EPTNo replays released from Anaheim - Page 35
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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tl55555
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mlg trying to capitalize on esports and cash in | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
Let's get down to the real and only reason here: You want people to pay for MLG VOD's. | ||
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Gelenn
United States87 Posts
1. If none of us, the community, spammed the players like tools, this would not be a problem. 2. If battle.net had LAN support, this would not be a problem. 3. If battle.net had an adequate setting for blocking spam, this would not be a problem. 4. If blizzard did not make it possible to find character codes from replays, this would not be a problem. MLG understandably wants to do everything it can to avoid any form of internet problems after all the shit we gave them last time. Hell, I bet they would still be releasing the replays even with the possibility of being spammed if everybody didn't jump down their throats last time (that was different internet problems and it was their fault, but it is easy to see how it would make them paranoid about any type of lag). | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On July 31 2011 03:09 Gelenn wrote: It is really difficult to blame MLG for this, at least when you think about it logically. They are not responsible for the conditions that make it necessary to withhold the replays. 1. If none of us, the community, spammed the players like tools, this would not be a problem. 2. If battle.net had LAN support, this would not be a problem. 3. If battle.net had an adequate setting for blocking spam, this would not be a problem. 4. If blizzard did not make it possible to find character codes from replays, this would not be a problem. MLG understandably wants to do everything it can to avoid any form of internet problems after all the shit we gave them last time. Hell, I bet they would still be releasing the replays even with the possibility of being spammed if everybody didn't jump down their throats last time (that was different internet problems and it was their fault, but it is easy to see how it would make them paranoid about any type of lag). Reason 1 and 2 are so fun together. 1. If none of us, the community, pirated the games like tools, this would not be a problem. (LAN) Anyway, you can't give up just because there are problems. If they think it is too troublesome to edit replays for us or ask Blizzard for new accounts every 2 months (new season) then I feel like it is also troublesome to support them just for a couple of vods or HD stream. I wouldn't be pissed if they told us this decision 1 month ago or even 2 weeks ago. But they first sell the tickets then they tell people that now the service is worst than before (replays is more than half this tournament, open bracket is just too huge). | ||
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tl55555
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rave[wcr]
United States1166 Posts
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GWBuffalo
United States234 Posts
On July 31 2011 03:30 tl55555 wrote: i wonder how hard it would be to make a script to go through and replace the player ids with generic tournament ids Easy. But now MLG_Lee is saying that editing replays is a violation of Blizzard's ToS. I think he is referring to 2. E. + Show Spoiler + Modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game in any way not expressly authorized by Blizzard; It's always been seen as perfectly legitimate to strip chat from replays, etc. This is the first time I've ever seen anyone make the case that doing so is a violation of ToS. | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On July 31 2011 03:35 Zergoaster wrote: Easy. But now MLG_Lee is saying that editing replays is a violation of Blizzard's ToS. I think he is referring to 2. E. + Show Spoiler + Modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game in any way not expressly authorized by Blizzard; It's always been seen as perfectly legitimate to strip chat from replays, etc. This is the first time I've ever seen anyone make the case that doing so is a violation of ToS. And I'm guessing you're a lawyer who specializes in matters such as these? If you're not why should your uninformed opinion mean anything w.r.t. appraising the legal validity of MLG_Lee's concerns? | ||
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submit
Brazil71 Posts
I really hope that MLG come back with replays for the next couple of tournaments, cause otherwise I won't have much of a reason to keep following it. Since the sound and quality of the stream are just horrible at anaheim. Anyway, really wish the best of luck to MLG and really believe that they will step back on their decision. | ||
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Lexiconman
United States22 Posts
On July 31 2011 03:40 arbitrageur wrote: And I'm guessing you're a lawyer who specializes in matters such as these? If you're not why should your uninformed opinion mean anything w.r.t. appraising the legal validity of MLG_Lee's concerns? If it helps, I'm a lawyer. I think there's a lot to be said for Zergoaster's arguments (although admittedly I've not researched these types of terms in the appropriate jurisdictions). Even if the ToS did prevent, it would take all of 30 minutes to draft a letter to Blizzard to get approval, and considering the amount of money Blizzard stands to gain from eSports gaining more popularity, I find it unlikely that they would decline to allow an exemption. | ||
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GWBuffalo
United States234 Posts
On July 31 2011 03:40 arbitrageur wrote: And I'm guessing you're a lawyer who specializes in matters such as these? If you're not why should your uninformed opinion mean anything w.r.t. appraising the legal validity of MLG_Lee's concerns? I'm not a lawyer, and do not claim to specialize at all. I'm just bringing up the question, not laying down the law. (Note, I said "I do not think", I did not make absolute statements, since I am not sure at all.) I'm just curious. Which is why I'm going to post the question on the Blizzard forums. | ||
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Gelenn
United States87 Posts
On July 31 2011 03:24 SDream wrote: Reason 1 and 2 are so fun together. 1. If none of us, the community, pirated the games like tools, this would not be a problem. (LAN) Anyway, you can't give up just because there are problems. If they think it is too troublesome to edit replays for us or ask Blizzard for new accounts every 2 months (new season) then I feel like it is also troublesome to support them just for a couple of vods or HD stream. I wouldn't be pissed if they told us this decision 1 month ago or even 2 weeks ago. But they first sell the tickets then they tell people that now the service is worst than before (replays is more than half this tournament, open bracket is just too huge). Haha, yeah, it really does all go back to part of the community being tools. Your second point is also understandable from my point of view (expecting replays as part of the subscription but not receiving them). It really is a shitty situation all around. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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polysciguy
United States488 Posts
semi off topic, won't most of the concerns be fixed if blizzard implements a lan mode? | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On July 31 2011 03:56 Gamegene wrote: Chill's gonna get you for misusing that word.If MLG truly cares about E-Sports they'll release the replays because this is going to delay the metagame if professional players who were not at MLG cannot analyze these replays. | ||
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tl55555
31 Posts
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Archontas
United States319 Posts
On July 31 2011 03:35 Zergoaster wrote: Easy. But now MLG_Lee is saying that editing replays is a violation of Blizzard's ToS. I think he is referring to 2. E. + Show Spoiler + Modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game in any way not expressly authorized by Blizzard; It's always been seen as perfectly legitimate to strip chat from replays, etc. This is the first time I've ever seen anyone make the case that doing so is a violation of ToS. http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html The Game clients and the Service (including without limitation any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialogue, catch phrases, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions, audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, documentation, in-game chat transcripts, character profile information, recordings or replays of Games, and the Game client and server software) are copyrighted works owned by Blizzard and its licensors. Replays are owned by Blizzard, and modifying them is a violation of TOS. MLG_Lee is completely correct. While I absolutely hate throwing the "hurting e-sports" phrase around, Blizzard seriously needs to correct this problem. Tournaments and organizers are being thrown into extremely awkward situations due to lack of LAN support. | ||
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Carny
Croatia284 Posts
On July 31 2011 04:12 tl55555 wrote: does nasl release the replays? No they don't but MLG is taking a service away the gave in the past and they're not adding anything.... | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
My god people DO complain about absolutely everything these days. I could care less whether the replays are released or not cause I don't take this game nearly that serious, and most of you guys shouldn't either. A lot of what I'm seeing here is "OMGWTFBBQ I CAN"T WATCH THE PRO REPLAYS AND COPY ALL THEIR TIMINGS AND BUILDS!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" Just play the game for fun, and learn shit yourself. The games are available in VOD form and live (at least a lot of the really good ones) and don't feel as though you as a random person watching a stream have any entitlement to have ultimate access to every single match played in the convention center. | ||
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