tournaments where it's not worth my time to watch before the top 8 because It's just blow-outs. Then in the top 8 its just koreans v koreans. I already have the gsl for that.

When koreans started playing in more tournaments such as the nasl, or the exchange with mlg I was pumped. But now its starting to become lame and I kind of want the older more exciting matches back.


So you like watching inferior play? Color me not surprised at your username....

User was warned for this post
Beakyboo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States485 Posts
August 12 2011 00:15 GMT
#563
It doesn't really surprise me that something like this would happen eventually. Their culture is just so different. Perhaps they don't realize how unprofessional they're being? Their perspective is probably very different.

Still I think people over-exaggerate how bad this is for NASL. They aren't going to lose a ton of viewers or anything. If a large portion of the top talent is gone then I'd personally love it if the remaining few dominate. If nothing else it would prove that SC2's got the skill ceiling to survive in the competitive scene, if anyone's still doubting this.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
August 12 2011 00:15 GMT
#564
On August 12 2011 09:13 Dali. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:08 AnalThermometer wrote:
Amusing how the topic "koreans are killing Esports" or whatever it was got closed, and then this happens. They know the western market is huge and want to milk the cow, and NASL just got cheesed. I'm sure NASL will still get a lot of viewers but it's a pretty big blow, maybe also a bit of a warning to not get too attached to korea. I can see why you only get a few players flying to each event with these high demands.


The farmer can't milk the cow if he doesn't get out of bed.

Koreans brought home $84.5k USD after the last NASL finals, suddenly its not worth their while. Its their loss as much as NASL's.


The player who won most of that money was poached by a foreign team. Sure it's legal and business as usual, but I bet TSL is still bitter about that.
Izaku
Profile Joined June 2011
Korea (South)127 Posts
August 12 2011 00:15 GMT
#565
ugh. this is not good for everyone. real bad.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
August 12 2011 00:16 GMT
#566
Maybe NASL should throw in a new Startale logo into the deal.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:16:39
August 12 2011 00:16 GMT
#567
nevermind
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Double Letters
Profile Joined March 2011
United States58 Posts
August 12 2011 00:16 GMT
#568
On August 12 2011 09:12 TooN wrote:
Hey now all you fans can watch the NASL grand finals with all foreigners.

Isn't that what most people complain about? too many koreans in foreign tournaments.

Its funny, cause now people will say it won't be a big deal winning the NASL cause the lack of skill lol.


Nobody worth listening to has a problem with koreans winning foreign tournaments.
abc
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
August 12 2011 00:16 GMT
#569
On August 12 2011 08:31 sevia wrote:
$1000 for travel and a minimum of $1000 prize, and the Korean teams still decline? I have a feeling that either there's another side to this story, or the teams are declining for reasons other than expense.

I was hoping that NASL would improve each season, but even though this specific factor is out of their control, it's not worth watching for me anymore.


You people realize, $2000 barely covers airplane tickets right? Add in food, hotel, etc, they are definitely paying out of their own pockets.

Now add in the opportunity cost: travel and preparation for this = less time to practice and focus on other tournaments (GSL/GSTL for example)

Try to understand it from the Korean's pov.
ShootingStars
Profile Joined August 2010
1475 Posts
August 12 2011 00:16 GMT
#570
IMO Remove the NASL playoffs how it is even fair a player like Puma who hasn't invested in NASL for 2 months and then WAM a player comes in and sweeps the tourney in 1 day.
Lipski
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland373 Posts
August 12 2011 00:16 GMT
#571
i really think korean players lost more than they gained by this.
don't know about korean teams tho.
"i'll just train hard and win the next one"
Glockateer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States254 Posts
August 12 2011 00:16 GMT
#572
Foreigners should make the most out of it for now. We can still watch our Korean friends in GSL/MLG and have NASL actually be mostly foreigners playing for the prizes. A lot of people said we need our own league to help our infrastructure as pro gamers outside Korea, so why not start here?
GET SM4SHED
Zeddicus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States239 Posts
August 12 2011 00:16 GMT
#573
This feels very kespa dictatorish... How do Koreans expect to be paid to come and take our prize money? If it's pretty much guaranteed that you are going to win 40K, why would you expect to be paid? There are non koreans who know they can't win if Koreans are here that will pay their own money to show up anyways. I am not liking SC2con much right now. I may not be fully informed, and I'm not saying SC2con is terrible and always will be terrible, but right now, I'm not feeling very positive about it.
Yang Wenli
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2283 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:17:54
August 12 2011 00:16 GMT
#574
On August 12 2011 09:14 seansye wrote:
Whats the flight ticket prices from korea to LA? aren't they like $1000-$1500 for economy? + hotel rooms, but imo nasl shouldn't take a period of 3 days. 2 is enough.


1200 average round trip, based on 3 star rooms in Ontario around 100 a night, and for the sake of food costs maybe 30-40 bucks per day. Bear in mind Koreans arrived around 2 days early and the duration of the event meant they might have stayed up to 5 days. So they break even.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
August 12 2011 00:17 GMT
#575
On August 12 2011 09:16 Ansinjunger wrote:
Maybe NASL should throw in a new Startale logo into the deal.


and a bunch of new jeans for tsl
Kevmeister @ Dota2
synkronized
Profile Joined June 2011
United States125 Posts
August 12 2011 00:17 GMT
#576
On August 12 2011 09:12 ronpaul012 wrote:
I may get chewed out and laughed at for this, but I'm actually indifferent by this. It is the north american star league after all, and personally I would almost like to see it as only north american players, or all foreign players. To be perfectly honest I'm getting kind of sick just watching koreans absolutely destroy foreigners. Its getting to the point in most tournaments where it's not worth my time to watch before the top 8 because It's just blow-outs. Then in the top 8 its just koreans v koreans. I already have the gsl for that.

When koreans started playing in more tournaments such as the nasl, or the exchange with mlg I was pumped. But now its starting to become lame and I kind of want the older more exciting matches back.

I don't mind some Koreans participating but I do think NASL will benefit from this decision since it can help in bringing up fresh blood from the NA region.
Ciraxis
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia400 Posts
August 12 2011 00:17 GMT
#577
There are two factors which need to be considered here:
The NASL format is unacceptable for Korean competition, and that the Korean response has been arrogant and unfair. This issue should be seen in light of both facts. Personally however, I think the issue could have been partly resolved by first changing the NASL format for the Grand Final, then working on encouraging Koreans to come.
integrity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1014 Posts
August 12 2011 00:17 GMT
#578
On August 12 2011 09:16 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:31 sevia wrote:
$1000 for travel and a minimum of $1000 prize, and the Korean teams still decline? I have a feeling that either there's another side to this story, or the teams are declining for reasons other than expense.

I was hoping that NASL would improve each season, but even though this specific factor is out of their control, it's not worth watching for me anymore.


You people realize, $2000 barely covers airplane tickets right? Add in food, hotel, etc, they are definitely paying out of their own pockets.

Now add in the opportunity cost: travel and preparation for this = less time to practice and focus on other tournaments (GSL/GSTL for example)

Try to understand it from the Korean's pov.



than don't sign contract to be in the league in the first place.
XnG_777
Profile Joined June 2011
713 Posts
August 12 2011 00:17 GMT
#579
On August 12 2011 09:16 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:31 sevia wrote:
$1000 for travel and a minimum of $1000 prize, and the Korean teams still decline? I have a feeling that either there's another side to this story, or the teams are declining for reasons other than expense.

I was hoping that NASL would improve each season, but even though this specific factor is out of their control, it's not worth watching for me anymore.


You people realize, $2000 barely covers airplane tickets right? Add in food, hotel, etc, they are definitely paying out of their own pockets.

Now add in the opportunity cost: travel and preparation for this = less time to practice and focus on other tournaments (GSL/GSTL for example)

Try to understand it from the Korean's pov.




NASL.tv already explained in another post that it costs less than 2000$ to pay for costs.
Ohmboy
Profile Joined March 2011
United States61 Posts
August 12 2011 00:17 GMT
#580
Well, the Koreans that withdrew will be missed. I was looking forward to some epic games. Hopefully the foreign scene can step it up :D
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