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GWBuffalo
United States234 Posts
On July 31 2011 04:13 Archontas wrote: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html Replays are owned by Blizzard, and modifying them is a violation of TOS. MLG_Lee is completely correct. Good catch. I was looking at the end user licence agreement, which didn't have this. | ||
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CurLy[]
United States759 Posts
GSL, NASL has anything else released replays? I'm surprised MLG ever did in the first place. Give a kid a lollipop and take it away they will cry I guess though =/ | ||
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Neverplay
Austria532 Posts
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GWBuffalo
United States234 Posts
On July 31 2011 04:19 CurLy[] wrote: Yeah it sucks, theres some korean replays I wanted to steal but chill the fuck out guys. GSL, NASL has anything else released replays? I'm surprised MLG ever did in the first place. Give a kid a lollipop and take it away they will cry I guess though =/ GSL and NASL never gave bizarre reasons. Even if MLG's esoteric reasons are actually true, they would have been much better off to say "We want to control the rights to all our content, so we will no longer be releasing replays. Sorry." It's just basic PR. Give the public a thread, and they will unravel the sweater. | ||
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Toxi78
966 Posts
On July 30 2011 07:46 MLG_Lee wrote: A couple points of clarification: 1) Releasing replays exposes the event to risk that we're not comfortable with. Happy to debate the level of relative risk, but it's there. If I can remove ANY risk from the event, I'm going to. Do any of you really think I or anyone else at MLG want to repeat Dallas? 2) This has nothing to do with GSL or Korean players wanting to be protected on the replays. That was a point of discussion and all LXP players understand that MLG has the right to release the replays anytime we want to. 3) Modifying replay files (not reading them) is a violation of Blizzard's ToS. I maybe could get permission to do it, but there's a lot of legal issues tied up in that. We already know how to do it. But we'd have to check them all before releasing them. 4) The issues around this are not just technical, they're also rules based. Yes, we could require in the rules that every player sets busy (already the case) and opens six chats. But then what do you do if someone forgets and lags? Is it fair to allow a restart? or should we call them on a technical? We don't make these decisions lightly. 5) Releasing the replays to casters that we work with and trust is the least risky way to get SOME of this content out. I know it's not everything that everyone wants. At the end of the day though, we can fund events because we can monetize content. Keep in mind that we lose a tremendous amount of money every event. Our productions are not cheap. Sat trucks alone are a solid six figure number. 6) Not going to discuss in a public forum how you can get to the chat name. That's like teaching people how to break your own event ;p R1CH, love to chat with you about it some offline/inpriv. This step is being taken to protect the operations of the event. Replays are not going to be released at this event. When we have some more time to consider things and think through ALL the issues, we'll re-evaluate. But this is not a decision that we'll revisit here. We know how valuable this is to the community and we definitively listen to the community, I think we've proven that. I appreciate constructive criticism and the satire is worth a good laugh too. Bear in mind that at GotFrag (of which I was a founder and prez), we hosted .dem (replays for Counter-Strike) for every match we could find at every event. They're still available there. I know exactly how much we all love having access to the replays. And I know this is an unpopular decision with much of the community. But see above for the straight scoop on why we're doing this. EDIT: DDOS is a poor choice of words in our release. Chat spam on the game clients which lags the game is what was meant. EDIT: And yes, I know you can find other ways to get to the same information. But I can't stop those. I can reduce risk on things I can control. Not taking those steps is negligent. i am sorry, but this is not an answer. are you seriously telling me that if some guy wants to fuck up your tournament with bots and spamming players, he will rather download replays, figure out how to get the accounts out of them then spamm them, or he will just browse through the game listings of the players for 5 mins, make himself a friendlist with all the guys at the tournament then start his business? you are basically trying to close chimney with your door open...considering the fact that there are no GM players, it's even easier to just add everyone... and more importantly you are making us all pay for the stupidity of a few, that you don't even prevent in the first place with your solution. if that was only a facade reason not to allow replays to be released, fine, now tell us the real reasons. you know, we know that santa doesn't exist, we aren't 3 years old, at least we could discuss the real reasons behind this. if you were sincere about the hacking thing, then i just proved you that it's inefficient, and wont solve anything, so please go back on your decision, it's not too late, you might even win some fans... | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On July 31 2011 04:19 Zergoaster wrote: Good catch. I was looking at the end user licence agreement, which didn't have this. MLG Lee is still incorrect. Blizzard wants to promote e-sports and they will support such things. This is obvious. You can't take a piece of paper (or digital document) as the truth ignoring everything else that is necessary to make it "illegal", Blizzard won't sue 100% guaranteed. If you are that worried, ask for permission, it's simple. | ||
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GWBuffalo
United States234 Posts
On July 31 2011 04:39 SDream wrote: MLG Lee is still incorrect. Blizzard wants to promote e-sports and they will support such things. This is obvious. You can't take a piece of paper (or digital document) as the truth ignoring everything else that is necessary to make it "illegal", Blizzard won't sue 100% guaranteed. If you are that worried, ask for permission, it's simple. I agree. But at least he's technically correct. | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On July 31 2011 04:16 N3rV[Green] wrote: Are people seriously pissed off about not getting replays? My god people DO complain about absolutely everything these days. I could care less whether the replays are released or not cause I don't take this game nearly that serious, and most of you guys shouldn't either. A lot of what I'm seeing here is "OMGWTFBBQ I CAN"T WATCH THE PRO REPLAYS AND COPY ALL THEIR TIMINGS AND BUILDS!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" Just play the game for fun, and learn shit yourself. The games are available in VOD form and live (at least a lot of the really good ones) and don't feel as though you as a random person watching a stream have any entitlement to have ultimate access to every single match played in the convention center. Don't tell other people how seriously they should take things. In your terms, I guess, your argument amounts to-- "IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME SO IT SHOULDN'T MATTER TO ANYONE ELSE EITHER LOLOL" Which is a very immature view and annoying to even read. The real reason that people are pissed about this isn't really that they took the replays away. It's that they tried to obscure their motives. MLG basically needs to sack up and be honest with us. It's one thing to rip on casters, stages, interviews and all that kind of shit. I think that's stupid. But if I'm being lied to I'm going to complain about it. | ||
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rave[wcr]
United States1166 Posts
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constantqt
176 Posts
On July 31 2011 04:16 N3rV[Green] wrote: Are people seriously pissed off about not getting replays? My god people DO complain about absolutely everything these days. I could care less whether the replays are released or not cause I don't take this game nearly that serious, and most of you guys shouldn't either. A lot of what I'm seeing here is "OMGWTFBBQ I CAN"T WATCH THE PRO REPLAYS AND COPY ALL THEIR TIMINGS AND BUILDS!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" Just play the game for fun, and learn shit yourself. The games are available in VOD form and live (at least a lot of the really good ones) and don't feel as though you as a random person watching a stream have any entitlement to have ultimate access to every single match played in the convention center. nobody cares about ur opinion, go back to consoles and your 12 y/o friends User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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SxYSpAz
United States1451 Posts
On July 31 2011 04:16 N3rV[Green] wrote: Are people seriously pissed off about not getting replays? My god people DO complain about absolutely everything these days. I could care less whether the replays are released or not cause I don't take this game nearly that serious, and most of you guys shouldn't either. A lot of what I'm seeing here is "OMGWTFBBQ I CAN"T WATCH THE PRO REPLAYS AND COPY ALL THEIR TIMINGS AND BUILDS!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" Just play the game for fun, and learn shit yourself. The games are available in VOD form and live (at least a lot of the really good ones) and don't feel as though you as a random person watching a stream have any entitlement to have ultimate access to every single match played in the convention center. It's quite surprising to me that you have over 1000 posts and don't understand how people can take this game that serious. also, as someone on TL, you should realize that people love this game because of how competitive it is. I have fun being competitive, so don't act like this isn't a big deal jsut cause you don't give a shit. | ||
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EliteReplay
Dominican Republic913 Posts
On July 31 2011 04:16 N3rV[Green] wrote: Are people seriously pissed off about not getting replays? My god people DO complain about absolutely everything these days. I could care less whether the replays are released or not cause I don't take this game nearly that serious, and most of you guys shouldn't either. A lot of what I'm seeing here is "OMGWTFBBQ I CAN"T WATCH THE PRO REPLAYS AND COPY ALL THEIR TIMINGS AND BUILDS!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" Just play the game for fun, and learn shit yourself. The games are available in VOD form and live (at least a lot of the really good ones) and don't feel as though you as a random person watching a stream have any entitlement to have ultimate access to every single match played in the convention center. lol man only one question: ARE U SERIOUS? | ||
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tl55555
31 Posts
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KnightwhoSaysNI
Canada60 Posts
Are people seriously pissed off about not getting replays? My god people DO complain about absolutely everything these days. I could care less whether the replays are released or not cause I don't take this game nearly that serious, and most of you guys shouldn't either. A lot of what I'm seeing here is "OMGWTFBBQ I CAN"T WATCH THE PRO REPLAYS AND COPY ALL THEIR TIMINGS AND BUILDS!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" Just play the game for fun, and learn shit yourself. The games are available in VOD form and live (at least a lot of the really good ones) and don't feel as though you as a random person watching a stream have any entitlement to have ultimate access to every single match played in the convention center. Why the hell would you need to shit on people who have the passion to actually learn and improve and watch the games and evolution of thier favourite players? If I got to to watch MVP play with KiwiKaki and see how the direction he was going in tvp, a matchup that he struggles with I would be ecstatic. Part of what made MLG so great was that you could always go back later and explore a side of the tournament you didnt get to see before. There are events that don't show you every single game, and there are TONS of them at MLG. Alot of QQ was because something that was offered before is no longer available and people arent satisfied with having it taken away from them. People are still spamming inane bullshit towards casters and players regardless of the replay release, so we do not agree with the decision behind restricting replay release. to everyone who is saying you're going to cancel your subs: why do you watch nasl or gsl if they don't offer their replays? GSL and NASL both offer VODS of ALL the games they play, something that mlg only does for the streamed games. NASL also offers replays of the qualifer and the open bracket tournament for download. | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
 (the reasons given, seem quite implausible) On the same note: i am slightly annoyed because MLG releasing their replays is partially why i thought the event was so amazing and different from the others. We already have NASL and GSL not releasing replays, so to grab some pro-replays from MLG always felt like christmas to me. So its a shame they announced it, and i really sincerely hope they reconsider. Another big part why i think replays are essential for MLG, is MLGs format. So many games go unnoticed now. I used to watch all the replays of previous MLGs of my favorite players even in lower brackets. However now i have the feeling 75% of the tournament goes past me without ever witnessing the games which is a damn shame. NASL and GSL at least cast all their games so we dont have to miss anything. ps. im a caster, ill cast the games, gimme replays + Show Spoiler + j/k, worth a shot right? | ||
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Wasteweiser
Canada522 Posts
On July 31 2011 04:16 N3rV[Green] wrote: Are people seriously pissed off about not getting replays? My god people DO complain about absolutely everything these days. I could care less whether the replays are released or not cause I don't take this game nearly that serious, and most of you guys shouldn't either. A lot of what I'm seeing here is "OMGWTFBBQ I CAN"T WATCH THE PRO REPLAYS AND COPY ALL THEIR TIMINGS AND BUILDS!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" Just play the game for fun, and learn shit yourself. The games are available in VOD form and live (at least a lot of the really good ones) and don't feel as though you as a random person watching a stream have any entitlement to have ultimate access to every single match played in the convention center. And your complaining about us complaining so you're kinda contradicting yourself there. | ||
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Butcherski
Poland446 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
On July 31 2011 05:49 Butcherski wrote: Mod edit This is 100% the wrong way to handle this. Please be more of a man than a child. | ||
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Frek
United States65 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:07 vaderseven wrote: This is 100% the wrong way to handle this. Please be more of a man than a child. It seems to me that MLG is the one acting like a child, deceiving and outright lying to the community in order to sell replays to casters. | ||
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