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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 10:15:14
March 26 2012 10:15 GMT
#681
On March 26 2012 19:13 Alasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 18:01 acrimoneyius wrote:
MMA could take the crown if he wins another GSL imo. Otherwise, the throne is empty due to MVP's wrist problems.


MMA took the crown a long time ago pal.


Nah. Throne is still empty.

MKP is the hottest Terran on the planet, but needs a GSL win to actually step up to fill the void left by MVP's fall.
Alasper
Profile Joined June 2011
179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 10:26:56
March 26 2012 10:19 GMT
#682
If by hottest terran on the planet you mean he wins two foreign tournaments but fails to perform well in the GSL, then sure. MMA has the results in both korean and foreign tournaments to back up HIS throne. Don't get me wrong MKP is good, really good. But he needs to prove he can be the best in the GSL before he can hold a candle to the accomplishments of MMA or MVP.
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Veclada
Profile Joined September 2010
742 Posts
March 26 2012 10:20 GMT
#683
MKP
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EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
March 26 2012 10:27 GMT
#684
i think MKP and MMA are above MVP now
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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 10:30:27
March 26 2012 10:29 GMT
#685
On March 26 2012 19:19 Alasper wrote:
If by hottest terran on the planet you mean he wins two foreign tournaments but fails to perform well in the GSL, then sure. MMA has the results in both korean and foreign tournaments to back up HIS throne.


What does MMA have? A GSL? 6 Months ago? A couple cheese-wins vs. Mvp? Thats not enough buddy. MMA didn´t even get as far as Mvp in November when Mvp started to slump.
The only King of Terran was Mvp, and with Mvp being injured and slumping there is no king at the moment.

If MKP wins GSL Season 2 I might say MKP is the king, but not yet.

Finally I would like to make the point that ONLY the GSL, GSTL and old-school format MLGs with MANY koreans count. IEM, IPL, Dreamhack and that good stuff are nice but don´t mean shit.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 26 2012 10:29 GMT
#686
On March 26 2012 19:15 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 19:13 Alasper wrote:
On March 26 2012 18:01 acrimoneyius wrote:
MMA could take the crown if he wins another GSL imo. Otherwise, the throne is empty due to MVP's wrist problems.


MMA took the crown a long time ago pal.


Nah. Throne is still empty.

MKP is the hottest Terran on the planet, but needs a GSL win to actually step up to fill the void left by MVP's fall.

Agreed.
MKP is the strongest pretender atm. What's only missing is a GSL title. But man was he godly at that last MLG oO.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
March 26 2012 10:30 GMT
#687
I think it will depend on how the GSL turns out, but I think MMA and MKP like many people say are strong contenders.
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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3691 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 10:32:12
March 26 2012 10:31 GMT
#688
Can we just stop picking some other random player every other month to be "the best in the world" or "the best of race x".
MKP still hasn't done well in gsl in about a year. MVP has been slacking recently even though he was by far the most successful player last year. MMA also hasn't done shit this year, but at the end of last year he looked incredibly good. Also alive is better at tvt then any of the three. If any terran actually dominates for a long period of time for once, we can start talking about a true k ing.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 10:35:17
March 26 2012 10:32 GMT
#689
On March 26 2012 19:29 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 19:15 Asha` wrote:
On March 26 2012 19:13 Alasper wrote:
On March 26 2012 18:01 acrimoneyius wrote:
MMA could take the crown if he wins another GSL imo. Otherwise, the throne is empty due to MVP's wrist problems.


MMA took the crown a long time ago pal.


Nah. Throne is still empty.

MKP is the hottest Terran on the planet, but needs a GSL win to actually step up to fill the void left by MVP's fall.

Agreed.
MKP is the strongest pretender atm. What's only missing is a GSL title. But man was he godly at that last MLG oO.


If MKP plays to his best ability (= not fuckin around at his enemys base because he has so much fun) I don´t see anyone in a position to stop him.
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THM
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria1131 Posts
March 26 2012 10:34 GMT
#690
I think Foxer is the strongest terran right now. Hopefully he has a bit more luck in the GSL so he can finally get the title he deserves.
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
March 26 2012 10:37 GMT
#691
wtf?

Patches affect these players differently. MVP relied much more on ghosts than MMA. You see who doesn't have nearly as good TvZ now, looking vulnerable to sniper... Wait a second, I think he had a bad day.

You know what, I haven't actually seen an MVP game in forever. How am I judging this.

Give it half a year.
KAmaKAsa
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland210 Posts
March 26 2012 10:54 GMT
#692
mvp hasnt won a tournament in like 3 months so he must be in a slump.... he'll probs win this gsl and iron squid as a come back or something... also didnt he have some wrist problems? IMO MKP and MMA havent really proven them selves enough MKP hasnt been doing too well in GSL lately, did play great at winter championship though and arena but then again thats not code S. Give it some time and it will become clear who is the best T
KAmaKAsa
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland210 Posts
March 26 2012 10:55 GMT
#693
On March 26 2012 19:31 Lorch wrote:
Can we just stop picking some other random player every other month to be "the best in the world" or "the best of race x".
MKP still hasn't done well in gsl in about a year. MVP has been slacking recently even though he was by far the most successful player last year. MMA also hasn't done shit this year, but at the end of last year he looked incredibly good. Also alive is better at tvt then any of the three. If any terran actually dominates for a long period of time for once, we can start talking about a true k ing.



This shit about alive being the best terran ever is just artosis putting it into everyones head, not nearly enough results to support any of that
Alasper
Profile Joined June 2011
179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 11:05:32
March 26 2012 11:00 GMT
#694
On March 26 2012 19:29 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 19:19 Alasper wrote:
If by hottest terran on the planet you mean he wins two foreign tournaments but fails to perform well in the GSL, then sure. MMA has the results in both korean and foreign tournaments to back up HIS throne.


What does MMA have? A GSL? 6 Months ago? A couple cheese-wins vs. Mvp? Thats not enough buddy. MMA didn´t even get as far as Mvp in November when Mvp started to slump.
The only King of Terran was Mvp, and with Mvp being injured and slumping there is no king at the moment.



If you aren't going to bring up MMA's latest achievments, then argueing with you is worthless since you can't admit that his results are simply better. Also, cheese wins against mvp? So what you're saying is that MKP's 1st place in the previous winter arena doesn't count? Since you know, he bunker cheesed every game. MMA's achievments are much more impressive then MKP's, sorry. I'll even go ahead and say that without the wrist injury, MVP would probably still be the dominant terran, with MMA and jjakji after him. Stop trying to compare MKP to them.


Also agree with the guy who posted before about people always picking one person every month and saying they are the best. It gets old.
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InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
March 26 2012 11:02 GMT
#695
Just looking at results Mvp DEMOLISHED Sc2 in 2011, although MMA and MKP have had good wins recently, even with Mvp's slump (which he is in, unquestionably, at the moment), Mvp is still the king in my books, maybe if he still is showing no results in 2 months time I'll reconsider, but remember, this is the player that was so dominant in 2011 that he qualified 3 times for the Blizzard cup, and in turn qualified MMA to be able to win it.
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Rinnegan5
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands319 Posts
March 26 2012 11:05 GMT
#696
Ppl are saying MKP isnt there yet because he hasnt won a GSL. But imho MLG is much harder to win due to the tournament structure. At GSL you get a week to prepare for just a few matches and at MLG you dont even know who you are gonna play the next half hour in some cases. I rate ppl alot higher who have to depend on their creativity and on the fly play then ppl who win tournaments who get ages to prepare for single opponents(or maybe 2 or 3 in group play). Even though MVP is really good I think in the previous tournaments it has really shown that he has trouble with the amount stamina an MLG requires. The same goes for Nestea. Amazing in GSL but not so much in MLG style. MKP in this case has impressed me so much this MLG with his insanely good micro and marcro its clear that he isnt the same MKP from a few months back. Therefore I dare to say MKP is the best player overall at the moment!
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
March 26 2012 11:09 GMT
#697
I don't think there is a Terran King at the moment. There are lots of good Terrans out there but MKP is definitely one of the top at the moment.
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karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 11:21:26
March 26 2012 11:09 GMT
#698
On March 26 2012 20:05 Rinnegan5 wrote:
Ppl are saying MKP isnt there yet because he hasnt won a GSL. But imho MLG is much harder to win due to the tournament structure. At GSL you get a week to prepare for just a few matches and at MLG you dont even know who you are gonna play the next half hour in some cases. I rate ppl alot higher who have to depend on their creativity and on the fly play then ppl who win tournaments who get ages to prepare for single opponents(or maybe 2 or 3 in group play). Even though MVP is really good I think in the previous tournaments it has really shown that he has trouble with the amount stamina an MLG requires. The same goes for Nestea. Amazing in GSL but not so much in MLG style. MKP in this case has impressed me so much this MLG with his insanely good micro and marcro its clear that he isnt the same MKP from a few months back. Therefore I dare to say MKP is the best player overall at the moment!


The difference is also that the GSL offers time to prepare, time to rest, and no jet lag before finals. It also doesn't provide a easy journey as long as a player stays in the winners bracket not does it have a extended series final. I could argue that playing against a fully rested and 100% prepared opponent each round is much harder than running through a few players in a row. At least that's how most team sports work and sports like MMA, you prepare for a specific opponent that you study and try to solve (Barcelona vs Real Madrid or Shogun vs Machida).

There's pros and cons to both tournament formats but there's less external factors to winning a GSL compared to a MLG, especially for koreans.
Rinnegan5
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands319 Posts
March 26 2012 11:26 GMT
#699
On March 26 2012 20:09 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 20:05 Rinnegan5 wrote:
Ppl are saying MKP isnt there yet because he hasnt won a GSL. But imho MLG is much harder to win due to the tournament structure. At GSL you get a week to prepare for just a few matches and at MLG you dont even know who you are gonna play the next half hour in some cases. I rate ppl alot higher who have to depend on their creativity and on the fly play then ppl who win tournaments who get ages to prepare for single opponents(or maybe 2 or 3 in group play). Even though MVP is really good I think in the previous tournaments it has really shown that he has trouble with the amount stamina an MLG requires. The same goes for Nestea. Amazing in GSL but not so much in MLG style. MKP in this case has impressed me so much this MLG with his insanely good micro and marcro its clear that he isnt the same MKP from a few months back. Therefore I dare to say MKP is the best player overall at the moment!


The difference is also that the GSL offers time to prepare, time to rest, and no jet lag before finals. It also doesn't provide a easy journey as long as a player stays in the winners bracket not does it have a extended series final. I could argue that playing against a fully rested and 100% prepared opponent each round is much harder than running through a few players in a row. At least that's how most team sports work and sports like MMA, you prepare for a specific opponent that you study and try to solve (Barcelona vs Real Madrid or Shogun vs Machida).

There's pros and cons to both tournament formats but there's less external factors to winning a GSL compared to a MLG, especially for koreans.


Yes ofcourse its harder to play against a fully rested opponent. But coming fully prepared for the opponent's tactics weighs in alot bigger I think and therefore making it easier on them. Also the fact that you CAN be fully rested makes it easier on players. Like I said I rate creativity and on the fly play and the amount of stamina an MLG takes alot higher then the GSL style tournament. Its a personal preference.
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 11:36:10
March 26 2012 11:34 GMT
#700
On March 26 2012 20:26 Rinnegan5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 20:09 karpo wrote:
On March 26 2012 20:05 Rinnegan5 wrote:
Ppl are saying MKP isnt there yet because he hasnt won a GSL. But imho MLG is much harder to win due to the tournament structure. At GSL you get a week to prepare for just a few matches and at MLG you dont even know who you are gonna play the next half hour in some cases. I rate ppl alot higher who have to depend on their creativity and on the fly play then ppl who win tournaments who get ages to prepare for single opponents(or maybe 2 or 3 in group play). Even though MVP is really good I think in the previous tournaments it has really shown that he has trouble with the amount stamina an MLG requires. The same goes for Nestea. Amazing in GSL but not so much in MLG style. MKP in this case has impressed me so much this MLG with his insanely good micro and marcro its clear that he isnt the same MKP from a few months back. Therefore I dare to say MKP is the best player overall at the moment!


The difference is also that the GSL offers time to prepare, time to rest, and no jet lag before finals. It also doesn't provide a easy journey as long as a player stays in the winners bracket not does it have a extended series final. I could argue that playing against a fully rested and 100% prepared opponent each round is much harder than running through a few players in a row. At least that's how most team sports work and sports like MMA, you prepare for a specific opponent that you study and try to solve (Barcelona vs Real Madrid or Shogun vs Machida).

There's pros and cons to both tournament formats but there's less external factors to winning a GSL compared to a MLG, especially for koreans.


Yes ofcourse its harder to play against a fully rested opponent. But coming fully prepared for the opponent's tactics weighs in alot bigger I think and therefore making it easier on them. Also the fact that you CAN be fully rested makes it easier on players. Like I said I rate creativity and on the fly play and the amount of stamina an MLG takes alot higher then the GSL style tournament. Its a personal preference.


Yeah it's personal perference. I just felt you kinda downplayed the tough part of the system used in the GSL and many other sports. If you prefer stamina and powering through a weekend of games that's your opinion, i personally don't think MVP and Nestea lack the stamina for the actual games. It's more the fact that it seemed like they had trouble adjusting to jet lag, food, and other external factors. That's something i dislike about weekend tournaments, people rate players on their play that weekend yet there's so much that can affect your play when everything's crammed together like that.
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