money making policy. The games are fucking spectacular! Great! And i bet there are many many more good game replays we can't get.

ToDs anti 4 gate build is beautiful. All the best players in one place. Players play their best - performance and builds. No replays cos MLG managers can now afford not to provide replays to fans. Sad but true. But what can you do. If you dont like the no replays policy dont support them or watch mlg...

2plusthree

Russian Federation43 Posts

July 30 2011 15:44 GMT

#662

just tell us you want more memberships, make the stream not free anymore, or do anything else for profit but don't deny the community of replays.

@MLG_lee, i didn't know you started up gotfrag, that owns :D

AusBox

Australia214 Posts

July 30 2011 15:46 GMT

#663

I read it as "We have realised that replays are losing potential money. No replays for you!"

NoobSkills

United States1595 Posts

July 30 2011 15:55 GMT

#664

On July 31 2011 00:46 AusBox wrote:
I read it as "We have realised that replays are losing potential money. No replays for you!"

Apparently we aren't supporting them enough by watching the same Doritos, Old spice, and whatever razor commercials over and over and over.

Catgrooving

United States12 Posts

July 30 2011 16:15 GMT

#665

If people boycotted buying their pass until they put out the replays maybe we'll get the replays because theyll realize they are losing money by this move. I sure as hell won't be buying anymore passes and I'm sure there are free alternative ways to get the VODs if I looked hard enough.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

July 30 2011 16:17 GMT

#666

On July 31 2011 01:15 Catgrooving wrote:
If people boycotted buying their pass until they put out the replays maybe we'll get the replays because theyll realize they are losing money by this move. I sure as hell won't be buying anymore passes and I'm sure there are free alternative ways to get the VODs if I looked hard enough.

Boycotting is not always the answer.

Gunman_csz

United Arab Emirates492 Posts

July 30 2011 16:20 GMT

#667

On July 30 2011 21:01 BLinD-RawR wrote:

Show nested quote +

you don't need replays,GSL doesn't offer them,are you upset that they don't?

I'll be fine with just VODs.

OH waaait
All the GSL games are casted, and MLG games are not!!!

Not giving replays to the community is freaking annoying. I can understand them not releasing them during the event, but why the hell not after the event - hell release them after a month but atleast give the wider audience chance to watch the games and analyze their favorite players on their own!

This seriously blows...

Telcontar

United Kingdom16710 Posts

July 30 2011 16:23 GMT

#668

I just hope they can do a thorough security check as soon as possible, because I really want to get my hands on dem replays. :D

cdhstarbuck

Austria84 Posts

July 30 2011 16:25 GMT

#669

On July 31 2011 01:17 Torte de Lini wrote:

Show nested quote +

Boycotting is not always the answer.

What do you propose then? Getting to Anaheim and physically forcing the staff to hand over the replays?

rave[wcr]

United States1166 Posts

July 30 2011 16:30 GMT

#670

boycott or pitchforks, man im down with either. as long as i get my immvp replays. how about we just never buy anything from the sponsors? LOL

Catchafire2000

United States227 Posts

July 30 2011 16:31 GMT

#671

Man, this is dumb. I don't want to have to listen to DAY 9's 2 hr long commentary on a 15 minute game... Though he is very excellent at breaking down what he does, it's not practical for when I want to simply look something up... ... ... ...

I'm kinda pissed that I already spent money buying gold membership, because I THOUGHT that I would get the replays.

TerrorLing

2 Posts

July 30 2011 16:46 GMT

#672

I am really sad about this.
We are supporting SC2 by watching the streams and commercials. Many of us are even buying the passes. This event is suppost to be an event for the pros AND for the comunity. Since we are not even able to see many of our favorite players perform on the stage. Not providing the replays means, we will miss the perfromances of many players. This is really sad and watching the VODs a couple of weeks after the event is really not the same feeling.
Especially after so terrible MLGs like Dallas, where we where supporting the event even though they had so many difficulties. This is really a step in the wrong direction. Not even taking into account that for many Europeans, which have to stay up all night and still might miss some of the games, they are not really able to follow such a nice Esports event with the new policy.
I am really sad, but from now on this was my last MLG. Hope they will understand, that improving Esports only works with the fans and community and not without them.

Wasteweiser

Canada522 Posts

July 30 2011 16:53 GMT

#673

I don't get why they wont release replays? Ploy to get people to buy their hd pass? From what i heard their vod system is utter crap, worse then nasl (which i hated). like 90% of the matches aren't broadcasted and i have to wait till people like hdstarcraft/totalbiscut/husky get the replay packs? I don't even listen to most commentary, the only people i can bare is tastosis.

First we accept koreans to our tournements now we secretly adopt their philosphy of no releasing replays?

I would pay 30 bucks for a year worth of replay packs, but vods where you can only see the first minute of the match?(i hope this was fixed and my point isn't valid on vods anymore)

Now the only time i get pro replays will be dreamhack, long live dreamhack!

Jayrod

1820 Posts

July 30 2011 16:57 GMT

#674

This is definitely a big slap in the face right after dangling the prize pool increase over everyones head if they sell 100,000 passes or whatever it was. Honestly, decisions like these and not being able to have my 2 HD streams open makes me want to say fuck a prize pool increase. The games are great, but honestly half of MLG for me has always been studying the replays and analyzing them, then maybe trying some shit out on ladder.

Carl_Sagan

United States226 Posts

July 30 2011 17:03 GMT

#675

Not gonna lie, the one thing I actually looked forward to in particular about MLGs was the replays...

c0se

Germany148 Posts

July 30 2011 17:06 GMT

#676

hope dreamhack and IEM will still release their replays, as a gamer its much more enjoyable to study the games by urself instead of relying on the casters camera movement.

Vul

United States685 Posts

July 30 2011 17:09 GMT

#677

The more that I think about this the more annoying it is. It's not so bad that they're trying to make some money off of their replays.

But nobody likes a liar. Its clear now that the DDoS thing is kind of stupid, now that I looked up what that actually is. They should just be honest that they need to make more money instead of trying to make it seem like they're doing it for security reasons.

Ed: It would still be annoying but at least it wouldn't be insulting lol

bubblegumbo

Taiwan1296 Posts

July 30 2011 17:11 GMT

#678

It's such a huge shame since MLG is where lots of amazing new strats by Koreans are showcased, especially this one with the new ZvT playstyle of Slayers Terrans. DRG replays are also sick of course, and MVP.

xihur

Sweden1 Post

July 30 2011 17:14 GMT

#679

If mlg have any heart they should give replays after tournament is over.

Lexiconman

United States22 Posts

July 30 2011 17:46 GMT

#680

I'm seeing a lack on logical consistency on MLG's part. Lee first says:

On July 30 2011 07:46 MLG_Lee wrote:
EDIT: And yes, I know you can find other ways to get to the same information. But I can't stop those. I can reduce risk on things I can control. Not taking those steps is negligent.

and then:

On July 30 2011 11:41 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, the same players come to all our events. So releasing replays after the event AT THIS POINT, WITHOUT FURTHER TECHNICAL INVESTIGATION, is just moving the risk to the next event.

First, if MLG's legal representation is suggesting that MLG must completely reduce the risk on things within its control, it's time for MLG to fire the TTT lawyers it must have working in house and retain the services of a real law firm.

Second, even IF that were true (which it's not) and MLG won't release them after the event because of fear of pushing the risk to the next event (and presumably fear of liability for its "negligent" actions), then why are the replays from columbus and dallas still online and available? Many of the players in Anaheim (and presumably Raleigh, etc) played in those tournaments, with the same Battle.net account. If they're worried about a theory of liability through negligence, and simply releasing replays establishes said negligence, then all those previous replays, which are still up, are sufficient to prove that negligence.

I'm afraid it looks like the ONLY reason to not release the replays then is for the aforementioned monetization. MLG recognized they had a valuable commodity that they were just giving away and are now seeking to capitalize more fully on that content. To be sure, I have no problem with businesses making these types of decisions, but I also think the market (read community) should show its disapproval, if any. Much like Redbox, after gaining significant market share, raised its $1 price to $2 per DVD, MLG is seeking to increase profits. I only hope that, similar to the market reaction to Redbox's price increase, the SC2 community will vote with its wallet and forego contributing money to MLG until they resume distributing replays for free.