Well, the jump in terran wins is probably directly associated with this new strong breed of terrans from both Korea (Slayers) and Europe (Strelok, Thorzain, BratOK, and others). I love these graphs, good to see.

stlh2opolo

United States189 Posts

August 07 2011 00:53 GMT

#23

On August 07 2011 09:46 isleyofthenorth wrote:
tvz has ALWAYS been in terrans favor lol. you can see that terran is just a more well rounded and well designed race

Im glad you looked at this without bias.

3% is definately a huge difference in winrate '-_-

I don't know why people see a 5% difference in win rate and go z0mg, its always going to be like that. The times you need to pay attention are when it starts going beyond 10%, like the TvZ in korea from a few months ago, LOL.

Belha

Italy2850 Posts

August 07 2011 00:54 GMT

#24

Finally some numbers that express the frustration i feel when i play or even watch a pro PvZ. The match up, al least from the numbers seems kinda bad.

sLBraemar

Canada285 Posts

August 07 2011 00:55 GMT

#25

Protoss isn't OP, In both graphs terran and zerg win more, terran op!!! ~_~

mprs

Canada2933 Posts

August 07 2011 00:55 GMT

#26

On August 07 2011 09:41 ZappaSC wrote:
Wow that looks crazy... what have the terrans learned since last month that i have completly missed? o.O

Pre-flame Igniter icon became blue, finally correlating the upgrade with the OP blue flame hellions. Now, players can easily figure out how to get those sickly strong little buggies without having to spend 20 minutes of in-game time looking for the upgrade.

sickle

New Zealand656 Posts

August 07 2011 00:56 GMT

#27

Protoss is just so overpowered.

Zealot Lord

Hong Kong744 Posts

August 07 2011 00:59 GMT

#28

On August 07 2011 09:50 OrchidThief wrote:

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The marine/tank/raven timing attack is really giving protoss some problems at least.

This. The Korea TvP graph shouldn't look this bad if not for protoss players going something like 0-10 in the GSL up & down matches thanks to this all in lol.

isleyofthenorth

Austria894 Posts

August 07 2011 01:01 GMT

#29

On August 07 2011 09:52 Zealot Lord wrote:

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TLPD, team liquid pro gaming database. All the recorded tournament games.

Well do note that the GSL has much less games every month compared to the whole international scene, so some bad stretches by any race can make the win rates look pretty bad. Though I personally still value the korean graph despite its small sample size because it is undoubtedly the place with the highest level of skill.

yes that means that zergs looks waaaay better than they are because of nestea and losira

TUski

United States1258 Posts

August 07 2011 01:04 GMT

#30

Blue flames is probably the development that caused the spike in TvZ and overall

Edit: Holy crap I'm a hydralisk :O

CeriseCherries

6170 Posts

August 07 2011 01:05 GMT

#31

Wow, if you look at the ZvP trends it bounces back and forth. Its just as the metagame shifts, one side gains ground. With the recent infestor play I'm willing to bet thats what shifted the win rate into zerg favor. Z is closer to T than ever before.

q.q poor toss, 38% winrate vT in Korea, but I guess there's just not that many Korean P

Stress

United States980 Posts

August 07 2011 01:06 GMT

#32

Keep in mind the Protoss in Korea only have a few outstanding players, unlike the other 2 races, and the marine/tank/raven timing is ridiculously good. I also think that the longer games in TvP are decide by good EMPs, wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of change to it.

Carush

United States356 Posts

August 07 2011 01:07 GMT

#33

terrans are on top of the metagame right now
why is it that whenever something is slightly out of the ordinary people immediately pull the imbalance card out...

sheeesh

corpsepose

1678 Posts

August 07 2011 01:08 GMT

#34

korean terrans are pretty good.

awesomoecalypse

United States2235 Posts

August 07 2011 01:08 GMT

#35

yes that means that zergs looks waaaay better than they are because of nestea and losira

They undoubtedly have some influence, but should they somehow be ignored because they're good. Should we ignore MC's results when evaluating Toss?

If a race's best player is capable of dominating the way Nestea does, then thats useful to know for balance purposes, because it means that at the very highest skill level we can at the very least say the race is not UP. Like, towards the end of Savior's peak he was really the only Zerg stomping everybody, but simply because he was kicking everyone's ass, no one would ever try to claim Zerg was UP in any way (until Bisu showed up, but thats a different story).

windsupernova

Mexico5280 Posts

August 07 2011 01:10 GMT

#36

LOL, guys the scale of the graph makes it seem like it bad but not really, not by a lot anyways.

The only troubling one is TvP in Korea, and besides while I say this on every balance thread, this stats are useful tool but its not the Definite proof of anything. Just don´t jump to conclusions so quickly

Dental Floss

United States1015 Posts

August 07 2011 01:10 GMT

#37

I strongly feel that these graphs should have a Y axis that starts with 0. Right now a 5% difference looks HUUUUUGE, but having the full perspective would help people have a good context for how different the balance really is.

edit: an ideal Y-axis would go from 0-100 and have a red line at y=50