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Namu
United States826 Posts
it's quite obvious that late game TvP is at least even, and favors toss on certain maps (like taldarim) the imbalance stemming from TvP seems to be from the 1-1-1 all-in, but how would blizzard fix it, without affecting other scenarios? seems like a game design flaw rather than a balance flaw... TvZ on the other hand seems to be quite pretty well balanced right now, hovering quite close to 50% for two months now | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On August 07 2011 10:41 Namu wrote: the 1-1-1 all-in really screwing protosses over it seems... it's quite obvious that late game TvP is at least even, and favors toss on certain maps (like taldarim) the imbalance stemming from TvP seems to be from the 1-1-1 all-in, but how would blizzard fix it, without affecting other scenarios? seems like a game design flaw rather than a balance flaw... It's actually really easy to fix, and stems from the problem of Terran being far too versatile. There is absolutely no situation where Terran is completely screwed if banshees were removed, whereas any kind of force field nerf would make both Protoss matchups unwinnable. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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akaname
United Kingdom599 Posts
On August 07 2011 10:41 Namu wrote: the 1-1-1 all-in really screwing protosses over it seems... it's quite obvious that late game TvP is at least even, and favors toss on certain maps (like taldarim) the imbalance stemming from TvP seems to be from the 1-1-1 all-in, but how would blizzard fix it, without affecting other scenarios? easy fix. remove terran, insert Orc from War3! | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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akaname
United Kingdom599 Posts
On August 07 2011 10:46 MCDayC wrote: The korean results are skewed by the prevalence of 111 all ins, but still. Right now the metagame is really stacked against Protoss. Time for MC and Naniwa to show how it's done! the problem with the 1-1-1 from what i can tell is, even when (very strong) players know it's coming, they can't defend it. does that sound right? | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On August 07 2011 10:44 iamke55 wrote: It's actually really easy to fix, and stems from the problem of Terran being far too versatile. There is absolutely no situation where Terran is completely screwed if banshees were removed, whereas any kind of force field nerf would make both Protoss matchups unwinnable. lol what? are you suggesting that they remove banshees? also, I don't even understand how you can say removing banshees will not change anything. removing banshees = no need to worry about cloaked units. changes a TON of the game itself and meta game. comparing units one dimensionally (FF/sentry and banshee) like that is quite pointless as well. other than that, what "really easy fix" do you have in mind? | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
I think that is a big game changer. First you had the patch that adjusted their cost, and slowly it started to be incorporated more. Then once it started to get incorporated more it took some time for players to get the EMP and micro down really well and now thats all coming together and really seems to make a big difference in that matchup. I think the same can be said to a lesser extent with the infestor in ZvP and how that unit has brought that matchup more in balance. | ||
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Elasticity
3420 Posts
On August 07 2011 10:46 akaname wrote: easy fix. remove terran, insert Orc from War3! Grubby owns then? Btw this makes me switch to my second race (Terran) :D Cattle Bruisers rush incoming <3 | ||
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kodas
United States418 Posts
On August 07 2011 10:46 MCDayC wrote: The korean results are skewed by the prevalence of 111 all ins, but still. Right now the metagame is really stacked against Protoss. Time for MC and Naniwa to show how it's done! I wouldn't say that, It's just really really skewed because of the 1/1/1 all in, everywhere else(where the 1/1/1 is not that popular, it seems okay.53% isn't that bad | ||
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eXwOn
Canada351 Posts
On August 07 2011 10:44 iamke55 wrote: It's actually really easy to fix, and stems from the problem of Terran being far too versatile. There is absolutely no situation where Terran is completely screwed if banshees were removed, whereas any kind of force field nerf would make both Protoss matchups unwinnable. The same could be said about Dark templars being removed, and stim being nurfed. There's no situation where protoss would be screwed, but both Terran matchups would be unwinnable. It's probably in the game designs best interests for Terran to have a air to ground unit, it would be silly not too. I would say this is just another shift in the metagame. Just look at February, Terran were in the same position as Protoss are right now. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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Xation
Canada147 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 07 2011 10:50 eXwOn wrote: The same could be said about Dark templars being removed, and stim being nurfed. There's no situation where protoss would be screwed, but both Terran matchups would be unwinnable. It's probably in the game designs best interests for Terran to have a air to ground unit, it would be silly not too. I would say this is just another shift in the metagame. Just look at February, Terran were in the same position as Protoss are right now. IIRC soon after that shift in which Terran was in the same position as Protoss is right now, they took out KA. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 07 2011 10:50 eXwOn wrote: The same could be said about Dark templars being removed, and stim being nurfed. There's no situation where protoss would be screwed, but both Terran matchups would be unwinnable. It's probably in the game designs best interests for Terran to have a air to ground unit, it would be silly not too. Removing units at this point in time is completely out of the question. However I wouldn't mind seeing Banshee's get 10(+3 v light) per projectile. Stalkers really should not lose 1v1 against a banshee -_-. | ||
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N1k0
Uruguay1075 Posts
On August 07 2011 09:41 ZappaSC wrote: Wow that looks crazy... what have the terrans learned since last month that i have completly missed? o.O Blue flame is awesome | ||
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Netsky
Australia1155 Posts
On August 07 2011 10:20 EtohEtoh wrote: more terran nerfs incoming?  Can Terran even be nerfed any more? I think they have had more nerfs than Z and P combined. I think it's more a case of P learning to play against new strategies rather than T being "op" or "imba". | ||
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tarath
United States377 Posts
About 80% of low masters terrans do the marine/tank/banshee all in every game and I rarely hold it even when I know its coming. I don't understand why that takes more skill than playing toss or why people feel like toss is such a noob OP race. | ||
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Whiplash
United States2929 Posts
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Astro-Penguin
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