[July] TLPD Race Winrate Graphs - Page 38

On August 12 2011 07:42 ribboo wrote:

It happens. Players figure out new stuff and all that. Same chart for BW:
http://i.imgur.com/uxz19.png

And I can assure you no patches has had any influence there.

On August 12 2011 10:43 pwadoc wrote:
I don't understand how the problems with terran have escaped blizzard thus far. The sources of imbalance are obvious and numerous. The race has both the best defensive and offensive options at all points during a game. During the early game you not cannot scout a terran (he can scout you easily), he has a wider array of unit choices available, many of which will simply win the game outright. The strength of terran defensive structures, the ability to lift buildings, and the presence of units like siege tanks make counter-attacking mostly ineffective. In the late game, the terran is free to drop and harass an opponents far expansions, while terrans can morph PFs, build a few turrets, and remain essentially invulnerable. This has been the case for months. Many people have pointed out these serious and fundamental flaws in terran design, but blizzard has entirely ignored all of it. They rely on flawed statistical techniques to look for imbalance, all the while ignored the obvious theoretical problems with the race. I don't really see a point to playing this game as long as balance remains such a serious issue.

On August 12 2011 10:48 quiet noise wrote:
to be honest, i think david kim is aware of this but he knows it wont be able to fix the problems you mentioned until HotS/LotV since its going to require new game mechanics and units to fix some of them.

On August 12 2011 10:49 pwadoc wrote:


Then why are we wasting time playing this game? Why should tournaments put up thousands of dollars in prizes? Why should we take SC2 seriously as an e-sport?

On August 12 2011 11:30 Miefer wrote:
It isnt easy to balance the game. the statistic shows only pro games but what about lower level of play? you have to think about that too. and the statistic dont say how many players are playing each race. considering that more people playing terran it is normal that they have more mid to high skilled players. Also if terrans are so dominat then why was the Gsl July RO4 1 taerran 1 protoss and 2 zerg? why did Huk win Dreamhack and Homestory Cup? why Puzzle won Code A? or Nestea Gsl?

On August 12 2011 11:15 quiet noise wrote:


because a huge part of the player pool is still too ignorant/stupid to question the game balance. havent you noticed that analyzing or discussing balance is the biggest taboo in the sc2 community? thats because if you admit that the game is imbalanced, it would be a huge blow to everyone who takes the game super seriously (or makes a living from it, like casters and day 9). noone wants to admit that the game they obsess over is flawed, because that makes them look stupid.

Its like religious people not wanting to question their god or anything written in the bible. You cant remain "faithful" to god once you start to realize that the bible is actually a flawed book of bizarre stories. Same goes for SC2 fans and players, if they admit to themselves that this game is just a flawed, mediocre RTS just like any other, they would feel stupid for dedicating so much time too it. its very human, but also kinda counterproductive.

it would be so much easier if everyone just admitted that even though this game has massive potential to become something amazing, it still has huge flaws and issues and is nowhere BW level of balance and "skill cap".

On August 12 2011 10:43 pwadoc wrote:
I don't understand how the problems with terran have escaped blizzard thus far. The sources of imbalance are obvious and numerous. The race has both the best defensive and offensive options at all points during a game. During the early game you not cannot scout a terran (he can scout you easily), he has a wider array of unit choices available, many of which will simply win the game outright. The strength of terran defensive structures, the ability to lift buildings, and the presence of units like siege tanks make counter-attacking mostly ineffective. In the late game, the terran is free to drop and harass an opponents far expansions, while terrans can morph PFs, build a few turrets, and remain essentially invulnerable. This has been the case for months. Many people have pointed out these serious and fundamental flaws in terran design, but blizzard has entirely ignored all of it. They rely on flawed statistical techniques to look for imbalance, all the while ignored the obvious theoretical problems with the race. I don't really see a point to playing this game as long as balance remains such a serious issue.

On September 03 2011 04:29 rattus22 wrote:
Anyone know when the August winrates will be announced?

On August 12 2011 10:43 pwadoc wrote:
Many people have pointed out these serious and fundamental flaws in terran design, but blizzard has entirely ignored all of it. They rely on flawed statistical techniques to look for imbalance, all the while ignored the obvious theoretical problems with the race.

On September 03 2011 05:48 Empirimancer wrote:


You honestly think theory is worth more than empirical data?

On August 26 2011 04:51 SpiZz wrote:

Wow, pretty good summary. I really hope that HotS will deliver some new units / spells for both protoss and zergs to keep up.