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Pudge_172
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1378 Posts
August 12 2011 00:17 GMT
#581
You have to spend money to make money and obviously the Koreans don't believe in spending money to make money.
Diablo 3 Blog Me & My Mom http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=336890
HaRxTears
Profile Joined January 2011
141 Posts
August 12 2011 00:17 GMT
#582
Get Dimaga Mana Major Kas Nercho stephano qxc and the lovely artosis back and we are ready for season 2.
Silver777
Profile Joined March 2010
United States347 Posts
August 12 2011 00:17 GMT
#583
On August 12 2011 09:16 Fubi wrote:
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On August 12 2011 08:31 sevia wrote:
$1000 for travel and a minimum of $1000 prize, and the Korean teams still decline? I have a feeling that either there's another side to this story, or the teams are declining for reasons other than expense.

I was hoping that NASL would improve each season, but even though this specific factor is out of their control, it's not worth watching for me anymore.


You people realize, $2000 barely covers airplane tickets right? Add in food, hotel, etc, they are definitely paying out of their own pockets.

Now add in the opportunity cost: travel and preparation for this = less time to practice and focus on other tournaments (GSL/GSTL for example)

Try to understand it from the Korean's pov.


Please browse the thread before posting, NASL posted the exact costs already and its under by around $300. So its a 1/16 chance for a ton of money.
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
August 12 2011 00:17 GMT
#584
On August 12 2011 09:16 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:31 sevia wrote:
$1000 for travel and a minimum of $1000 prize, and the Korean teams still decline? I have a feeling that either there's another side to this story, or the teams are declining for reasons other than expense.

I was hoping that NASL would improve each season, but even though this specific factor is out of their control, it's not worth watching for me anymore.


You people realize, $2000 barely covers airplane tickets right? Add in food, hotel, etc, they are definitely paying out of their own pockets.

Now add in the opportunity cost: travel and preparation for this = less time to practice and focus on other tournaments (GSL/GSTL for example)

Try to understand it from the Korean's pov.


This was already covered in this post

On August 12 2011 08:41 Bumblebee wrote:
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On August 12 2011 08:37 cristo1122 wrote:
2000 dollars isnt that big of a travel stipend when u consider that a return ticket can potentially cost twice that as well as accomadaction and the movement of gear for training and so forth, the fact of the mater is that the prize pool isnt large enough for them to come to the tournament if the minium prizing winnings was more like $5000 then u would see more koreans as if they got knocked out early on then there is still a positive economic outcome for them.

What are you talking about? I'm managing Team Liquid and I can tell you that the planetickets cost around 1200 $ for a return ticket. Hotel during the event wouldn't be more than 400$ and then you can eat and drink for less than 50$ a day. What's the problem here? 2000 $ is more than sufficient to cover all costs.


I think the larger point here which may be flying over peoples heads is SC2Con is probably trying to squeeze out NASL.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 12 2011 00:18 GMT
#585
After hearing all this news about SC2con and their exploits, all I can think is..

You were the CHOSEN one! You were supposed to be the good alternative to KeSPA, not become them!

Hopefully, something will be worked out past the last minute, as there are quite a few excellent players withdrawing. Nevertheless, the remaining players in NASL are all still quite good.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
August 12 2011 00:18 GMT
#586
On August 12 2011 09:16 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:31 sevia wrote:
$1000 for travel and a minimum of $1000 prize, and the Korean teams still decline? I have a feeling that either there's another side to this story, or the teams are declining for reasons other than expense.

I was hoping that NASL would improve each season, but even though this specific factor is out of their control, it's not worth watching for me anymore.


You people realize, $2000 barely covers airplane tickets right? Add in food, hotel, etc, they are definitely paying out of their own pockets.

Now add in the opportunity cost: travel and preparation for this = less time to practice and focus on other tournaments (GSL/GSTL for example)

Try to understand it from the Korean's pov.


This has been refuted by both the TL manager and the NASL itself, both of which paid for ticket+expenses for multiple players. Their quotes are in this thread.
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chaopow
Profile Joined March 2011
United States556 Posts
August 12 2011 00:18 GMT
#587
This sucks, with this change, the NASL will no longer be such a prestigious tournaments anymore, as it was in Season 1. The players that made the grand finals in season 1 were some of the best from all around the world, and now with almost no koreans at all, its kind of sad. Its good for foreigners since they have a much bigger chance now, but I still expect players like Sen and Puma to take this tournament.
Soowoo AD.
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
August 12 2011 00:18 GMT
#588
disappointing to say the least. However, i can understand. playing with lag is tough and especially changing your sleep schedule for a couple of months just for a league in a different country.
ShootingStars
Profile Joined August 2010
1475 Posts
August 12 2011 00:19 GMT
#589
On August 12 2011 09:16 Zeddicus wrote:
This feels very kespa dictatorish... How do Koreans expect to be paid to come and take our prize money? If it's pretty much guaranteed that you are going to win 40K, why would you expect to be paid? There are non koreans who know they can't win if Koreans are here that will pay their own money to show up anyways. I am not liking SC2con much right now. I may not be fully informed, and I'm not saying SC2con is terrible and always will be terrible, but right now, I'm not feeling very positive about it.

Well look at this... whos better? Who has the power to say, my scene is far superior to your scene and I have the power to do so. The Koreans. NASL wants them. and they did not give an attractive bait. Simple as that.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
August 12 2011 00:19 GMT
#590
thats ridiculous.. 2k travel expenses is more than enough to send 1 person overseas for a weekend... there has to be more at stake than being stated, why would they refuse this?
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
August 12 2011 00:19 GMT
#591
On August 12 2011 09:12 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
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On August 12 2011 09:10 legaton wrote:
Could people stop comparing SC2con and Kespa, or saying stuff like "Kespa-esque"? Kespa build the strong corporation-based organization of Broodwar? Broodwar teams wouldn't have this problems because they have contracts, salaries, money for trips, huge sponsors, a clear system for professional licenses, rules. Broodwar has everything SC2 needs in Korea. I wish they had a KEspa instead of an amateurish SC2con.

Viva le Kespa!


Yea I prefer smaller paid freedom over a higher paid slave system


Excuse me, but i don't understand your comment. You are from the Iccup server, aren't you? I thought you people knew your broodwar.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 12 2011 00:19 GMT
#592
On August 12 2011 09:16 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:31 sevia wrote:
$1000 for travel and a minimum of $1000 prize, and the Korean teams still decline? I have a feeling that either there's another side to this story, or the teams are declining for reasons other than expense.

I was hoping that NASL would improve each season, but even though this specific factor is out of their control, it's not worth watching for me anymore.


You people realize, $2000 barely covers airplane tickets right? Add in food, hotel, etc, they are definitely paying out of their own pockets.

Now add in the opportunity cost: travel and preparation for this = less time to practice and focus on other tournaments (GSL/GSTL for example)

Try to understand it from the Korean's pov.

maybe you missed NASL's post earlier. They purchased the tickets for season one grand finals for $1,192. It shouldn't cost over $2k for everything else. Teams should have to pay out of pocket for travel expenses. Its a huge reason why players join teams, so they don't pay for it themselves.

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lim1017
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1278 Posts
August 12 2011 00:19 GMT
#593
you guys should have just paid for their trip and then stuck them into a motel for 20$ a night with KFC meals, im sure that would have cost less then 2,000
EtohEtoh
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada669 Posts
August 12 2011 00:19 GMT
#594
bad for the league, good for idra
Koibu0
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States513 Posts
August 12 2011 00:19 GMT
#595
It is unfortunate that this has come to pass. While I would very much like to see more games by the top Koreans, I'm hoping this will give the foreigner scene an opportunity to grow. With Koreans dominating all tournaments they're involved it, an argument could be made that they are slowing the growth to e-sports in the west from what it could be. That's not to say that e-sports is growing slowly in the west, but rather, if foreign player were winning major tournaments left and right, rather than Koreans, that e-sports would be growing even more quickly.

NASL has done a good job of trying to accommodate the Korean teams, but I for one will be looking at this with hopeful eyes. I'm quite eager to see the new roaster :D
spybreak
Profile Joined October 2010
United States684 Posts
August 12 2011 00:19 GMT
#596
On August 12 2011 09:18 eviltomahawk wrote:
After hearing all this news about SC2con and their exploits, all I can think is..

You were the CHOSEN one! You were supposed to be the good alternative to KeSPA, not become them!

Hopefully, something will be worked out past the last minute, as there are quite a few excellent players withdrawing. Nevertheless, the remaining players in NASL are all still quite good.


Love that scene
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
August 12 2011 00:19 GMT
#597
I guarantee you the players will be upset.

MarineKing could've finally won a big tournament, and now he can't even play it.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
August 12 2011 00:19 GMT
#598
On August 12 2011 09:18 eviltomahawk wrote:
After hearing all this news about SC2con and their exploits, all I can think is..

You were the CHOSEN one! You were supposed to be the good alternative to KeSPA, not become them!

Hopefully, something will be worked out past the last minute, as there are quite a few excellent players withdrawing. Nevertheless, the remaining players in NASL are all still quite good.


Haha very good quote
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
August 12 2011 00:20 GMT
#599
On August 12 2011 09:05 NASL.tv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:03 BLCabeldank wrote:
that's so stupid... Mr. Chae has done nothing but hurt the foreign scene in my opinion... between his posts about foreign teams being scared to go to GSL to now this... $2000 per person was more than enough per person considering it's 4 times the original offer... well this sucks still going to watch the NASL should still be extremely cool


This is absolutely false. Mr.Chae works VERY HARD to unite the Korean and foreign scene. I've spoken to him extensively about this issue and others, and I consider him a friend of mine. He has tried to argue our case to the Korean teams. He has been nothing but helpful. Please, show your respect to GOMTV and Mr.Chae, they're truly trying to help make eSports more global! <3 Mr.Chae


Nice defense. Anyway, I think inviting the other top Foreigners like Mana, Dimaga, winners of the Blizzard Invitationals by region, etc. will give more names the opportunity to shine, boost their confidence, etc.

We already have exposure on Korean players from GSL, so having the NASL to give exposure to more Americans is a good thing. MLG Open Brackets are exciting, should have more of that in NASL if possible, so more teams can make a name for themselves.
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:20:53
August 12 2011 00:20 GMT
#600
I think this has something to do with the format/hours of NASL, annnnnnd, anyone remember what EG did at last NASL grand final?



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