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On March 26 2012 20:26 Rinnegan5 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 20:09 karpo wrote:On March 26 2012 20:05 Rinnegan5 wrote:
Ppl are saying MKP isnt there yet because he hasnt won a GSL. But imho MLG is much harder to win due to the tournament structure. At GSL you get a week to prepare for just a few matches and at MLG you dont even know who you are gonna play the next half hour in some cases. I rate ppl alot higher who have to depend on their creativity and on the fly play then ppl who win tournaments who get ages to prepare for single opponents(or maybe 2 or 3 in group play). Even though MVP is really good I think in the previous tournaments it has really shown that he has trouble with the amount stamina an MLG requires. The same goes for Nestea. Amazing in GSL but not so much in MLG style. MKP in this case has impressed me so much this MLG with his insanely good micro and marcro its clear that he isnt the same MKP from a few months back. Therefore I dare to say MKP is the best player overall at the moment! The difference is also that the GSL offers time to prepare, time to rest, and no jet lag before finals. It also doesn't provide a easy journey as long as a player stays in the winners bracket not does it have a extended series final. I could argue that playing against a fully rested and 100% prepared opponent each round is much harder than running through a few players in a row. At least that's how most team sports work and sports like MMA, you prepare for a specific opponent that you study and try to solve (Barcelona vs Real Madrid or Shogun vs Machida). There's pros and cons to both tournament formats but there's less external factors to winning a GSL compared to a MLG, especially for koreans. Yes ofcourse its harder to play against a fully rested opponent. But coming fully prepared for the opponent's tactics weighs in alot bigger I think and therefore making it easier on them. Also the fact that you CAN be fully rested makes it easier on players. Like I said I rate creativity and on the fly play and the amount of stamina an MLG takes alot higher then the GSL style tournament. Its a personal preference.
In an other hand, there are much more top tier players in the GSL than in MLG so...you are better rest, better prepare but you have to account for stronger opponent. GSL is, for me, the hardest to win because MLG is much more like ladder or online cup for Koreans, a bunch of unknown you have to play safe and scout perfectly to win against and some rounds against strong opponents. GSL is strong opponents all along. Personal preference as well.
MVP is my choice. His style is perfect, i love it, he is a hard worker, he's smarter than many other players and he adds a lot of diversity in his boX. Even when he's slumping because of his wrist he goes farther than most of the others and when he comes back, he destroys just about everything.
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MKP is an amazingly talented player, however it feels as if sometimes he's a bit childish in his plays. Like the final game of the GSL finals versus NesTea. He only gets better and better all the time however. I miss MVP. Hopefully he can get back on track soon.
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There is no king.
I'd say its a army race between MKP and MMA followed closely by Polt but none of them are too ahead to be considered the king.
On March 26 2012 20:00 Alasper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 19:29 Aunvilgod wrote:On March 26 2012 19:19 Alasper wrote:
If by hottest terran on the planet you mean he wins two foreign tournaments but fails to perform well in the GSL, then sure. MMA has the results in both korean and foreign tournaments to back up HIS throne. What does MMA have? A GSL? 6 Months ago? A couple cheese-wins vs. Mvp? Thats not enough buddy. MMA didn´t even get as far as Mvp in November when Mvp started to slump. The only King of Terran was Mvp, and with Mvp being injured and slumping there is no king at the moment. If you aren't going to bring up MMA's latest achievments, then argueing with you is worthless since you can't admit that his results are simply better. Also, cheese wins against mvp? So what you're saying is that MKP's 1st place in the previous winter arena doesn't count? Since you know, he bunker cheesed every game. MMA's achievments are much more impressive then MKP's, sorry. I'll even go ahead and say that without the wrist injury, MVP would probably still be the dominant terran, with MMA and jjakji after him. Stop trying to compare MKP to them. Also agree with the guy who posted before about people always picking one person every month and saying they are the best. It gets old.
2 rax bunker pressure is way different than 2 rax bunker cheese(which he did one on metalopolis).
Sorry but discussing the best terran in the world without even knowing the builds is just silly.
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Without a GSL MKP cant be number 1, has to be MMA while MVP still slightly slumping, if MKP Wins Season2 then maybe he can be considered
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On March 26 2012 20:40 Enearde wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 20:26 Rinnegan5 wrote:On March 26 2012 20:09 karpo wrote:On March 26 2012 20:05 Rinnegan5 wrote:
Ppl are saying MKP isnt there yet because he hasnt won a GSL. But imho MLG is much harder to win due to the tournament structure. At GSL you get a week to prepare for just a few matches and at MLG you dont even know who you are gonna play the next half hour in some cases. I rate ppl alot higher who have to depend on their creativity and on the fly play then ppl who win tournaments who get ages to prepare for single opponents(or maybe 2 or 3 in group play). Even though MVP is really good I think in the previous tournaments it has really shown that he has trouble with the amount stamina an MLG requires. The same goes for Nestea. Amazing in GSL but not so much in MLG style. MKP in this case has impressed me so much this MLG with his insanely good micro and marcro its clear that he isnt the same MKP from a few months back. Therefore I dare to say MKP is the best player overall at the moment! The difference is also that the GSL offers time to prepare, time to rest, and no jet lag before finals. It also doesn't provide a easy journey as long as a player stays in the winners bracket not does it have a extended series final. I could argue that playing against a fully rested and 100% prepared opponent each round is much harder than running through a few players in a row. At least that's how most team sports work and sports like MMA, you prepare for a specific opponent that you study and try to solve (Barcelona vs Real Madrid or Shogun vs Machida). There's pros and cons to both tournament formats but there's less external factors to winning a GSL compared to a MLG, especially for koreans. Yes ofcourse its harder to play against a fully rested opponent. But coming fully prepared for the opponent's tactics weighs in alot bigger I think and therefore making it easier on them. Also the fact that you CAN be fully rested makes it easier on players. Like I said I rate creativity and on the fly play and the amount of stamina an MLG takes alot higher then the GSL style tournament. Its a personal preference. In an other hand, there are much more top tier players in the GSL than in MLG so...you are better rest, better prepare but you have to account for stronger opponent. GSL is, for me, the hardest to win because MLG is much more like ladder or online cup for Koreans, a bunch of unknown you have to play safe and scout perfectly to win against and some rounds against strong opponents. GSL is strong opponents all along. Personal preference as well. MVP is my choice. His style is perfect, i love it, he is a hard worker, he's smarter than many other players and he adds a lot of diversity in his boX. Even when he's slumping because of his wrist he goes farther than most of the others and when he comes back, he destroys just about everything.
Yeah in terms of opponents GSL is slightly harder even though MLG has alot of top tier koreans these days. Like you I also hope MVP comes back. He is one of my favorite players and he makes me want to watch terrans, just like MKP .
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On March 26 2012 20:47 ydeer1993 wrote:
Without a GSL MKP cant be number 1, has to be MMA while MVP still slightly slumping, if MKP Wins Season2 then maybe he can be considered
why can't it be jjakji if that's your justification?
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On March 26 2012 19:29 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 19:19 Alasper wrote:
If by hottest terran on the planet you mean he wins two foreign tournaments but fails to perform well in the GSL, then sure. MMA has the results in both korean and foreign tournaments to back up HIS throne. What does MMA have? A GSL? 6 Months ago? A couple cheese-wins vs. Mvp? Thats not enough buddy. MMA didn´t even get as far as Mvp in November when Mvp started to slump. The only King of Terran was Mvp, and with Mvp being injured and slumping there is no king at the moment. If MKP wins GSL Season 2 I might say MKP is the king, but not yet. Finally I would like to make the point that ONLY the GSL, GSTL and old-school format MLGs with MANY koreans count. IEM, IPL, Dreamhack and that good stuff are nice but don´t mean shit.
MMA has a GSL title and the Blizzard Cup title. If you count MVP's world championship title as a GSL title, as most do, then you may as well count the Blizzard cup as well. That makes 2 championships to MVP's 3. And so what if MVP got one round farther in November? MMA went one round farther in Season 1. Big deal.
And MMA hasn't really been in a slump. He won IEM Kiev and got 3rd in the IEM World Championship this year. He had one bad match in the GSL when he was sick enough to be wearing a mask. Now that seasons are like 2 and a half months long it seems like he's been slumping for a while, but once again, that was only one match. MVP dropped out in the RO32 how many times while still being king?
Also, please watch the matches. MMA is known to incorporate cheese, very unique and innovative cheese lots of the time, but also play a solid macro game. MVP plays almost exclusively macro, but there's value in being able to play multiple styles.
I would say MMA is #1 right now and MKP #2. You just can't be #1 without a GSL title. Here's hoping MKP takes season 2. If he goes up against MMA sometime along the way though, I'll be forced to root for MMA.
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MVP's on a slump so I had to pick MKP
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Seeing MKP twice have sick micro/macro/multitask I'm leaning towards him. Question seems to be about current king not who did well in the past. MMA + MVP have fallen off. Polt could be a good 2nd choice though.
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On March 26 2012 20:00 Alasper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 19:29 Aunvilgod wrote:On March 26 2012 19:19 Alasper wrote:
If by hottest terran on the planet you mean he wins two foreign tournaments but fails to perform well in the GSL, then sure. MMA has the results in both korean and foreign tournaments to back up HIS throne. What does MMA have? A GSL? 6 Months ago? A couple cheese-wins vs. Mvp? Thats not enough buddy. MMA didn´t even get as far as Mvp in November when Mvp started to slump. The only King of Terran was Mvp, and with Mvp being injured and slumping there is no king at the moment. If you aren't going to bring up MMA's latest achievments, then argueing with you is worthless since you can't admit that his results are simply better. Also, cheese wins against mvp? So what you're saying is that MKP's 1st place in the previous winter arena doesn't count? Since you know, he bunker cheesed every game. MMA's achievments are much more impressive then MKP's, sorry. I'll even go ahead and say that without the wrist injury, MVP would probably still be the dominant terran, with MMA and jjakji after him. Stop trying to compare MKP to them. Also agree with the guy who posted before about people always picking one person every month and saying they are the best. It gets old.
MMAs achievements in the last half year:
- Blizzard Cup
- GSL October
The foreign tournaments he entered where some foreigner-slaughterfests, that is no achievement. Those two listed wins are by FAR not enough to make you the "king of terran".
Nope, Arena does not count for my personal opinion. Arena had no group stages whatsoever and was pretty much BO3 only. MKP deserved the win, but in Arena a player could just get lucky and avoid 90% of the real competition. Also, Bunkers are no cheese. They´re standard. As a zerg you should expect bunkers from MKP.
On March 26 2012 20:00 Alasper wrote:Also agree with the guy who posted before about people always picking one person every month and saying they are the best. It gets old.
What. Some random, nonsense statement without reason. And why does it get old? BW power ranks are a tradition and always exciting.
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On March 26 2012 21:01 NoobSkills wrote:
Seeing MKP twice have sick micro/macro/multitask I'm leaning towards him. Question seems to be about current king not who did well in the past. MMA + MVP have fallen off. Polt could be a good 2nd choice though.
MMA hasn't fallen off. Just because he hasn't won a tournament within the past week, doesn't mean he's absent or slumping.
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MVP is the terran king and he will smash all these lousy contenders soon enough.
You will see.
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FELLOW TERRANS!
WHERE DOES YOUR LOYALTY LIE? IF THERE IS A CIVIL WAR TOMMORROW WHO WOULD YOU SUPPORT!?
Poll: Where does your loyalty lie?The Game Genie Terran (MVP) (26) 36% The King of Marines (MKP) (22) 30% The Son of the Emperor (MMA) (16) 22% The Emperor (Boxer) (5) 7% The Master of Marauders (Polt) (4) 5% 73 total votes Your vote: Where does your loyalty lie? (Vote): The Game Genie Terran (MVP)
(Vote): The Emperor (Boxer)
(Vote): The Son of the Emperor (MMA)
(Vote): The King of Marines (MKP)
(Vote): The Master of Marauders (Polt)
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Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
Did this thread seriously get bumped?........ OMFG.......
OP is really old. Would've been much better to create a new one instead
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So hard to choose, MKP for TvP, MVP for TvT and MMA for TvZ. probably MMA since zergs always drive me insane and I like to watch them burn!
Anyway 3 letter terrans fighting!
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The 3 letter Terrans are all equal in skill imo.
But if I had to choose, it would be the son of the emperor, MMA. He's just a godlike player and has been doing so good recently. He would've easily taken GSL Code S season 1 2012 if he hadnt been so sick and been eliminated by alive
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MVP isn't in a slump. He has serious CTS in both wrists. I doubt he'll ever come back to where he was.
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MKP admitted in the interview after the finals at MLG that he didn't think he could beat DRG in straight up games playing standard, and that he did tricky and weird strategies on purpose because DRG is better than he is.
MKP is good, he wins, but I don't think you can call him the top terran. MMA and Jjakji are both better IMO.
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Mvp is the best player but I'm a fan of mkp
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