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Mayor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States472 Posts
August 07 2011 02:34 GMT
#101
On August 07 2011 11:32 -_- wrote:
I just hope infestors aren't nerfed. Destiny would lose his mind.

He's not the only one, depending on how they'd nerf infestors, I'd start questioning my faith in Blizzard's balance team more and more.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
August 07 2011 02:36 GMT
#102
Poor protoss
Not surprised honestly, i think toss went something like 10% win rate in up/down matches haha
SooYoung-Noona!
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
August 07 2011 02:43 GMT
#103
glad to know im not the only toss having troubles atm lol
Wfat
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia108 Posts
August 07 2011 02:44 GMT
#104
I play Z and the current stats pretty much reflect how zvt & zvp feel to me. blue flame hellions =
kemsley
Profile Joined October 2010
United Arab Emirates137 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-07 02:49:54
August 07 2011 02:49 GMT
#105
Nerf Mules, Terran should only get them on Thursdays.
Lewan72
Profile Joined April 2011
United States381 Posts
August 07 2011 02:52 GMT
#106
Look at ZvP for Korea, thats some crazy shit XD
MC / Hero / MMA / Bomber / Coca / Suppy
Cellardoor
Profile Joined July 2010
United States71 Posts
August 07 2011 03:03 GMT
#107
It is like the Korean graph is just the international one stretched way out haha... Poor Protoss.
AndreiDaGiant
Profile Joined October 2010
United States394 Posts
August 07 2011 03:04 GMT
#108
pretty interesting data... terrans are doing well but it is intesting that tvp in the foreign scene is quite close and tvz is quite close in korea....also i feel bad for korean protos players :'(
Terran Metal for the Win
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
August 07 2011 03:05 GMT
#109
On August 07 2011 11:49 kemsley wrote:
Nerf Mules, Terran should only get them on Thursdays.

Friday actually, all the SCVs are like:"partying,partying YEAH~!"
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
August 07 2011 03:06 GMT
#110
Aww, poor protoss :c I always knew that terran would be the best, though, since this is the terran 'expansion' after all.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
lizzard_warish
Profile Joined June 2011
589 Posts
August 07 2011 03:06 GMT
#111
On August 07 2011 09:51 zeru wrote:
Looks like the terran buff (new BFH icon) really made the difference.

Also korea has a ton of amazing terrans while they dont have that many good protoss. International graph which has a bigger sample size still looks quite good.
Or the terran players are amazing due to a racial imbalance, and vise versa for the protoss, whereas the balance in the international scene is due to our relative incompetence...

Which of course both our opinions are retardedly unsubstantiated which is why statistics do not matter, analysis from top players do. They can talk about why, or if, the strategy in tvp for example favours terran, not these graphs.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 07 2011 03:10 GMT
#112
On August 07 2011 11:06 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 09:59 Zealot Lord wrote:
On August 07 2011 09:50 OrchidThief wrote:
On August 07 2011 09:41 ZappaSC wrote:
Wow that looks crazy... what have the terrans learned since last month that i have completly missed? o.O


The marine/tank/raven timing attack is really giving protoss some problems at least.


This. The Korea TvP graph shouldn't look this bad if not for protoss players going something like 0-10 in the GSL up & down matches thanks to this all in lol.

Id expect it to look better next month (unless some new allin is discovered), because Ps on ladder seem 10x better at dealing with 1-1-1 builds than they did 2-3 weeks ago.

Obviously this wont show up in statistics until next month, however.


10x better at defending implies that at some point in time it was <10% chance of stopping it, and since nobody has found a solid way to, it probably still works at least 20-30% of the time against practiced opponents =/.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
August 07 2011 03:24 GMT
#113
i like how the winrates changed without any patch changes

that means people are learning and evolving. i dont think there should really be any changes for another month or so because maybe toss and zerg can learn and figure something out that will shift it back to even. give it time, one month isn't enough to start nerfing and buffing things.
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
August 07 2011 03:26 GMT
#114
Which of course both our opinions are retardedly unsubstantiated which is why statistics do not matter, analysis from top players do. They can talk about why, or if, the strategy in tvp for example favours terran, not these graphs.


Yeah cause pros are totally unbiased and always agree with each other, right?
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
August 07 2011 03:30 GMT
#115
They need Zealot to start with charge upgraded speed and I think toss would do decent.
We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
August 07 2011 03:31 GMT
#116
On August 07 2011 11:01 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2011 10:59 Zephirdd wrote:
June: most balanced month ever.

July: most WTF month ever.

No balance patches happened in between.

Awesome.


No balance patches happened, but people figured stuff out.


That's why it is awesome, and it shows how young and how much this game has.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
August 07 2011 03:41 GMT
#117
On August 07 2011 12:24 akalarry wrote:
i like how the winrates changed without any patch changes

that means people are learning and evolving. i dont think there should really be any changes for another month or so because maybe toss and zerg can learn and figure something out that will shift it back to even. give it time, one month isn't enough to start nerfing and buffing things.


I don't really think that's the case. It's more like which Terran strategy is fotm and how Zerg and Protoss blind counters it the next month.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
moltenlead
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada866 Posts
August 07 2011 03:41 GMT
#118
Well, I was expecting the P results. It just seems slightly weak compared to the others, and the stats show that.
FakeDouble
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia676 Posts
August 07 2011 03:44 GMT
#119
So does the international graph include MLG Anaheim which was at the end of July? The tournament where 3 SlayerS terrans, namely MMA, BoxeR and GanZi and of course the champion, MVP completely dominated the tournament?

That could explain the complete and utter TvZ dominance in the international graphs
Formerly known as carbonaceous
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
August 07 2011 03:47 GMT
#120
On August 07 2011 12:44 carbonaceous wrote:
So does the international graph include MLG Anaheim which was at the end of July? The tournament where 3 SlayerS terrans, namely MMA, BoxeR and GanZi and of course the champion, MVP completely dominated the tournament?

That could explain the complete and utter TvZ dominance in the international graphs


Those 4 results don't compare to the thousands of games that are reflected in the graphs. TvZ graph shows 7000+ games. If Boxer MMA GanZi and MVP didn't exist, it wouldn't change the graph by any significant percentage.
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