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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:15 Frek wrote: It seems to me that MLG is the one acting like a child, deceiving and outright lying to the community in order to sell replays to casters. Which would benefit them in what sense? | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:15 Frek wrote: It seems to me that MLG is the one acting like a child, deceiving and outright lying to the community in order to sell replays to casters. I agree. I also think that advocating e-terrorism in order to make things "right" sounds like one of the worst ways to right this wrong. If you look at the number and size of my posts in this thread, you will quickly see that I am one of the more angry ones about this. I am not going to buy another MLG stream pass again if this comes to be. I will actively tell all of my sc friends to do the same. I will promote the GSL and NASL as better products as they give you a much broader scope of games because they are over time. The replays of MLG are what made it fun and valuable to me and many others. I still think it is just disgusting to go and use a wrong that not only hurts MLG, but hurts players. | ||
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Jtn
444 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:22 Jtn wrote: I skipped from the first page to this last page and I'm absolutely disgusted by how this thread has become. MLG has done nothing but good for the community and the entire Starcraft scene. Some of you TL-ers honestly have nothing to do other than sit on your computer and complain at every little thing under the veil of anonymity. I'm ashamed to be part of the same community as you guys. On the Internet, everyone is quick to assume the worst from everyone else. It's interesting how forum anonymity reveals your true colors. | ||
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Lexiconman
United States22 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:22 Jtn wrote: I skipped from the first page to this last page and I'm absolutely disgusted by how this thread has become. MLG has done nothing but good for the community and the entire Starcraft scene. Some of you TL-ers honestly have nothing to do other than sit on your computer and complain at every little thing under the veil of anonymity. I'm ashamed to be part of the same community as you guys. thanks for telling us how you feel...based on 2/37 pages of posts. Not a great sample size to make such sweeping accusations, but we'll let it slide. | ||
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Nexic
United States729 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:22 Jtn wrote: Just because they do good things for starcraft 2 does not mean people have to praise their every action. They are not doing it out of the kindness of their heart. They are a business and their primary motive is to make money. We are the customers and they should be interested in our feedback, in this case because they are trying to solve a problem with an ineffective solution, which ultimately punishes the fans.I skipped from the first page to this last page and I'm absolutely disgusted by how this thread has become. MLG has done nothing but good for the community and the entire Starcraft scene. Some of you TL-ers honestly have nothing to do other than sit on your computer and complain at every little thing under the veil of anonymity. I'm ashamed to be part of the same community as you guys. | ||
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Frek
United States65 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:22 Jtn wrote: I skipped from the first page to this last page and I'm absolutely disgusted by how this thread has become. MLG has done nothing but good for the community and the entire Starcraft scene. Some of you TL-ers honestly have nothing to do other than sit on your computer and complain at every little thing under the veil of anonymity. I'm ashamed to be part of the same community as you guys. Complaining about things is how we, the customers, let MLG know that they have done something that we don't like. | ||
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EliteReplay
Dominican Republic913 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:28 Nexic wrote: Just because they do good things for starcraft 2 does not mean people have to praise their every action. They are not doing it out of the kindness of their heart. They are a business and their primary motive is to make money. We are the customers and they should be interested in our feedback, in this case because they are trying to solve a problem with an ineffective solution, which ultimately punishes the fans. totally agree with this statement, they are what they are because of the community. | ||
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:45 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Im sure that if there is any way they can release the replays they will, and im pretty sure that wont happen untill the tourney is finished. Also being angry at them for this is pretty silly, since they cant even say what exactly the issue is. Lee said he could edit the replays and the problem would be solved. So he said there is a solution that we would love, he is just not doing it! because Blizzard could sue them!! (really???) We demand a good excuse/reason or replays, we are not that bad, we give options... | ||
Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:50 SDream wrote: Lee said he could edit the replays and the problem would be solved. So he said there is a solution that we would love, he is just not doing it! because Blizzard could sue them!! (really???) We demand a good excuse/reason or replays, we are not that bad, we give options... This is kinda ridiculous, its not like they're playing with accounts that are only used for MLG games, people are playing on their personal accounts, any info that can be phished from MLG replays is also widely available for 90%+ of players... | ||
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Exstasy
United Kingdom393 Posts
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Catchafire2000
United States227 Posts
Fine, if they want to be like GSL and not distribute replays ok. But provide better streams or vods to the fans. GOMTV has excellent VOD quality. And I already payed for a gold membership which is useless. THAT'S WHAT I'M PISSED ABOUT! | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:15 Frek wrote: It seems to me that MLG is the one acting like a child, deceiving and outright lying to the community in order to sell replays to casters. Do you have any evidence what-so-ever that this is the case at all? It would certainly be the first time I've ever heard of replays being sold to a caster in the entire history of SC2. | ||
MLG_Lee
279 Posts
Monetizing in this context means serving ads. | ||
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rave[wcr]
United States1166 Posts
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Obaten
United States730 Posts
On July 31 2011 07:33 MLG_Lee wrote: Folks, no one said we were going to "sell replays to casters"--we said we would work with casters we trust and like to produce VoDs. Monetizing in this context means serving ads. People need to stop freaking out. On July 31 2011 07:35 rave[wcr] wrote: i like the E-Terrorism idea. go terrorize those MLG people until they release the replays! Stop that, this isn't 4chan. | ||
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On July 31 2011 07:28 TotalBiscuit wrote: Do you have any evidence what-so-ever that this is the case at all? It would certainly be the first time I've ever heard of replays being sold to a caster in the entire history of SC2. The evidence is the explanation given in the OP is patently ridiculous. Crucially: EDIT: And yes, I know you can find other ways to get to the same information. But I can't stop those. I can reduce risk on things I can control. Not taking those steps is negligent. This is more than ridiculous, its false, except when viewed entirely in a vacuum. If all that is necessary is bruteforcing 3 digits to acquire the relevant information, removing a separate method, even if its significantly easier, will do between nothing and almost nothing to the occurrence of whatever it is that Lee is worried about. More to the point: he can stop the other ways. He can hold the entire tournament from replays, he can provide new accounts for every game, or whatever. There do exist options, but he ignores them because they are obviously untenable for other reasons. Crucially, one of those reasons is that spectators would be pissed. The "e-terrorism" (rofl) mentioned above demonstrates that this is true in this case as well, while at the same time demonstrating the absurdity of Lee's primary argument. All of this argument applies only if replays provide no information that cannot be bruteforced - but if they do, we need proof of this. Its not sufficient to say "we wont release that because then people might do it" when you just removed the vector by which it can be done. | ||
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The Stapler
United States326 Posts
On July 31 2011 07:33 MLG_Lee wrote: Folks, no one said we were going to "sell replays to casters"--we said we would work with casters we trust and like to produce VoDs. Monetizing in this context means serving ads. took long enough to get that out of you you could have said that from the beginning and it wouldn't have been a problem....not having replays sucks, but most are more upset about the half-truths that were told and being given the runaround "no replays because we're turning them into VODs for premium content"......boom easy....not "omg ddos attacks....no wait... chat spam....no wait...what was the first thing i said?" still some people would be upset sure.....but please don't treat us as fools | ||
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