• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 15:53
CET 21:53
KST 05:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Rongyi Cup S3 - RO16 Preview3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational10SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)22Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7
StarCraft 2
General
PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey! Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued StarCraft 2 not at the Esports World Cup 2026 [Short Story] The Last GSL Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Fantasy's Q&A video BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread NASA and the Private Sector
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Esports Advertising Shap…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1451 users

No replays released from Anaheim - Page 38

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 36 37 38 39 40 50 Next All
rave[wcr]
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1166 Posts
July 30 2011 22:55 GMT
#741
all the things this MLG lee is saying is different. he must be a liar!
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 23:01:51
July 30 2011 22:59 GMT
#742
On July 31 2011 07:33 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, no one said we were going to "sell replays to casters"--we said we would work with casters we trust and like to produce VoDs.

Monetizing in this context means serving ads.


You would have done better imo to just say this in your initial release about your decision to not release replays.

"we're not going to be releasing replays because we need/want to make more money by only releasing them to casters we like and trust and putting ads on the vods."

more reasonable and believable than

"...replay packs contain data which can be used to DDOS the player- and the event."

Either way I don't like not having access to the replays but at least your latest response makes sense. Even though I don't like it I do understand that MLG is a business and needs to make money in order to stay in business.
I might be the minority on TL, but TL is the minority everywhere else.
TerrorLing
Profile Joined July 2011
2 Posts
July 30 2011 23:05 GMT
#743
For me as a fan it is just so sad no beeing able to watch the games of my favorite players.
Just imagine u are watching the soccer world cup and all the fans from all the countries want to cheer for their team. But then they say that they will only show one quarter final on tv and the fans from the remaining 6 teams are not able to watch their team perform. And after the world cup is over, they will show the other 3 quarter finals on tv. Who would ever want to watch the games a couple of weeks after the tournament?
Beeing able to watch the games, that could not be shown on the stream, at the same day was the only thing that made MLG the coolest event.
Just watching 10 games on the stream, even containing match ups I don't want to see is just not the MLG I used to like watching. Either show all the games on stream or release the replays.

SxYSpAz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1451 Posts
July 30 2011 23:06 GMT
#744
On July 31 2011 07:33 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, no one said we were going to "sell replays to casters"--we said we would work with casters we trust and like to produce VoDs.

Monetizing in this context means serving ads.

you're only responding to people with the dumbest comments. No one logical thinks you're selling replays to casters, however the only reason you've given for why you can't release them after the event is because these players use the same accounts.

I've read interviews where MLG has stated problems with spam and them asking blizzard for smurf accounts. why does that all of a sudden not work? and if that was for some reason invalidly posted in interviews, then why couldn't that be the solution?

But you probably won't respond to me because I'm a logical person asking reasonable questions.
KiF1rE
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States964 Posts
July 30 2011 23:15 GMT
#745
On July 31 2011 07:59 Joedaddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:33 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, no one said we were going to "sell replays to casters"--we said we would work with casters we trust and like to produce VoDs.

Monetizing in this context means serving ads.


You would have done better imo to just say this in your initial release about your decision to not release replays.

"we're not going to be releasing replays because we need/want to make more money by only releasing them to casters we like and trust and putting ads on the vods."

more reasonable and believable than

"...replay packs contain data which can be used to DDOS the player- and the event."

Either way I don't like not having access to the replays but at least your latest response makes sense. Even though I don't like it I do understand that MLG is a business and needs to make money in order to stay in business.


So basically the DDoS comments were a lie and all just a lame excuse to cover up the fact that MLG wanted to make more money than just saying they wanted more money to begin with =/

then we just go full circle again, if they said that they wanted to make more money outright. then we would cross into the other thread about the prize pool being terrible and sundance wanting to cut it if MLG doesnt get more subs... =/

The vods will probably be terrible and weeks after the event as well.. and only cover a select few games, and not cover every game from the open bracket.... If you cover every game im supportive of the idea, if not im not a fan of this idea at all...
Ryan307 :)
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States1289 Posts
July 30 2011 23:17 GMT
#746
Could you release replays from all the already broadcasted games then? That would make me very happy!
Dont let the action of factual things fracture your casual swing
TheWinks
Profile Joined July 2011
United States572 Posts
July 30 2011 23:17 GMT
#747
On July 31 2011 07:33 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, no one said we were going to "sell replays to casters"--we said we would work with casters we trust and like to produce VoDs.

Monetizing in this context means serving ads.

If this is the reason for not releasing replays, that's fine, but I think trying to hide behind a faux security issue is what's riling everyone up.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 23:23:51
July 30 2011 23:19 GMT
#748
don't blindly believe all that you hear...
it's usually about $$ anyways since it is a business like any other business, it's purpose is to generate revenue

Solution is in the OP anyways... busy+6channels and it's quoted from r1ch in the OP
Year 2500 Greater Israel ( Bahrain, Cyprus, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Gaza Strip, West Bank, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, Yemen )
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
July 30 2011 23:19 GMT
#749
Can they release replays like a week after the event is complete?
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
July 30 2011 23:39 GMT
#750
On July 31 2011 08:17 TheWinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:33 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, no one said we were going to "sell replays to casters"--we said we would work with casters we trust and like to produce VoDs.

Monetizing in this context means serving ads.

If this is the reason for not releasing replays, that's fine, but I think trying to hide behind a faux security issue is what's riling everyone up.

Except there really is a security issue and R1CH himself commented that it seems legit after talking to Lee privately. (page 22)

It's also been confirmed that Blizzard is aware of it and will fix it. MLG will revisit the issue after that's done to determine if they'll release replays in the future. So regardless there's no hiding behind a "faux security issue" because it's a legit concern therefor no reason for anyone to be riled up by it.
Taengoo ♥
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 23:44:39
July 30 2011 23:39 GMT
#751
On July 31 2011 08:17 TheWinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:33 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, no one said we were going to "sell replays to casters"--we said we would work with casters we trust and like to produce VoDs.

Monetizing in this context means serving ads.

If this is the reason for not releasing replays, that's fine, but I think trying to hide behind a faux security issue is what's riling everyone up.

Nothing about what he said discredits his original reason of the security issue; only distributing replays to trusted casters implies they won't fall into the hands of those who will abuse the information within them.

There is so much distrust and sensationalism in this thread. I could care less why they chose to withhold replays, but the people "100% obviously concluding" that everything Lee's said means it's simply MLG pocket cash need to get off their high horse.
rycho
Profile Joined July 2010
United States360 Posts
July 30 2011 23:46 GMT
#752
i think this was really poorly managed by mlg - first they post about how they're worried about ddos attacks, which anyone with any idea about anything knows is just categorically untrue. when called out on that, they change it to being worried about people spamming the players which:

a. is preventable by just going dnd, something that even stuff like tl opens require players to do
b. isn't affected by the release of replays anyway, despite lee's mysterious comments to the contrary

then they post about how they want to create ad revenue by releasing the replays only to certain casters to produce. personally i think this really sucks because replays were one of my favorite parts of mlg, but at least this reason makes a little bit of sense. next time just say this straight up, guys.
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
July 30 2011 23:50 GMT
#753
On July 30 2011 08:56 R1CH wrote:
Lee has given me his reasoning in private, but I don't have enough information to know if it's technically valid or not. Erring on absolute caution, I can see why they don't want to release replays during the event.


How about releasing them after the event? Does erring on absolute caution apply after the event as well?

Nice to have your input and thoughts on this. Thanks.
I might be the minority on TL, but TL is the minority everywhere else.
-KarakStarcraft-
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
July 30 2011 23:53 GMT
#754
Can you release the replays after the VODs are posted?
Sega92
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States467 Posts
July 30 2011 23:54 GMT
#755
well thats all fine...if the vods are put up I mean I don't need a replay to get a build i can infer timings on a vod...but here's the question, will there be vods?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 30 2011 23:56 GMT
#756
On July 31 2011 07:48 The Stapler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:33 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, no one said we were going to "sell replays to casters"--we said we would work with casters we trust and like to produce VoDs.

Monetizing in this context means serving ads.



took long enough to get that out of you

you could have said that from the beginning and it wouldn't have been a problem....not having replays sucks, but most are more upset about the half-truths that were told and being given the runaround

"no replays because we're turning them into VODs for premium content"......boom easy....not "omg ddos attacks....no wait... chat spam....no wait...what was the first thing i said?"

still some people would be upset sure.....but please don't treat us as fools





When I read the OP, I thought it was quite clear that they were handing it over to popular casters without any fee. Didn't really see how someone could misinterpret that. I guess a lot of people have to be crystal clear, heh.
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
July 31 2011 00:00 GMT
#757
if they release all of the good matches like all of the pool play ones on vods, that would be good enough, like dreamhack on day9's channel
The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff.
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
July 31 2011 00:03 GMT
#758
On July 31 2011 08:46 rycho wrote:
i think this was really poorly managed by mlg - first they post about how they're worried about ddos attacks, which anyone with any idea about anything knows is just categorically untrue. when called out on that, they change it to being worried about people spamming the players which:

a. is preventable by just going dnd, something that even stuff like tl opens require players to do
b. isn't affected by the release of replays anyway, despite lee's mysterious comments to the contrary

then they post about how they want to create ad revenue by releasing the replays only to certain casters to produce. personally i think this really sucks because replays were one of my favorite parts of mlg, but at least this reason makes a little bit of sense. next time just say this straight up, guys.

Spamming players is like a ddos attack. How else would you describe it? There is no dnd. only busy. Most players arent even aware of 6 channels and busy so enforcing it the day before mlg would be impossible. Ninja rule changes that can actually cost players with dqs is alot worse than just breaking a promise with viewers. That way mlg can say they attempted to preserve the spirit of competition after the mass dqs last event for noshows. MLG should of announced this earlier but whatever. What is done is done and mlg remains THE event to watch.
TheWinks
Profile Joined July 2011
United States572 Posts
July 31 2011 00:05 GMT
#759
On July 31 2011 08:39 xBillehx wrote:Except there really is a security issue and R1CH himself commented that it seems legit after talking to Lee privately. (page 22)

It's also been confirmed that Blizzard is aware of it and will fix it. MLG will revisit the issue after that's done to determine if they'll release replays in the future. So regardless there's no hiding behind a "faux security issue" because it's a legit concern therefor no reason for anyone to be riled up by it.

R1CH said:

"Lee has given me his reasoning in private, but I don't have enough information to know if it's technically valid or not. Erring on absolute caution, I can see why they don't want to release replays during the event."

The reasoning is chat spam (or as MLG Lee called it 'DDOS'). MLG even made a highlight reel of chat spam and it continues to today, so it's obvious that not releasing the replays has had 0 impact on it. So even if there is some way to extract character codes through a B.Net loophole it has had 0 actual impact on prevention. (Also, it's an exploit that no one has actually discovered for a year except a MLG admin? Seems unlikely) I mean, there's all sorts of other details too, including that MLG has already released literally hundreds of replays in the past and that cannot be undone.
bucckevin
Profile Joined April 2011
858 Posts
July 31 2011 00:07 GMT
#760
I'm very late to the party but this is just MLG's lame attempt to sell more VOD passes.

Replays > VODS.
Prev 1 36 37 38 39 40 50 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
AI Arena Tournament
20:00
Swiss - Round 3
Laughngamez YouTube
BSL 21
15:00
N-Korea Champ Playoff Day 1/2
Dewalt vs BonythLIVE!
Mihu vs TBD
QiaoGege vs TBD
ZZZero.O397
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nathanias 38
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 391
Shuttle 207
sas.Sziky 14
Last 0
Dota 2
Dendi671
LuMiX2
Counter-Strike
fl0m2284
minikerr1
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox986
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu514
Khaldor258
Other Games
summit1g6264
Grubby2116
FrodaN1705
RotterdaM232
Harstem174
QueenE147
febbydoto16
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV1439
gamesdonequick1302
BasetradeTV53
StarCraft 2
angryscii 41
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 6
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH242
• davetesta73
• printf 42
• HeavenSC 23
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 25
• Pr0nogo 11
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV458
League of Legends
• Jankos2346
• TFBlade1149
Other Games
• imaqtpie2430
• Shiphtur270
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 7m
Replay Cast
12h 7m
RongYI Cup
14h 7m
Maru vs Cyan
Solar vs Krystianer
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
15h 7m
BSL 21
18h 7m
Replay Cast
1d 3h
Wardi Open
1d 17h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 20h
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W5
OSC Championship Season 13
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3
Tektek Cup #1
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025

Upcoming

Acropolis #4 - TS4
Escore Tournament S1: W6
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.